[Archived] Paul Ince

[thenodrog]

I think he has every right to feel proud to lead a team out as manager at the club where he really made his name. There's nothing wrong in what he said at all!

Correct Ivan.

......... But I'm not sure how after Ewood how the OT faithful will greet him.

[Presty On Tour]

Having watched ssn today and seen that Ince has apparently asked for 6 more games to prove himself makes me feel sick.

6 more games under Ince and we could be dead and buried.

This really is a sad state of affairs.

[RevidgeBlue]

Am I the only Rovers fan who is finding the constant vilification of Paul Ince more and more offensive?

I'm not sure how people can look in the mirror at present. Yes we are having a terrible time of it, the management are clearly struggling and we can all see the probems on the field but the level of abuse being directed at Ince is disgraceful. I'm beginning to feel he should have the chance to stay and prove the doubters wrong.

We are talking about our football club and a man who I hope believes he is doing his very best to manage that club. Put in the same situation I know how I'd react to some of the stuff on this board. Ince is demonstrating a remarkable degree of self-control, which of course he should but it must be very difficult. By all means discuss the performances, team etc but remember you might be severly impacting on a man's career and future.

I really hope we don't see the sort of scenes at Ewood that I fear we will on Saturday.

No Paul, and an excellent post.

"Wassock" "Prick" "T***" "Dead man walking" and "stupid grin" are just a few of the choice terma which have been bandied about to describe Ince within the last 48 hours. There's also been a call to arms for a demonstration at the Liverpool game.

Quite ridiculous and if anything, the level of abuse which was directed against Allardyce when he was linked with the job was even worse.

I think a lot of people have gone so far down the road of villifying Ince, they're terrified now at the possibility he might turn things round thereby making them look completely stupid. Hence they have gone more and more OTT with their criticism.

Quite what Ince or our more coveted players make of it, heaven only knows. They must be tempted to think "Why bother" and if Ince did get relieved of his duties at some point, any other manager following this m/b over the last few months would need his marbles testing if he was seriously contemplating taking over.

The treatment dished out to Ince has been so unjust I too am at the stage whereby I'm almost tempted towards backing him indefinitely for as long as he needs to prove the doubters wrong. I wonder if all the flak might make the Board feel equally intransigent as well?

Plus of course, all this is absolute grist to the mill for the likes of that plum who wrote the recent article in the Mirror whose name temporarily escapes me.

[47er]

Paul,

I for one wholeheartedly support your comments. I don't think I've posted any comments about Ince at all - I prefer to keep my counsel for at least half a season. I have found myself reading many threads on here less and less over the last few weeks as they are primarily slanging matches and non stop abuse with very little reasoned debate - my apologies to anyone who has tried to raise the tone - you are very much in the minority at the moment.

I'm one of the c500 who will be at Old Trafford tomorrow and whilst I can understand any fan who refuses to pay the ridiculous ticket prices at least I can be fairly sure that those that are going will be real fans prepared to support their team when they need it. I despair of anyone who believes that taking along Ince Out banners or chanting the same during the match on Saturday will help the club in any way whatsoever.

There has been a lot of very reasoned debate. Fans have talked about selling Bentley with no replacement sealed up beforehand, bewilderingly bad team selections, abysmal substitutions, lack of tactical nous,lame excuses after every loss, lousy defence and therefore coaching, aweful signings, huge list of injuries, appalling communication skills and ,above all, playing people out of position. How many more do you want? Posters don't list these everytime they post, they know them off by heart. They just say "get rid" and know that most of us know why.

[Paul]

Er...to be fair that's a bit ridiculous from your point of view.

I'm not defending the insulting but as I said before it's a pretty natural reaction to someone in power screwing up something you care about. Bush, Blair, Major, McLaren, Graham Taylor, it happens each and every time. Only very occasionally has it crossed the line though, such as when AESF had a crack at Ince's council house background...but then that's him for you.

