[Archived] Paul Ince

[Mr. E]

How can you say he's being made a scapegoat? he had plenty of opportunity during the summer to bring a right winger in but did sweet FA, just about everyone on this message board knew that's what we needed and were waiting for it to happen right up until the transfer deadline. Sadly Ince didn't seem to realise and appeared to just want to fill the team with central midfielders and Robbie bloody Fowler. We now we have a team with no balance, a defence playing with no confidence with defensive coach who lives in London and works a couple of sessions a week.

I could go on and on, but it's all been said before....

Ince did try to find a replacement, but guess what - class players don't grow on trees. When almost all other prem teams offer bigger contracts, we cannot lure anyone of Bentley's class. Ince does not have a magic wand. And besides - Emerton has actually been one of the few pleasant surprises so far this season.

The team also had absolutely 0 balance with Hughes as well. We had two things going for us - Friedel saving the shambles we had for a defense game after game, and Bentley being our one and only attacking force, creating the chances for Santa Cruz. We lost Friedel and Bentley, Santa Cruz's chances dried up, and these are the results. If we still had Hughes in charge but lost Friedel and Bentley, we would be in the same position.

The thing is - if Ince was doing better than he is right now, he would be overachieving, because this is our current reality. These are our abilities and its time some people woke up from the fairytale of last season. We were a two-man team, players who we were extremely fortunate to have in the first place.

[Paul]

...... And 3 more games,and then another 3, and..................

You won't find any post from me suggesting Ince should have another 3 games. What I don't like is the mounting vilification of the manager, Williams, the board and trustees. It is reaching mass hysteria.

To pick just one example. The LT is being more supportive of the cub than usual, or so I'm told as I rarely read it, and this is seen as media manipulation by the club, probably Williams. The very same people who complain about this manipulation are equally happy to post link after link from tabloid papers connecting us with this or that bit of transfer news no matter how unlikely from.

I don't feel Ince has achieved anything, it's unlikely he will but I suspect he's here for the long term so we had better get used to it.

[Zulu]

I wouldn't want him to take any penalties though.

I reckon his missus could take them, by the look of her.

[Iceman]

right ince must go today, anybody who still thinks he should be given till the wigan game is stupid. people on here said give him 10 games then judge him,well he is well past that. ince made the mistake of not selecting an experienced backroom staff. he had to be loyal to his friends, his comments is that of a desperate man. jw is to blame for this mess, and you dont hear from him, are we now club for clueless idiots. i demand swift action from the board,and i demand answers from an on the run trying to cross the border JW. if the fans can start a no to allardyce on face book, then why not start a paul ince out one as well. we can moan all we want on here, but getting your voices heard inside and outside ewood is what needs to happen right now. you guys have my full support,even though i cant be there.

[thenodrog]

Devil's advocate mode once again:

Dunn's our best central midfielder, we haven't really seen Grella yet and it's not Ince's fault that St. Mark failed to replace Tugay season upon season upon season.

Sad to say Simon that after Sunday it's looking to be a bloody good job that hughes didn't replace tugay season after season.

[thenodrog]

I don't feel Ince has achieved anything, it's unlikely he will but I suspect he's here for the long term so we had better get used to it.

Simply cannot see that Simon, and I'm suprised that you do. Tell me any club that has stuck with a manager when results and fans both conspire against him? JW will be trying anything to get Ince to 'negotiate' his exit on the cheap. Forcing him to sack his buddies is just one example.

btw I know gate money is not that important nowadays but if we carry on like this they'll be able to close two stands at Ewood. We could even change the club motto 'abandon hope all ye who enter here' would be more appropriate don't you think?

In times of need SG, send for this man:-

Crikey I rem Codddington ..... and that bloody penalty farce too! err is that him on the left or on the right?

[Iceman]

just out of interest sake,has Jw said anything about whats happening at the moment? is it me or is he trying to avoid this mess by hoping things will improve, and not having to sack him.

[bubblerrovers]

Ince did try to find a replacement, but guess what - class players don't grow on trees. When almost all other prem teams offer bigger contracts, we cannot lure anyone of Bentley's class. Ince does not have a magic wand. And besides - Emerton has actually been one of the few pleasant surprises so far this season.

The team also had absolutely 0 balance with Hughes as well. We had two things going for us - Friedel saving the shambles we had for a defense game after game, and Bentley being our one and only attacking force, creating the chances for Santa Cruz. We lost Friedel and Bentley, Santa Cruz's chances dried up, and these are the results. If we still had Hughes in charge but lost Friedel and Bentley, we would be in the same position.

The thing is - if Ince was doing better than he is right now, he would be overachieving, because this is our current reality. These are our abilities and its time some people woke up from the fairytale of last season. We were a two-man team, players who we were extremely fortunate to have in the first place.

