[Archived] Paul Ince

[roverfanuk]

I'm now wondering after this (Ince) interview, whether he is looking for the sack, and his payoff. I don't understand the logic in saying something thats going to intimidate the fans, board and take away from the club in the eyes of other teams...

What he has said cant have done him any good, so why say it? Apart from forcing the board to make their move resulting in his payoff...

I know it sounds a little conspiracy theory, but it does seem a little strange..? Timing etc...?

[Blue blood]

I think Ince knows the game is up and is trying to save his reputation by getting his excuses out now.

The interview on sunday sounded like a broken man - whatever he says (which is often contradictory) I think he realises that he's up the creek without a paddle.

[Drunx2002]

Just watching the interview on Inside Sport on the Beeb:

Gabby Yorath: "Would you like to manage England one day.......?"

WHAT??!!!

[John]

Jonathan Pearce saying we took a massive risk taking him on in the first place, therefore likely we will give him time.

[TugaysMarlboro]

To be honest, I don't think it was that bad an interview some are making it out to be.

[tony gale's mic]

They didn't mention we were in the relegation zone quite conveniently...tbf they had to support him, they just showed Gabby Logan getting all pally with him, they could hardly say we need to get rid straight after.

To be honest, I don't think it was that bad an interview some are making it out to be.

As a whole no, but that quote where he says our sole aim should just be to stay in this league overshadows anything else he said.

[skrover]

But it is and that is the case for at least half of the clubs in our league. Admittedly we should be doing it quite comfortably rather than being 19th but he is still right.

[JAL]

For all his wealth, for all his achievements, Ince needs help, he says he feels isolated no one to turn too someones got to give him direction and support now otherwise we are dead.

[Benni's Hot Pot]

I thought the Inside Sport interview was quite illuminating. Ince, though appearing to feel the pressure, was a lot more at ease in his home than when he's thrust in front of the spotlight straight after a game.

When he was talking about what he looks for in potential signings - their hunger to succeed or adversities they'd overcome - I think it went some way to explaining the qualities he sees in Andrews, who has had to work his way up to the Premier League after being cast off. It made it harder to quantify the signing of Fowler though - a man who has millions in the bank and seems to have no fire in his belly.

Jonathan Pearce implied that the job had come too soon for Ince but, to paraphrase, insisted Rovers have made their bed and must now sleep in it. The Oliver Holt piece was brought up as well and Des Kelly, the other journalist on the show, got things just about right, saying Ince is under pressure purely because of results and at the moment, he’s not delivering.

[TugaysMarlboro]

I'll be honest and say half the time i'm thinking get rid, it's not going to change, it's the same old rubbish being served up.

On the other hand i'm sat here knowing that obviously he's finding it hard, but he's putting all his effort into it. Yes I understand that may not be good enough but just let me say this.

We all know he's not a Rovers' fan, hell he's probably not even fond of us, but if he does one day want to manage Man Utd or Inter Milan or even England..then he has to be successful it's that simple! I know it's hurting him as much as it is me, and yesterday I couldn't bare to hear his after match interview until i'd calmed down enough, by which time MOTD2 had just started.

I'm probably in a minority to say I like the man, as a person (now he's grown up) and as a former footballer he's one of the best midfielders we've ever had (by that I mean England.)

I'm not here to say "back" or "sack" nor am I here to explain this post once it's gone live on this thread...but after reading this thread for a little while, some people are taking what's written in the papers as gospel, that interview tonight sounded nowhere near as bad as some were making it out to be after they'd read it online. I'm not aiming this at anyone specifically, but i've hovered around enough and feel I ought to throw my 10p's worth in.

The man is hurting, he is, he may not admit, but he is. Not only is his team losing but his pride is taking hit after hit. I've no doubt Paul Ince spends every second he's awake thinking about how he can change his fortunes around. He will fight for every point possible.....that's how Paul Ince is built.

