[Archived] Paul Ince

[Bobby G]

Jan, is that email for real?

[Jan]

  Bobby G said:

Jan, is that email for real?

100%

[T4E]

  Jan said:

Me too. Got offered a fabulous job where the salary was 6 figures with the first one not starting with a 1. I knew the job was beyond my experience and I knew where it would lead, so turned it down, flat.

If you had been allowed to take this job and bring atleast 5 people of your choosing with you, would you;

a ) Still refuse the job,

b ) Accept the job, and surround yourself with people with vasts amount of experience in your chosen field who would give you a great chance of being able adequately perform, alteast until their experience rubbed off on you and you were capable of doing the job under your own volition,

or

c ) Accept the job and hire loads of your equally unqualified mates so you can all ride that gravy train off in to the sunset?

[Jan]

  Tugay4England said:

If you had been allowed to take this job and bring atleast 5 people of your choosing with you, would you;

a ) Still refuse the job,

b ) Accept the job, and surround yourself with people with vasts amount of experience in your chosen field who would give you a great chance of being able adequately perform, alteast until their experience rubbed off on you and you were capable of doing the job under your own volition,

or

c ) Accept the job and hire loads of your equally unqualified mates so you can all ride that gravy train off in to the sunset?

Probably a, but b would be in there with a shout. Although with it being a backstabbing business I'd probably still go for a.

[The Prof.]

  NewburyRover said:

Grant has stated several times he is keen to get back into the game. I think he'd come to us.

Can you please tell me one attribute that Grant would bring to Ewood?

[Bobby G]

Jan, can I ask you what you wrote him?

[T4E]

No c) then. hardly surprising - that tactic wouldn't make sense to many of us.

btw - what was the content of the mail you sent JW that prompted his response? Apologies if I've missed it.

[Jan]

Mr. Williams

As a long term season ticket holder, it gives me no pleasure to write this email.

PLEASE just admit that the wrong decision was taken in the summer and appoint a manager who at least has SOME semblance of a clue as to what he's doing. If you want to keep us in the Premier League, you MAY just have time to do it, but only if you act quickly.

Paul Ince may have shown some of the qualities of Mark Hughes in interview- young and ex-Manchester United, but the mere fact that, unlike said Mr. Hughes, he had not bothered to start his badges before taking a step into, or even during his first step into, management, should have told the world that the required approach could NEVER be taken by that man.

As a senior manager in a Big 4 firm of accountants, I have had to hire a number of people in my time. I can see where the thought that he might be a bright young manager could come from, but it was clear all too early on that the word bright should be removed from the phrase.

He has made made some baffling decisions in signings, tactics and support personnel in the very short time that he has been our manager. It has got to the stage that I really cannot be bothered driving the 217 mile journey each way that I have undertaken most weekends since 1995, as I know we'll put in an abject performance and get beaten. The last time I felt like this was just before you managed to get rid of Mr. Souness without it costing us money. Kudos to you for that!!!

I was one of the unfortunates who took up the early bird offer, otherwise I would not have renewed when I heard his first press conference. At least he has SOME prescience. He said he would make us bottom 3 club, and he certainly has done that- in spades.

I am not alone. Most of my friends who are rovers fans or season ticket holders are making the same decision- why go and watch a disorganized shower who are going to lose. We have to remember that this is the same squad that came 7th (minus Bentley and Brad but plus Robinson who almost makes up for Brad) Things clearly have gone very wrong.

To my shame I was also one of the 3,000 fans who joined the anti-Allardyce facebook campaign. In my defence that was at a time when I thought you would appoint a good candidate, Laudrup, Ten Cate or Bilic scream to mind. When you appointed Ince, I really couldn't believe it. If the choice had been Ince or Allardyce, it would have been Allardyce all the way for me. I still gave him a chance, but his choice of a completely unqualified backroom staff, a defence coach who is regularly reported as being at the Emirates stadium and his "quip" and general demeanour at his first press conference soon convinced me that this was a bad idea. This was followed by the pre-season defeat at Wolves which was abject in its awfulness.

Since then, things have really gone downhill. Public admissions that we cannot beat the top 4 (did no-one tell Mr. Hughes that?) and 3 points out of 27 have led me to believe that the end MUST have come.

The man is a menace Please don't stand behind him simply because it is either easier or would be seen as positive discrimination.

PLEASE SAVE THE CLUB. Sack Paul Ince today. This is probably your last chance before relegation beckons.