I'd bet you all the money in the world if we still had Hughes in charge we'd not be in this position. We may not of had balance last year but i don't remember going into every game thinking how much will we lose by today. Yes we're a @#/? team with no quality but look at Hull and Stoke that shows what a good coach can do

[Jan]

I'd bet you all the money in the world if we still had Hughes in charge we'd not be in this position. We may not of had balance last year but i don't remember going into every game thinking how much will we lose by today. Yes we're a @#/? team with no quality but look at Hull and Stoke that shows what a good coach can do

I second that. One of the MANY differences in quality between Ince and Hughes (one of oh, so very very many) was that when Hughes came in, he saw what was wrong and set about fixing it- with about 1/4 of the resources in terms of personnel quality we have now. This wassock tinkers, and fiddles, and looks indecisive- how many players HAVE we used this season already? I have no confidence that he has the slightest clue what his best 11 would be even if all the players were fit.

Mark Hughes knew (or at least thought he did) his best team and, I'm pretty sure, knew what he needed to improve. Paul Ince thinks Brett Emerton could be the answer on the right wing.'Nuff said.

[thenodrog]

Doesn't look like he's going anywhere.........just yet

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/tm_...-name_page.html

Anybody care to speculate on the chances of us being treated to an Ince / Venables double act?

[accyrover]

My two-penneth (for what its worth)......

I was a season ticket holder for years in the Blackburn End lower. I decided not to renew last year (before Hughes jumped ship) for personal reasons, plus I was getting cheesed off watching a load of over paid, over-inflated egotists prancing around a park earning huge salaries and complaining about being tired all the time just because they have to do a bit of physical exercise every now and then. I also became dissillusioned with the 'haves' and 'have nots' of the footballing world and the influx of dodgy foreign Roubles, Baat's and Dollars.

Now, Paul Ince......

The problem is not with John Williams. He made two successful appointments in Souness and Hughes. Anyone who thinks he is anything other than underatted and with the clubs best interest at heart is a fool. He runs the club superbly well given the constaints on money and does not stick his neb into the every day running of the club like so many other chairman or owners.

The problem is money. We simply do not have the finances to land a big managerial name or players. The Trust may well be to blame, but its what we have to work with as a club and it has kept us financially stable since Jack left us.

The majority of posters on here were slagging off Sam Allardyce when Hughes left and he enetered the running. Now you are all clamouring for him. I, for one, wanted Allardyce from the start - he may have his faults but when Hughes left this club was at a crossroads and although Williams took a gamble and banked on Ince coming through and being a success, this clearly hasn't happened. I do not blame John Williams.

Who I do blame is Ince. His choice of backroom staff is appalling. Winterburn and Knox are clearly not cutting it at this level. His team selections have been baffling and likewise his signings. Do not blame Keith Andrews for our current debacle (as soon seem to be doing - or at least he's a convenient scapegoat) - think of it this way - if the Chairman of ICI rang you up tommorrow and offered you a seat on the board for £250k a year you would take it, irrespective of whether you thought you could do the job. Andrews was headhunted by Ince who clearly cannot differentiate the class needed to play in League 2 as opposed to the Premiership. This clearly shows his inexperience. I have no doubt Keith Andrews is trying his damned hardest.

I also blame the players. Ince has clearly lost the dressing room. Players like Nelsen, Samba, Pederson and McCarthy do not become bad players overnight due to lack of ability. They become bad players due to lack of application and desire. These were players who were being touted for bigger clubs, some of them top 4 clubs (McCarthy to Chelsea, Pederson to Liverpool etc).

Ince needs to be removed from office before the transfer window. I have faith in whoever Williams replaces him with will be the right choice this time.

Allardyce for me. Always has been.

Accyrover.

[JC4LAB]

I think Incy is on Inside Sport tonight...

[Zulu]

I think Incy is on Inside Sport tonight...

He might be doing a lot of TV work in 2009.

[almuncle]

He might be doing a lot of TV work in 2009.

Mending them or selling them?

[cloggyjimmybrfc]

How can you say he's being made a scapegoat? he had plenty of opportunity during the summer to bring a right winger in but did sweet FA, just about everyone on this message board knew that's what we needed and were waiting for it to happen right up until the transfer deadline. Sadly Ince didn't seem to realise and appeared to just want to fill the team with central midfielders and Robbie bloody Fowler. We now we have a team with no balance, a defence playing with no confidence with defensive coach who lives in London and works a couple of sessions a week.

I could go on and on, but it's all been said before....

if we had hughes in charge and lost friedel and bentley,we would still be in the same position??

how do you work that one out?hughes is light years ahead of ince.if the board would have backed hughesy,maybe he wouldnt have gone?

[Bobby G]

Ince will lose his job and thats a given. Now the question is when will it happen? And if we all know the outcome, then the more we wait the deeper in we are for the new guy to TRY to get us out.