If you honestly put those your own sensitivities over the good of your own football club then it's a sorry state of affairs.

I dont think I am putting my own sensitivities before the club. This isn't an easy point to get across and "offensive" isn't the right word, I can't think of another though. I'm not personally offended but I think the situation has become offensive. Vilifying the manager to this extent is unnecessary and doesn't put our club in a very good light. Should Ince leave you can be sure comments on here will be cherry picked by the likes of Oliver Holt. From the outset I didn't feel comfortable with Ince as manager, my attitude was to sit back and wait to be proved wrong, I am still waiting. After the Sunderland game I'd have been happy to see him go, but after a lot of thought I'm not sure this is the solution.

If things turn around tonight or on Saturday a large proportion of the support are going to have trouble with the "Paul Ince's blue & white army" chant. While I strongly object to paying £41 for a ticket if I didn't have other committments I would now go to Old Trafford out of sheer bloody-mindedness.

Thanks to the three people who have posted in support of my view. At least I'm not a minority of one! When I originally posted these thoughts it was as a new thread. I felt that to be the relevant way to express the view. Obviously this has been merged in here, shame because I hoped those with similar thoughts might have been able to make their view more public, rather than lost amongst the Ince Out stuff.

[bob fleming]

Plus of course, all this is absolute grist to the mill for the likes of that plum who wrote the recent article in the Mirror whose name temporarily escapes me.

I read in the LT last night; we have 23 league games left. We haven't won in 9 (that's nigh on a quarter of the season). We need to win 9 more games to get to the "magical" 40 points which means we should be safe. That means winning 39% of our remaining fixtures.

That's frightening.

Paul Ince could come from the 12th moon of Neptune, be a 20 foot tall, 2 headed, 4 legged, purple alien for all I care - so long as we win something like 10 of our remaining games and we stop up.

However results over the last two months would suggest that we won't win that number of games.

Paul - you mention the level of personal abuse Ince has been getting. I certainly don't condone it but it goes with the territory I'm afraid and I understand it. Paul Ince is manager of our football club. The club we follow through thick and thin and have done for many years, spending vasts amount of money in the process. We love the club and more often than not the manager. We chant his name every Saturday for instance. So when it starts going "tits up" people react. It's a love / hate thing. Love can turn to hate pretty sharpish.

I'll not be making banners or booing the team come Saturday. That can all be done at the final whistle surely - if you feel that way out. But I'd be surprised if people don't.

We're quietly slipping away....

Anyway - we could beat United tonight and none of this will matter.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

After the Sunderland game I too called for Ince's head but he still here.

But it is matchday so we have to get behind him and his team. The team and the club as a whole needs support.

If after tonight we are out of the cup so be it. Hopefully we go down fighting. If we win very nice, but it does not solve anything.

We must go to this weekend's game full of support. Get behind the team, raise the roof.

But come the end of it and we are still in this position, the board must act and the crowd have to let them know.

[Darth Paul]

Thanks to the three people who have posted in support of my view. At least I'm not a minority of one! When I originally posted these thoughts it was as a new thread. I felt that to be the relevant way to express the view. Obviously this has been merged in here, shame because I hoped those with similar thoughts might have been able to make their view more public, rather than lost amongst the Ince Out stuff.

I'm with you as well Paul - I can't say that I am not worried but my view is that you back your manager until the point he is no longer a part of the set up...anything else is detrimental to the club, and why would any fan want that? John Williams isn't daft - if the time comes for Ince to go he will make that decision in the best interest of the Club, and then the Angry Mob can have their field day.

Until then support your team...and it's manager.

Paul Ince could come from the 12th moon of Neptune, be a 20 foot tall, 2 headed, 4 legged, purple alien for all I care - so long as we win something like 10 of our remaining games and we stop up.

Some people had enough of a problem with Ince being a black manager...I don't think that Rovers, or indeed the Premiership are ready for this Neptunian monster that you speak of...