Yours sincerely

Janice Edgar

Edit- By the way- I realise now why the response was what it was. This is way OTT

[Bobby G]

Whats JW's email by the way?

[T4E]

  Jan said:

Mr. Williams

As a long term season ticket holder, it gives me no pleasure to write this email.

PLEASE just admit that the wrong decision was taken in the summer and appoint a manager who at least has SOME semblance of a clue as to what he's doing. If you want to keep us in the Premier League, you MAY just have time to do it, but only if you act quickly.

Paul Ince may have shown some of the qualities of Mark Hughes in interview- young and ex-Manchester United, but the mere fact that, unlike said Mr. Hughes, he had not bothered to start his badges before taking a step into, or even during his first step into, management, should have told the world that the required approach could NEVER be taken by that man.

As a senior manager in a Big 4 firm of accountants, I have had to hire a number of people in my time. I can see where the thought that he might be a bright young manager could come from, but it was clear all too early on that the word bright should be removed from the phrase.

He has made made some baffling decisions in signings, tactics and support personnel in the very short time that he has been our manager. It has got to the stage that I really cannot be bothered driving the 217 mile journey each way that I have undertaken most weekends since 1995, as I know we'll put in an abject performance and get beaten. The last time I felt like this was just before you managed to get rid of Mr. Souness without it costing us money. Kudos to you for that!!!

I was one of the unfortunates who took up the early bird offer, otherwise I would not have renewed when I heard his first press conference. At least he has SOME prescience. He said he would make us bottom 3 club, and he certainly has done that- in spades.

I am not alone. Most of my friends who are rovers fans or season ticket holders are making the same decision- why go and watch a disorganized shower who are going to lose. We have to remember that this is the same squad that came 7th (minus Bentley and Brad but plus Robinson who almost makes up for Brad) Things clearly have gone very wrong.

To my shame I was also one of the 3,000 fans who joined the anti-Allardyce facebook campaign. In my defence that was at a time when I thought you would appoint a good candidate, Laudrup, Ten Cate or Bilic scream to mind. When you appointed Ince, I really couldn't believe it. If the choice had been Ince or Allardyce, it would have been Allardyce all the way for me. I still gave him a chance, but his choice of a completely unqualified backroom staff, a defence coach who is regularly reported as being at the Emirates stadium and his "quip" and general demeanour at his first press conference soon convinced me that this was a bad idea. This was followed by the pre-season defeat at Wolves which was abject in its awfulness.

Since then, things have really gone downhill. Public admissions that we cannot beat the top 4 (did no-one tell Mr. Hughes that?) and 3 points out of 27 have led me to believe that the end MUST have come.

The man is a menace Please don't stand behind him simply because it is either easier or would be seen as positive discrimination.

PLEASE SAVE THE CLUB. Sack Paul Ince today. This is probably your last chance before relegation beckons.

Yours sincerely

Janice Edgar

That was brilliant.

[The Prof.]

  Jan said:

I got a response to my email to John Williams. I'll copy it in full. He's a man under real pressure.

Dear Janice

I've been at the club for 12 years (most of those sadly without Jack). I've always done what I believe is right for the club and will continue to do so.

Yours sincerely

John Williams

Chairman

What did you send? (T4E beat me to it~!)

This e-mail looks like it's on bounceback!

(or you'd say 'yesterday hurt but I've been at the club.......')

[Amo]

  Bobby G said:

Whats JW's email by the way?

dachairman@hotmail.com

[The Prof.]

  El Tombro said:

Whilst I agree with most of what you say, you're totally ignoring the fact that the above-mentioned players all soured well before Hughes left. Pedersen and McCarty seem to have been one season wonders, Nelsen and Samba, though I rate both highly, have been totally disorganised in defence for the past one year. Though I don't blame Ince for this in particular, I do blame him for not somehow rectifying the problem. The guy can't manage it seems, he just comes out with crap media statements.

I think most of us would have started with those two in the back four but I still think the midfield gives no cover - How many did Samba head out in the first half? Seemed a lot and eventually you get caught out.

Even at junior level we were always told to stay together and not have big gaps between midfield and defence. Trouble is Rovers have contrived to have a big gap between midfield and defence and no support for the forwards.

HOW THE *!&!* DO THEY MANAGE THAT????? RUBBISH ORGANISATION DOESN@T COME INTO IT!

Actually - if we send another e-mail to JW it should show it's on bounceback - where's that e-mail adress?

[The Prof.]

