[Archived] Paul Ince

[tony gale's mic]

Your right mate the guy can't string a sentence together, anyone who thinks he did ok probably can't either....Then again the whole country has been dumbed down so when you look at Ince you are looking at the future.

You're living proof of this dumbing down.

[tcj_jones]

Why is Paul Ince all over Sky Sports News and all over Sky Sports web site every single bloody day?! He seems almost star struck. Instead of talking to the cameras every five minutes, he should keep his head down and concentrate on team affairs.

A win at United could be the result which saves his job, for now. I hope he and the team are up for the occasion.

[thenodrog]

That's such a crass comment! I'm sure some people DO have a problem with PI's colour but I have not seen one comment to that effect on this mb and more relevant I have NEVER once heard anyone inside ewood park denigrating ince's colour. People only comment on performance.

Other people with a different agenda are the only ones talking about colour! It is their "project" that is patronising and obscene to any right-thinking person - to me there is just an underperforming football manager that needs to be made redundant (with handsome contract paid in full so no tears please). It happens to thousands every month of the year.

Correct. The only people that continually bring up any possible issue of his skin colour appear to be those with a heavily PC agenda. I'd wager that the vast majority of normal people couldn't give a stuff what colour he is. Does anybody think that this thread and others would be running if we were in the top 8?

I acknowledge that I criticised his appointment from about day -7 when it was first mooted that he was under consideration. It was sweet FA to do with him being black, and all to do with my own foresight and intuition in recognising his unsuitability in terms of personality, character and ability.

At the end of the day all that matters in football is results and we are not bloody well getting them! Rem if we had not benefitted from a huge slice of luck scoring injury time goals v Everton and Boro he would be gone now. And that is as close to fact as one can get.

[Majiball]

"As for John Williams, he has done nothing but back me. We all know where we are, but we also know we've got games to rectify that.

"As long as you've the support of the chairman, that's all that matters."

But do you?

SO ALL OF A SUDDEN ITS WRONG TO JUDGE INCE HARSHLY, ITS NOT A QUESTION OF JUDGING A BOOK BY ITS COVERS ANYMORE, WE HAVE 15 PREMIERSHIPGAMES TO JUDGE BY.. AND FRANKLY THATS MORE THEN ENOUGH..

Critise yes, insult and ridicule NO. Its fair we've given him a decent time period to give us hope, he has failed to deliver. but regardless of what he has done he does not deserve to be insulted/ridiculed.

I watched a clip of Ice's interview on Sky, and the guy was an embarrassment to himself and our club, how JW could have appointed this gibbering idiot as our manager is beyond belief!

I don't expect anything else. Me and Jal had a PM chat about his demeanour early on in his Rovers career. The pressure is getting to him, Ince is the type of person to take it all too heart. He has struggled all season in front of the camera's almost like he is scared of what will transpire from this interview, I would not be surprised to hear him do a Kinnear soon. Every word, body movement is being analysised/read into by all savage, and I thought doing presentations to 500+ was nerve-racking.

I've seen the most confident of people go to pot in a presentation, its very daunting knowing that everyone in the room is focused on you, add in several million viewers, its enough to make anyone weak at the knees. Constant bad press, bad results, rumours have finally made him crack. Ince was almost in tears against Pompey, he must be trying hard to get that reaction its just not working. His best is just not good enough at present, something he will have to deal with and he will punish himself enough.

[Atty]

Its not the case of not supporting your team its a home game and fans are going to voice there opinions and there concerns about the management team and according to most of the feedback across message boards and the local paper alot of fans want Ince out and the only way to let the board and JW know is on Saturday.

Ince has had plenty of time 15 games and an awful pre season and still I cant see nothing in Ince and his staff to get us out of this mess.

You do not become a bad side overnight so who to blame for this mess.

We have no passion in the side the fitness is shocking, tactically we are awful and the lack of direction and organisation is worrying at times.

Also we can not afford to give him anymore money FFS, he thinks that blobby fowler can still win a contract THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES he should be sent packing to Grimsby.

All I can see is that we will just end up with more lower league players as admitted in interviews by Ince and not the quality we need within our budget to stay in this league.