[Bobby G]

Huge game for Ince as his whole career's immediate future is at a crossroads tonight. Win and he saves himself, at least for now, and a loss and Liverpool becomes a match he must not lose...We have been outplayed and outgamed by the Big Four this season, so it would have to be a massive change from our end to get the win tonight.

This is what Ince is reported to have said in one of the papers, which has happened after the Pompey game, as mentioned on Tribalfootball ->

"A few of the lads stood up, people like Roque (Santa Cruz), and they all said how important it is to keep working, to keep spirits and morale up and not to listen to all the negativity.

"The lads know it's going to be a battle, but they said 'Listen, we're all in it together, let's work hard, be positive and we can get through this situation we're in'.

"As for John Williams, he has done nothing but back me. We all know where we are, but we also know we've got games to rectify that.

"As long as you've the support of the chairman, that's all that matters."

[CrazyIvan]

Im not proud to go and watch,possibly the worst Rovers team ive seen for ages!

Does anyone actually expect us to win tomorrow?we are quietly becoming a joke!

If we played Burnley tomorrow we'd lose, infact if we played anyone we'd struggle!

Ince is not capable of turning things around, He would have done so by now!

The coaches are laughable!

Changes are needed!ASAP!

Fair enough but I don't understand the relevance to my post.

No Paul, and an excellent post.

"Wassock" "Prick" "T***" "Dead man walking" and "stupid grin" are just a few of the choice terma which have been bandied about to describe Ince within the last 48 hours. There's also been a call to arms for a demonstration at the Liverpool game.

Quite ridiculous and if anything, the level of abuse which was directed against Allardyce when he was linked with the job was even worse.

I think a lot of people have gone so far down the road of villifying Ince, they're terrified now at the possibility he might turn things round thereby making them look completely stupid. Hence they have gone more and more OTT with their criticism.

Quite what Ince or our more coveted players make of it, heaven only knows. They must be tempted to think "Why bother" and if Ince did get relieved of his duties at some point, any other manager following this m/b over the last few months would need his marbles testing if he was seriously contemplating taking over.

The treatment dished out to Ince has been so unjust I too am at the stage whereby I'm almost tempted towards backing him indefinitely for as long as he needs to prove the doubters wrong. I wonder if all the flak might make the Board feel equally intransigent as well?

Plus of course, all this is absolute grist to the mill for the likes of that plum who wrote the recent article in the Mirror whose name temporarily escapes me.

This has been my biggest bugbear recently. Well said.

[leftfooter]

No Paul, and an excellent post.

"Wassock" "Prick" "T***" "Dead man walking" and "stupid grin" are just a few of the choice terma which have been bandied about to describe Ince within the last 48 hours. There's also been a call to arms for a demonstration at the Liverpool game.

Quite ridiculous and if anything, the level of abuse which was directed against Allardyce when he was linked with the job was even worse.

I think a lot of people have gone so far down the road of villifying Ince, they're terrified now at the possibility he might turn things round thereby making them look completely stupid. Hence they have gone more and more OTT with their criticism.

Quite what Ince or our more coveted players make of it, heaven only knows. They must be tempted to think "Why bother" and if Ince did get relieved of his duties at some point, any other manager following this m/b over the last few months would need his marbles testing if he was seriously contemplating taking over.

The treatment dished out to Ince has been so unjust I too am at the stage whereby I'm almost tempted towards backing him indefinitely for as long as he needs to prove the doubters wrong. I wonder if all the flak might make the Board feel equally intransigent as well?

Plus of course, all this is absolute grist to the mill for the likes of that plum who wrote the recent article in the Mirror whose name temporarily escapes me.

By planting your flag so firmly in the moral high ground, you’ve plainly allowed the lack of oxygen up there amongst the Gods to effect your memory and reason.

You reproach others for having the audacity to condignly criticise Ince’s abject leadership of a club he had previously publicly disrespected, yet for simply voicing his opinion, you casually revile Richard Dinnis, a gentleman who has forgotten more about Rovers than Ince will ever ever know, as a ‘miserable failure’ and our ‘worst ever manager’.