  The Prof. said:

I think most of us would have started with those two in the back four but I still think the midfield gives no cover - How many did Samba head out in the first half? Seemed a lot and eventually you get caught out.

Even at junior level we were always told to stay together and not have big gaps between midfield and defence. Trouble is Rovers have contrived to have a big gap between midfield and defence and no support for the forwards.

HOW THE *!&!* DO THEY MANAGE THAT????? RUBBISH ORGANISATION DOESN@T COME INTO IT!

Actually - if we send another e-mail to JW it should show it's on bounceback - where's that e-mail adress?

While I'm on one I think JW should show us what a real man he is and offer his RESIGNATION if the TRUSTEES DON'T FUND A PROPERMANAGER AND SOME TRANSFER ACTIVITY SOON! SHOW SOME B@!!$ MAN>

Look now I've replied to myself - DOH!

[islander200]

Why cant people give paul ince a break,yes are start to the season has been bad but is not all down to ince,when he came he had to dal with the sale of two of our best player-friedal and bentley,without bentley we lack any creativity.He has had to deal with constant media speculation about the sale of our best players,there are 13 games gone for gods sake!People have to remember we are blackburn rovers we get an average att of 18000 1 of the worst att in league,we are also competing against teams who went out and spent 30 mill + this summer.Yes Mark hughes worked wonders for the club but he realised he could not take us ay further nd he probably expected the club to be in a relagation battle this season and he jumped ship with his reputation intact.Our squad needs a major overhaul but ince or whoever the maager may e in january are not goin to get the funds to do it.The biggest problem we have is the trustees of our club want out,and they are not wiling to spend the cash we need to get us out of this mess.People will argue that hughes did much better with more or less the same squad but i disagree,players like nelson,gamst pederson and mcarthy are not the same players anymore you take those 3 and add bentley friedal and tugay to the list and it is no suprise where we ae in the league,any manager would struggle.It is ot paul ince who is to blame,it is the trustees

[leftfooter]

  accyrover said:

Who I do blame is Ince. His choice of backroom staff is appalling. Winterburn and Knox are clearly not cutting it at this level. His team selections have been baffling and likewise his signings. Do not blame Keith Andrews for our current debacle (as soon seem to be doing - or at least he's a convenient scapegoat) - think of it this way - if the Chairman of ICI rang you up tommorrow and offered you a seat on the board for £250k a year you would take it, irrespective of whether you thought you could do the job. Andrews was headhunted by Ince who clearly cannot differentiate the class needed to play in League 2 as opposed to the Premiership. This clearly shows his inexperience. I have no doubt Keith Andrews is trying his damned hardest.

Fair comment, but I wouldn't level all the blame at Ince's door.

For reasons already stated, the Board; the degenerate rump of the Walker family and the Trustees must share a large proportion of the blame

It’s difficult to blame him for wanting to challenge himself, particularly as he must have known that as a poor kid from Ilford who dragged his way to the top as a player, posterity would be waiting to hand him further laurels.

Accyrover is right on the point of patronage. Where Ince must accept blame is for appointing such a mediocre back room staff.

The obvious conclusion is that the man is so insecure or so egotistical, that in order to avoid any potential challenge to his reign, he hired such a selection of dullards that he would shine all the more like "bright metal on a sullen ground”.

Sadly, he will now be remembered at Rovers, as the first east end boy done bad.

[47er]

There was a teensy weensy bit of cause for optimism in Sunday's game. At least for once we started with most players in their natural positions. It was great to see Matty's predator instincts back to the fore, on another day he might have won us the game. We had a genuine and skillful central mid-fielder in Tugay and a left-back in Warnock. Pedersen got one or two teasing crosses in. There did seem to be no shortage of morale which is surprising in the circumstances.

I could go on but maybe,just maybe Ince has finally learned what everyone else knew. One problem is that if we defend like that we can't win another game. West Brom are exactly the same and no-one believes they will stay up. Another is that the clubs we expected to be above are well above us eg Wigan,Fulham and Bolton whereas the clubs above us----Newcastle and Spurs won't go down imo. At least 2 clubs have to be dragged into this to allow us to escape I can't think who they are and we are running out of time. We all thought Stoke and Hull were relegation certainties but it isn't happening. Very concerning, in fact giving me sleepless nights.