So For my Ince has to go and the only way to let the club what we think is Saturday

[leftfooter]

Says the BNP activist......

Your remark is a crude but classic example of the tired but voluble leftist currently infesting the public institutions of this country.

Lose the overall argument (you still asserting that relegation would not be so catastrophic Buckyrover, eh?), and inevitably resort to insult and smear against the character of your opponent.

If that's really the best you can do, I wonder what on earth they are teaching these days at university.

I really think you should retract such a slur against LanghoRover.

[tony gale's mic]

Your remark is a crude but classic example of the tired but voluble leftist currently infesting the public institutions of this country.

Lose the overall argument (you still asserting that relegation would not be so catastrophic Buckyrover, eh?), and inevitably resort to insult and smear against the character of your opponent.

If that's really the best you can do, I wonder what on earth they are teaching these days at university.

I really think you should retract such a slur against LanghoRover.

Considering the man has stated he is a BNP activist before, and has said he's "knocked a few Reds around to teach them a lesson", I think it was a pretty fair comment.

[dennis the menace]

It's not criticism I have a problem with, it's abuse. There have been posters who have made valid points with facts, but right now they are being drowned out by streams of abuse.

And as if to prove my point, after my post, I've had a pm overnight that's just a pile of invective at me (not from dennis).

what constitutes abuse mate, by that i mean when it comes to ince..?

really.. have other fans pm´ed you with such utterly crap.. thats just stupid, and im glad, that you mentioned im not one of them

[my_name_is_Earl]

I'm sure that there are people on here posting sensible, reasoned comments about why they think it's time for Paul Ince to leave. Similar to what RevidgeBlue said though, I'm inclined to back Ince more because of the sour taste left by the angry mob who have drowned out fair debate by taking every opportunity to (often needlessly) berate our manager.

The atmosphere at home on Saturday could be really unpleasant. If we lose, then no one will find it shocking if there is booing at the final whistle (Liverpool themselves were booed off after failing to beat West Ham the other night). But surely any kind of Ince Out protestation throughout the game will be counter-productive in terms of getting a result.

Some of the harsher words on here about Ince often come with the disclaimer '...but it's because I care' or are defended as a show of 'passion'. Surely then it makes sense to channel that sentiment into supporting the team rather than revelling in defeat, as I think some people do to satisfy their own sack the manager agenda.

I think most fans will stay behind the boys. Or is it just me who thinks that the fans are wholly behind the players? (as demonstrated at the final whistle against Portsmouth). In fact, if there's any booing it won't be the players that are being booed but the absolutely shambolic management team that is piecing together the tactics. Any booing should be saved for the final whistle and the management team. Ince has already written off that result btw...

[dennis the menace]

name='Majiball' date='Dec 3 2008, 11:23 ' post='700225

Critise yes, insult and ridicule NO. Its fair we've given him a decent time period to give us hope, he has failed to deliver. but regardless of what he has done he does not deserve to be insulted/ridiculed.

well that depends on what you find insulting, if ive gone and done my girlfriend mad, because ive yet again comitted the same mistake, im well aware, that she might say im stupid and it was a stupid thing to do.. do i find it insulting, hell no, i understand where she is coming from, perhaps in the heat of the moment, she would be shouting it too

perhaps we should realize, that eventhough some writes, ince is this and ince is that, its probably done in the heat of the moment, which again is understandable.. its feelings, so offcourse some are responding harshly, feelings and logics ,doesnt always go hand in hand.

so if someone chooses to call ince an idiot, in the heat of the moment, is that really that awful.. we are talking about someone, who is writing on the internet for christ sake, and saying ince is a fool, in the state of this world, i could find something more horrible, by looking at my kitchen sink

ive read the majority of the ince thread, and to mee, the debate has been fine.. yes there have been some stupid post, as there have been som naive, but as said the debate to mee, has been fine, most if the time..

[leftfooter]

Considering the man has stated he is a BNP activist before, and has said he's "knocked a few Reds around to teach them a lesson", I think it was a pretty fair comment.

Then LanghoRover is a bigger fool than Buckyrover.

And that's saying something...