You really should take some of your own advice.

And as far as ‘backing him indefinitely for as long as he needs to prove the doubters wrong’; you’re starting to make yourself look ridiculous.

[dennis the menace]

Indeed. Welcome to his club.

thank you, ill remember that, when i meet your mother in our club of idiots.

[Athlete]

Having watched ssn today and seen that Ince has apparently asked for 6 more games to prove himself makes me feel sick.

6 more games under Ince and we could be dead and buried.

This really is a sad state of affairs.

does that mean 6 more games without winning ?????? get shut of the clown now ! But the law of averages says we are due a league win so he may get a stay of execution when we beat Wigan..............

[dennis the menace]

There has been a lot of very reasoned debate. Fans have talked about selling Bentley with no replacement sealed up beforehand, bewilderingly bad team selections, abysmal substitutions, lack of tactical nous,lame excuses after every loss, lousy defence and therefore coaching, aweful signings, huge list of injuries, appalling communication skills and ,above all, playing people out of position. How many more do you want? Posters don't list these everytime they post, they know them off by heart. They just say "get rid" and know that most of us know why.

exactly.. why bother doing a list everytime, its been done numerous times..

i didnt have a biased opinion about ince, none whatsoever, i thought he had a decent trackrecord in the lower leagues, and i was definetly prepared to give him a chance.. i recall the magic number, being 10 games for ince, that was said by the majority of posters, let him prove himself before you judge him.. i thought that was a reasonable suggestion.. so 10 games went and it was begginning to crack lige an eggshell.. yet again some said, he needs more time, he got more time, buthe has just lost the touch and its all going downhill.. SO ALL OF A SUDDEN ITS WRONG TO JUDGE INCE HARSHLY, ITS NOT A QUESTION OF JUDGING A BOOK BY ITS COVERS ANYMORE, WE HAVE 15 PREMIERSHIPGAMES TO JUDGE BY.. AND FRANKLY THATS MORE THEN ENOUGH..

all of a sudden, all people are against ince, all of a sudden, everything he is doing is wrong.. I WONDER WHY.. i believe his "trial" period at the club is up, and the consensus was 10 games, he has sadly showed no improvement..

im not one of those, who cringes because of his interviews, that part doestn matter to me, and i have never said anything about it.. can i understand why some shake their head at it, sure i can, but likewise, i can see why, some find it irritating, that everything he says is being attacked.. but he gives "speaches" to thousands of rovers fans, some are not happy with his interviews, some are, thats the way of the world, when your in a high profile job..

[gillibrand]

I watched a clip of Ice's interview on Sky, and the guy was an embarrassment to himself and our club, how JW could have appointed this gibbering idiot as our manager is beyond belief!

[chris]

I watched a clip of Ice's interview on Sky, and the guy was an embarrassment to himself and our club, how JW could have appointed this gibbering idiot as our manager is beyond belief!

i thought he came across well in the interview, you must be angry

I say give him until end of christmas

I would like to see Big Sam in though, was a mistake not to appoint him in the first place

[LanghoRover]

I watched a clip of Ice's interview on Sky, and the guy was an embarrassment to himself and our club, how JW could have appointed this gibbering idiot as our manager is beyond belief!

Your right mate the guy can't string a sentence together, anyone who thinks he did ok probably can't either....Then again the whole country has been dumbed down so when you look at Ince you are looking at the future.

[Sandiway Blue]

I think realistically he has until the end of the Wigan game,if we haven`t registered a win by then,then for me it`s time up.In some respects we are lucky that bar the top 6,the rest of the division are all as poor as each other,i think that alone has bought Ince more time than perhaps he might have had in previous years.

In a lot of ways it`s a shame,as i really want him to succeed and stick two fingers up to the media who definitely have an agenda against Rovers and Ince.