[The Prof.]

  islander200 said:

Why cant people give paul ince a break,yes are start to the season has been bad but is not all down to ince,when he came he had to dal with the sale of two of our best player-friedal and bentley,without bentley we lack any creativity.He has had to deal with constant media speculation about the sale of our best players,there are 13 games gone for gods sake!People have to remember we are blackburn rovers we get an average att of 18000 1 of the worst att in league,we are also competing against teams who went out and spent 30 mill + this summer.Yes Mark hughes worked wonders for the club but he realised he could not take us ay further nd he probably expected the club to be in a relagation battle this season and he jumped ship with his reputation intact.Our squad needs a major overhaul but ince or whoever the maager may e in january are not goin to get the funds to do it.The biggest problem we have is the trustees of our club want out,and they are not wiling to spend the cash we need to get us out of this mess.People will argue that hughes did much better with more or less the same squad but i disagree,players like nelson,gamst pederson and mcarthy are not the same players anymore you take those 3 and add bentley friedal and tugay to the list and it is no suprise where we ae in the league,any manager would struggle.It is ot paul ince who is to blame,it is the trustees

Might as well give up then!

[Majiball]

  modes98 said:

shame Laudrup isn't available to take charge.

He only signed an 18 month deal. How much compo could that be?

  Tugay4England said:

If you had been allowed to take this job and bring atleast 5 people of your choosing with you, would you;

a ) Still refuse the job,

b ) Accept the job, and surround yourself with people with vasts amount of experience in your chosen field who would give you a great chance of being able adequately perform, alteast until their experience rubbed off on you and you were capable of doing the job under your own volition,

or

c ) Accept the job and hire loads of your equally unqualified mates so you can all ride that gravy train off in to the sunset?

OK its football so its a little different, If offered I would say yes. However A, B & C don't fit, one guy I know and trust and the rest would be the best I could find and get. Combination of b and c. You need one guy you trust implicitly.

Its why I understood Mathias coming, but lost it when Knox et al followed along.

[Exiled in Toronto]

  Jan said:

Edit- By the way- I realise now why the response was what it was. This is way OTT

I suspect you may not have talked your way onto the selection committee for the next manager. It could have been written by Henry Root! All it needs is "Here's a pound. Let's go!' as the sign-off.

Of course, the secret behind the success of The Henry Root Letters was that those who interface with the general public get tons of letters written by people who appear to be completely bonkers.

But well done for trying to do something rather than just bleat on here.

[gillibrand]

  islander200 said:

Why cant people give paul ince a break,yes are start to the season has been bad but is not all down to ince,when he came he had to dal with the sale of two of our best player-friedal and bentley,without bentley we lack any creativity.He has had to deal with constant media speculation about the sale of our best players,there are 13 games gone for gods sake!People have to remember we are blackburn rovers we get an average att of 18000 1 of the worst att in league,we are also competing against teams who went out and spent 30 mill + this summer.Yes Mark hughes worked wonders for the club but he realised he could not take us ay further nd he probably expected the club to be in a relagation battle this season and he jumped ship with his reputation intact.Our squad needs a major overhaul but ince or whoever the maager may e in january are not goin to get the funds to do it.The biggest problem we have is the trustees of our club want out,and they are not wiling to spend the cash we need to get us out of this mess.People will argue that hughes did much better with more or less the same squad but i disagree,players like nelson,gamst pederson and mcarthy are not the same players anymore you take those 3 and add bentley friedal and tugay to the list and it is no suprise where we ae in the league,any manager would struggle.It is ot paul ince who is to blame,it is the trustees

If you gave Ince more money all he would do is buy more lower division dross, we would still get relegated but we would be in debt!

[T4E]

Mathias was an option C choice. He does not have any experience at this level, and is a failed manager himself. If Ince does not have the experience to manage at this level, what does that say about a man that was unemployed until Ince took him to Macclesfield?

[Athlete]

  gillibrand said:

If you gave Ince more money all he would do is buy more lower division dross, we would still get relegated but we would be in debt!

further in debt if that clown spends it - the trustees must be lookking at putting pressure on JW to get rid of this prick and his circus entourage of Winterburn , etc . Cos if the trustees want to sell the club as viable strong premiership business that will no longer be an option if this clown is allowed to continue and take us down !

[trueblue]

Latest from Sky Sports..

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[Athlete]

  trueblue said:

Latest from Sky Sports..

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here is his qoute taken off sporting life :

But while the former England international confesses he is not enjoying Blackburn's current predicament, he is adamant he is not feeling the heat.

"This is not pressure. When you've got four kids, you live on your own, you can't find a job and you've got mouths to feed, that is pressure," Ince said in the Daily Mirror.

THe charlie big time Ince as never had to struggle to make ends meet !