[leftfooter]

Critise yes, insult and ridicule NO. Its fair we've given him a decent time period to give us hope, he has failed to deliver. but regardless of what he has done he does not deserve to be insulted/ridiculed.

Anybody in the public eye, earning a big fat salary (at our expense to boot) should be open to ridicule and even insult, as long as it doesn't stray in to the realms of that person's family life, gender or race.

Whatever next; court orders and injunctions preventing us reading about Max Mosley (privileged aristocratic son of infamous black-shirted fascist protected by the Establishment) in kinky concentration camp prostitution scandal?

'Nuff said

[G Somerset Rover]

The treatment dished out to Ince has been so unjust I too am at the stage whereby I'm almost tempted towards backing him indefinitely for as long as he needs to prove the doubters wrong. I wonder if all the flak might make the Board feel equally intransigent as well?

See you at Championship grounds across the country then Rev.

That's what will happen if we persist with Ince. How many more losses will people deem acceptable?!

For some it seems that if we lost every game until Christmas (a distinct possibility at present) then Ince should still be in charge.

[den]

The treatment dished out to Ince has been so unjust I too am at the stage whereby I'm almost tempted towards backing him indefinitely for as long as he needs to prove the doubters wrong.

C'mon Rev, you're better than that.

There are two issues here. Maybe some people didn't want Ince to succeed and wanted rovers to lose games under him, to prove a point. I don't know about that, but surely it can't be that many.

Then there's the other side, where people who have blindly backed him and wouldn't accept any kind of negativity against Ince, are now begrudging in the face of Ince's failings so far, and are unable to think they might have judged the situation wrong.

As I said a while ago, Ince's appointment was one of the most divisive appointments of recent years. It's showing on this m/b and everywhere you read fans comments.

Big shame.

[Atty]

Some people want us to blindly support the team don't voice our concerns and ignore all Ince faults and mistakes give him more time and let him spend money in the transfer window. And if you don't like him its because of his colour of his skin not the fact the he is a awful football manager.

Then it gets to late Ince has blown money on lower league players while we are playing in the championship and by all possibility Burnley could be in the Premier league.

[gillibrand]

What frightens me is that all these extra games that are going by is condemning us to the Championship, a place that with our finances we could not get out of, and it is no good saying ooh I didn't expect this to happen or I wish we had got Big Sam when we had the chance because when you are down there no one will want to know us!

[dopper69]

Can't believe that Burnley have beat as many Premier League teams as we have in the league. That's sickening.

[Iceman]

C'mon Rev, you're better than that.

There are two issues here. Maybe some people didn't want Ince to succeed and wanted rovers to lose games under him, to prove a point. I don't know about that, but surely it can't be that many.

Then there's the other side, where people who have blindly backed him and wouldn't accept any kind of negativity against Ince, are now begrudging in the face of Ince's failings so far, and are unable to think they might have judged the situation wrong.

As I said a while ago, Ince's appointment was one of the most divisive appointments of recent years. It's showing on this m/b and everywhere you read fans comments.

Big shame.

Thats about right Den.... Even on the official message board, it seems the majority want Ince out... I believe Ince has been given a fair amount of games to prove his worth, he has failed to deliver. I just have the feeling that JW, is holding onto hope that Ince can turn things around, in order for him to not look like having made the biggest balls up in aquiring Ince as our manager. Its no time to be Mr Nice Guy, its time to admit to your mistakes and move on.

[Jan]

Little tale, pertinent to the current situation. My students union decided it needed more women board members (god knows why as there were loads of us already) so set up women only seats. Those of us who believe all people should be equal, rather than some more equal than others, fought against this and decided to do this by standing in the mixed seats to see if we'd win. Unsurprisingly, when it came to voting, we did. no-one filled the women-only seats and they were abandoned. If you're competent at what you do, you'll rise up without the "helping hand" that is discrimination.

Why is that relevant? There are some members of the mb who are like the stupid women (and "right on" men) who thought we "needed a hand". If Ince was white, with all else being equal he'd already have gone. However since such a song and dance was made over his appointment, people are trying to bend over backwards to find positives. Have you ever heard before of a manager being told that he can stay but his backroom staff is crap and has to go? I can't remember a situation- maybe it's really, really common, but I cannot remember it.