Our tactics and defending are our problems whilst the spirit is there for all to see. Thats a major bonus, as we still have confidence there...

Ince is reported to have said the following according to the Mirror today ->

"This is not pressure. When you've got four kids, you live on your own, you can't find a job and you've got mouths to feed, that is pressure," Ince said in the Daily Mirror.

"I don't like where we are today but there are worse things in life."

This is NOT what I want to be reading time after time, day after day for God's sake.

[Mike Graham]

can anyone send a link of this page to Andy Neil at the LET please?

The LT would look great tomorrow with "Fans poll says 85% want Ince sacked !"

[Paul]

- think of it this way - if the Chairman of ICI rang you up tommorrow and offered you a seat on the board for £250k a year you would take it, irrespective of whether you thought you could do the job.

I've actually been in this position, not with ICI, but offered a job with a fabulous salary which I knew to be beyond my capabilities. I turned it down knowing I'd be found out eventually. This is where Ince is most culpable, he must have known he hadn't the experience to take the position and should have had the sense to refuse the offer.

[modes98]

just out of interest sake,has Jw said anything about whats happening at the moment?

JW is hardly going to come out and say well Ince has 1 game to save his job(or whatever the board think) and i doubt that people would appreciate the normal 'the manager has our full support' speech and then they sack him a day later.

JW has hardly commented on the performances of the team in the past so I don't see why he should start now.

Personally I don't see us as a sacking club, we tend to let things drag on until it's way past the point other clubs would put up with. I think the time has come for a change, although I don't think Ince can be held 100% to blame for recent results, the team aren't putting in the extra yards and things haven't gone our way. There is no excuse or hiding place for the modern manager, shame Laudrup isn't available to take charge.

[Ste B]

can anyone send a link of this page to Andy Neil at the LET please?

The LT would look great tomorrow with "Fans poll says 85% want Ince sacked !"

Andy Neild no longer works there.. He works for PAPR.

No doubt the Club will say that the poll isnt representative of the views of fans.

[Jan]

I've actually been in this position, not with ICI, but offered a job with a fabulous salary which I knew to be beyond my capabilities. I turned it down knowing I'd be found out eventually. This is where Ince is most culpable, he must have known he hadn't the experience to take the position and should have had the sense to refuse the offer.

Me too. Got offered a fabulous job where the salary was 6 figures with the first one not starting with a 1. I knew the job was beyond my experience and I knew where it would lead, so turned it down, flat.

[gillibrand]

I've actually been in this position, not with ICI, but offered a job with a fabulous salary which I knew to be beyond my capabilities. I turned it down knowing I'd be found out eventually. This is where Ince is most culpable, he must have known he hadn't the experience to take the position and should have had the sense to refuse the offer.

I think the real world and football are two totally different situations, Ince new he would get a lot of media adoration for being the first black premiership manager, he new he would be on big wages, and he was well aware that when he was found out as you say, he would get a very large pay off, it's a win win situation for him, it's not surprising he does not feel any pressure!

[Rover4ever]

Who I do blame is Ince. His choice of backroom staff is appalling. Winterburn and Knox are clearly not cutting it at this level. His team selections have been baffling and likewise his signings. Do not blame Keith Andrews for our current debacle (as soon seem to be doing - or at least he's a convenient scapegoat) - think of it this way - if the Chairman of ICI rang you up tommorrow and offered you a seat on the board for £250k a year you would take it, irrespective of whether you thought you could do the job. Andrews was headhunted by Ince who clearly cannot differentiate the class needed to play in League 2 as opposed to the Premiership. This clearly shows his inexperience. I have no doubt Keith Andrews is trying his damned hardest.

I also blame the players. Ince has clearly lost the dressing room. Players like Nelsen, Samba, Pederson and McCarthy do not become bad players overnight due to lack of ability. They become bad players due to lack of application and desire. These were players who were being touted for bigger clubs, some of them top 4 clubs (McCarthy to Chelsea, Pederson to Liverpool etc).

While I agree that Ince's backroom staff dont inspire confidence, Nelsen, Pedersen, McCarthy all had bad periods under Hughes, so no point blaming Ince for their lack of form....

The ones who have been performing worse than last season are SantaCruz (though I dont blame him), Warnock , and Samba to some extent.

[Mike Graham]

Me too. Got offered a fabulous job where the salary was 6 figures with the first one not starting with a 1. I knew the job was beyond my experience and I knew where it would lead, so turned it down, flat.

£2,000-00pence

we know you are worth every penny Jan

[Jan]

I got a response to my email to John Williams. I'll copy it in full. He's a man under real pressure.

Dear Janice

I've been at the club for 12 years (most of those sadly without Jack). I've always done what I believe is right for the club and will continue to do so.

Yours sincerely

John Williams

Chairman