[Damage]

Plus of course, all this is absolute grist to the mill for the likes of that plum who wrote the recent article in the Mirror whose name temporarily escapes me.

What is? That people are sick and tired of a manager who has "led" our club to the bottom of the league with not a jot of hope for the future? And some naughty posters on an internet mb have the audacity to call him a pr1ck? Why are you so sensitive for Mr Ince's feelings? I've been called much worse during my life and I'm sure PI has heard much much worse during his lifetime. You and Paul(mb) and Mellilieu are beginning to sound like poor-me-by-proxy types! There is no issue here, just fans tired of losing and hoping for change before it is too late!

[only2garners]

so basically, your critisizing, ince criticisers.. just gotta love the irony..

and you stating "with very little reasoned debate", isnt that actually similar to claiming, that those peoples opinion isnt based on facts.. so i ask, what constitutes proper critisism..??

trying to be holy, while your doing exactly the same yourself, pointing fingers.. hmm ill just guess, that the resoned debate you were after, wasnt that important after all..

It's not criticism I have a problem with, it's abuse. There have been posters who have made valid points with facts, but right now they are being drowned out by streams of abuse.

And as if to prove my point, after my post, I've had a pm overnight that's just a pile of invective at me (not from dennis).

[Benni's Hot Pot]

I'm sure that there are people on here posting sensible, reasoned comments about why they think it's time for Paul Ince to leave. Similar to what RevidgeBlue said though, I'm inclined to back Ince more because of the sour taste left by the angry mob who have drowned out fair debate by taking every opportunity to (often needlessly) berate our manager.

The atmosphere at home on Saturday could be really unpleasant. If we lose, then no one will find it shocking if there is booing at the final whistle (Liverpool themselves were booed off after failing to beat West Ham the other night). But surely any kind of Ince Out protestation throughout the game will be counter-productive in terms of getting a result.

Some of the harsher words on here about Ince often come with the disclaimer '...but it's because I care' or are defended as a show of 'passion'. Surely then it makes sense to channel that sentiment into supporting the team rather than revelling in defeat, as I think some people do to satisfy their own sack the manager agenda.

[broadsword]

As I said yesterday, the best way to answer whingeing beggars like me is to start *WINNING*.

That's when you score more goals than the opposition does. You know, like we last did in the league on 27th September away to Newcastle.

Getting into a big girlie huff because some people are over-the-top in their criticism, and deciding to back him come what may is just as one-eyed as those who've always been against him even before he was appointed.

[thenodrog]

There's also been a call to arms for a demonstration at the Liverpool game.

THAT WAS WAGGY SPOILING FOR CONFRONTATION SIMON.

Quite what Ince or our more coveted players make of it, heaven only knows. They must be tempted to think "Why bother" and if Ince did get relieved of his duties at some point, any other manager following this m/b over the last few months would need his marbles testing if he was seriously contemplating taking over.

WHY BOTHER? 30K PER WEEK FOR UNQUALIFIED PART TIME LABOUR? WHY INDEED?

Plus of course, all this is absolute grist to the mill for the likes of that plum who wrote the recent article in the Mirror whose name temporarily escapes me.

OLIVER HOLT ?

[Damage]

Some people had enough of a problem with Ince being a black manager...

That's such a crass comment! I'm sure some people DO have a problem with PI's colour but I have not seen one comment to that effect on this mb and more relevant I have NEVER once heard anyone inside ewood park denigrating ince's colour. People only comment on performance.

Other people with a different agenda are the only ones talking about colour! It is their "project" that is patronising and obscene to any right-thinking person - to me there is just an underperforming football manager that needs to be made redundant (with handsome contract paid in full so no tears please). It happens to thousands every month of the year.

[BuckyRover]

Your right mate the guy can't string a sentence together, anyone who thinks he did ok probably can't either....Then again the whole country has been dumbed down so when you look at Ince you are looking at the future.

Says the BNP activist......