It's quite possible however, that in the near future, we could be looking at headlines reading "Mince Meat."

[neekoy]

Can you please tell me one attribute that Grant would bring to Ewood?

The ability to get some solidarity in the team, he was surely no worse tactically

[skrover]

don't think I've agreed with any post i've read recently more than that one Travylad

[tony gale's mic]

But it is and that is the case for at least half of the clubs in our league. Admittedly we should be doing it quite comfortably rather than being 19th but he is still right.

Aiming to compete in Europe should be our target, we did it or came close these last three seasons.

You didn't hear Hughes talking too much about being grateful to just be in the league, but you did with Souness and Ince. But at least with Souness he'd taken the team up and so could be forgiven for that mentality. Ince on the other hand took over a side in Europe, joked at the press conference about us not being in the bottom three yet and then takes us exactly there.

Aim high (ie European slots) and if you miss, there's still a big room for error.

Aim to just stay in the league, get your signings to that level, get your mindset to that level like Ince is doing now, and if you fail then it's a big, big price to pay.

[RevidgeBlue]

Two cracking posts from Benni's hotpot and Travylad.

I didn't see this latest interview but didn't see anything at all wrong with Ince's earlier interview in the LT when he said real pressure was the ordinary man in the street with four kids who lost his job.

He didn't mean the situation with Rovers was unimportant or didn't matter but was refusing to feel sorry for himself.

Obviously however some people will twist everything round and construe every word that comes out of his mouth in a negative light.

By all means criticise tactics, performances and results if necessary but the level of personal abuse being directed towards him is way beyond the pale.

[Drunx2002]

He still sounds to me like a big kid and this may sound harsh but I don't think even he honestly believes some of the stuff he comes out with.

When asked what he looks for in potential signings he said he looks into a player's "background". It sounded simply like a throwaway comment and when quizzed on it by Yorath to see if he looked for players with a working class background he starting saying "I had it tough growing up so did Roy Keane"...... He was asked how he scouts for players and somehow he's back talking about his old football chums.

I'm pretty sure he didn't look into whether Villanueva grew up in a Santiago slum or asked Vince Grella about his upbringing down under before he bought them. In fact, I'd wager he knew very little about either before they rocked up at Brockhall.

To me he came across as nothing more than an ex-footballer, paid handsomely during his playing days. It was more like MTV's "cribs" than a serious interview with a football manager about his club's perilous situation.

[TugaysMarlboro]

He still sounds to me like a big kid and this may sound harsh but I don't think even he honestly believes some of the stuff he comes out with.

When asked what he looks for in potential signings he said he looks into a player's "background". It sounded simply like a throwaway comment and when quizzed on it by Yorath to see if he looked for players with a working class background he starting saying "I had it tough growing up so did Roy Keane"...... He was asked how he scouts for players and somehow he's back talking about his old football chums.

I'm pretty sure he didn't look into whether Villanueva grew up in a Santiago slum or asked Vince Grella about his upbringing down under before he bought them. In fact, I'd wager he knew very little about either before they rocked up at Brockhall.

To me he came across as nothing more than an ex-footballer, paid handsomely during his playing days. It was more like MTV's "cribs" than a serious interview with a football manager about his club's perilous situation.

I get your point there. But to be honest, he's not the one who edits what is and isn't shown. He was interviewed, he answered the questions given to him. They wanted a look around his house, that's not really a crime is it? I didn't see him boasting about how he was living.

[tony gale's mic]

He still sounds to me like a big kid and this may sound harsh but I don't think even he honestly believes some of the stuff he comes out with.

When asked what he looks for in potential signings he said he looks into a player's "background". It sounded simply like a throwaway comment and when quizzed on it by Yorath to see if he looked for players with a working class background he starting saying "I had it tough growing up so did Roy Keane"...... He was asked how he scouts for players and somehow he's back talking about his old football chums.