If Jack was still here and we were in this situation, the manager would be gone. Because unlike Williams, he made decisions.

[Darth Paul]

That's such a crass comment! I'm sure some people DO have a problem with PI's colour but I have not seen one comment to that effect on this mb and more relevant I have NEVER once heard anyone inside ewood park denigrating ince's colour. People only comment on performance.

Other people with a different agenda are the only ones talking about colour! It is their "project" that is patronising and obscene to any right-thinking person - to me there is just an underperforming football manager that needs to be made redundant (with handsome contract paid in full so no tears please). It happens to thousands every month of the year.

Please read the statement in the context of the post it was in. It is very dangerous to read half of something before replying, the outcome could be that you look very silly!

[Darth Paul]

Correct. The only people that continually bring up any possible issue of his skin colour appear to be those with a heavily PC agenda. I'd wager that the vast majority of normal people couldn't give a stuff what colour he is. Does anybody think that this thread and others would be running if we were in the top 8?

I acknowledge that I criticised his appointment from about day -7 when it was first mooted that he was under consideration. It was sweet FA to do with him being black, and all to do with my own foresight and intuition in recognising his unsuitability in terms of personality, character and ability.

At the end of the day all that matters in football is results and we are not bloody well getting them! Rem if we had not benefitted from a huge slice of luck scoring injury time goals v Everton and Boro he would be gone now. And that is as close to fact as one can get.

Wow clearly touched a couple of raw nerves here (interesting), if you associate the fact that I mentioned Ince's skin colour was made a deal of at the time of his appointment, with any form of crassness or racism, intended or not on my part, in the context of a humourous quip about appointing a being from Neptune as our manager, then I think you may be the one with a heavy PC agenda.

I suggest your reaction, as well as Damages seems a little too "overcompensating".

Meanwhile back on Earth...

[LDRover]

Wow clearly touched a couple of raw nerves here (interesting), if you associate the fact that I mentioned Ince's skin colour was made a deal of at the time of his appointment, with any form of crassness or racism, intended or not on my part, in the context of a humourous quip about appointing a being from Neptune as our manager, then I think you may be the one with a heavy PC agenda.

I suggest your reaction, as well as Damages seems a little too "overcompensating".

Meanwhile back on Earth...

Got to be honest, I've got issues with the constant reference to Ince being black.

In my opinion he's more a deep beige.

[thenodrog]

Big shame.

You may need to add .... 'for the club' Den.

[Damage]

Please read the statement in the context of the post it was in. It is very dangerous to read half of something before replying, the outcome could be that you look very silly!

I understood the context of your quote perfectly - you were trying to be humourous regarding a previous poster suggesting he couldn't care less about the race of our manager as long as performance was adequate, and suggested that even a Neptunian would be OK. Then you tried to infer (for comedy effect) that there was an adverse reaction to Ince being black when he was appointed. Now bearing in mind that there are "forces" at work that would cast aspertions on BRFC and its supporters as a bunch of racist-neanderthals, then I would consider your attempt at humour to be CRASS as stated in my original post.

BRFC (club and fans) have enough enemies already without presenting them with ill-thought anecdotal gems whether intended in jest or not.

[BuckyRover]

Then LanghoRover is a bigger fool than Buckyrover.

And that's saying something...

Is that an apology or just the realisation that you and Langho are singing from the same hymnsheet?

I still love the fact that supporting the manager makes you a fool.

Anyway, a win tonight would be nice but unlikely, Liverpool I have written off (although we need to give it a good go), then we have Wigan and Stoke. We have to be out of the bottom 3 after those matches otherwise Ince should leave (be given the boot), as long as a suitable replacement has been sorted out.

Ince has his back against the wall, the players need to remember they are playing the for club and not just the manager. They have to take responsibility for this mess too.

I still get a strange feeling that everything is going suddenly click into place. I hope this is not misplaced. There is something very unusual about a team so low on confidence that can score two goals after from home after conceding two nightmares ones. Admittedly they screwed it up before the final whistle, but it is not as if we are getting thumped game after game.

Welcome to "the crunch", Mr Ince; this is your time