I'm pretty sure he didn't look into whether Villanueva grew up in a Santiago slum or asked Vince Grella about his upbringing down under before he bought them. In fact, I'd wager he knew very little about either before they rocked up at Brockhall.

To me he came across as nothing more than an ex-footballer, paid handsomely during his playing days. It was more like MTV's "cribs" than a serious interview with a football manager about his club's perilous situation.

That last paragraph was exactly what went through my mind too, right down to the Cribs reference. He wasn't terrible on it, but only reinforced what we already thought about him.

[Drunx2002]

I get your point there. But to be honest, he's not the one who edits what is and isn't shown. He was interviewed, he answered the questions given to him. They wanted a look around his house, that's not really a crime is it? I didn't see him boasting about how he was living.

Fair point. It was the Beebs intention to film it like that. Can't really imagine "At home with the Wengers" though!

I have to admit chuckling at the irony of this....

GY: "What do you think has changed in the premier league since your playing days?"

PI: "There's many more egos!"

[skrover]

The stay in the league attitude might not show enough ambition for some but I think it's realistic for us. I think it shows just how good Hughes is. I'm sure he'll be a big success at Man City.

[tony gale's mic]

The stay in the league attitude might not show enough ambition for some but I think it's realistic for us. I think it shows just how good Hughes is. I'm sure he'll be a big success at Man City.

Hughes was really good, but fact is you take over a club, your ambition should be MINIMUM to keep it where it is, and ideally to take it forward. The top 10 finish wasnt just a flash in the pan, it happened three seasons in a row and a top 6 and a trophy under Souness. So no, making your ambition to drop a whole ten places in the league from 7th to 17th is simply unacceptable.

[TugaysMarlboro]

Fair point. It was the Beebs intention to film it like that. Can't really imagine "At home with the Wengers" though!

I have to admit chuckling at the irony of this....

GY: "What do you think has changed in the premier league since your playing days?"

PI: "There's many more egos!"

Yeah, I get your point. I'd put that down to the beeb, he didn't brag about anything he had. The only two things i can really remember him saying regarding his house were:

"I used to spend quite abit of my wages on playing snooker as a YTS player." and "Yeah we can do that" when Gaby asked for a round at St. Andrews on that golf simulator thing.

No doubt they asked if they could have a look round, and being a host he duly obliged. Only difference between him doing that and me is that he's fortunate enough to live in that house, due to a talent he has/had that pays/paid well.....Sadly my natural talent of making fart noises using my hand and armpit doesn't.

[skrover]

I know Ince's quip in his first press conference is seized upon but I'm sure he's talked about qualifying for Europe again since he took the job. I think when you are on a bad run and fall into the relegation places your ambitions are reigned in a bit and you inevitably focus on the immediate ie needing to get to safety. If we were sitting 7th when he did that interview I reckon there's a good chance he would have answered that question differently.

[BRFC1995]

BBC thing got my back up, really,really showed ince as utterly clueless..........notice he did'nt mention mathias or knox as people he'd turn to for advice, in which case if he does'nt want their advice what the hell are they doing there. What the hell kind of advice did he take to do that interview can't see any other manager putting up with that pathetic line of questioning making him look gormless and letting him remind everyone that in the words of harry enfield he is considerably richer than yow.

[trueblue]

This beggars belief... Ince now has his eyes on managing England !!!! Here

[PAFELL]

BBC thing got my back up, really,really showed ince as utterly clueless..........notice he did'nt mention mathias or knox as people he'd turn to for advice, in which case if he does'nt want their advice what the hell are they doing there. What the hell kind of advice did he take to do that interview can't see any other manager putting up with that pathetic line of questioning making him look gormless and letting him remind everyone that in the words of harry enfield he is considerably richer than yow.

Chill out Ince is a going soon - reported in the mirror this morning that the trustees are having a meeting as they are concerned about the situation at rovers. The mirror called the trustees the moneymen are coming over to sort the situation out. It will be a case of back Ince with money or sack him and back the new manager.