[Archived] Paul Ince

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Mr Williams and the Rovers board members...............

ARE YOU LISTENING TO THE FANS? PLEASE RECTIFY THIS SITUATION ASAP BEFORE ITS TOO LATE FOR THIS GREAT OLD CLUB

[allrovertheworld]

I was very pro Ince when he was appointed...I have tried to stick with him and have not posted my views(altho I don't post that much) as I wanted to see how things work out.

I can understand that we lose games but its the manner we are losing them and the fact that we are always fielding different teams each week. The signing of Fowler and Andrews(who again I gave a chance) just make no sense, but then Robinson was a great bit of business. What worries me the most is that players like samba, Nelsen and Rocky are looking average when they were always so good for us and players we could depend on.

I am a very mild mannered fan and like to think i know football well, but Ince needs to go and an experienced manager needs to take over. Ince does not understand the premiership and this is evident in his gung ho attitude.

[percy]

Spot on, stuwilky.

Time for someone to knock this on the head before the situation gets beyond rescue.

We gambled on Ince being a success and failed. No shame in admitting it didn't work out and moving on. Wigan and Bolton did the right thing when it became obvious things were going wrong for them, I hope those responsible at Ewood can act as decisively too.

[Amo]

Let's face it, he's gonna have till the Liverpool game at least. They'll be hoping Ince can turn it around at another one of his former clubs, only for Rovers to be spanked again.

[LanghoRover]

Then LanghoRover is a bigger fool than Buckyrover.

And that's saying something...

Did I mention I had £500 at 12/1 on us getting relegated the day he took over?....That's how confident I was he would bugger it up.........And how right I was.

[roverfanuk]

Have just sent the following to John Williams:

Dear John Williams (Chairman Blackburn Rovers FC),

I have been a life-long loyal Blackburn Rovers fan since my childhood, and I have stuck by the club through thick and thin. Even including travelling from the South Coast of England to watch matches in London, Portsmouth, the midlands... I also have an existing membership with the online fan club to watch highlights and interviews...

I am very upset with the current state of the club. I understand you may have received emails/messages from other fans stating their unhappiness at the situation. But I type this message due to quite frankly running out of patience and energy. I have never felt this bad for the club. Even during our relegation season, the players which we had played their hearts out, but obviously the quality wasn't there. We have the quality now, but the passion under the current management is absent.

Paul Ince is bringing the club to the beginnings of destruction. I know this might sound melodramatic. But let me say the following.

How can a football team who finished 7th one season, be second from bottom of the table approaching the midway of the next season. We have lost 2 players, one of which we have brought in a very capable replacement in the form of Paul Robinson. The simple fact of the matter is, Paul Ince is just not up for the job and neither is his coaching staffs.

Firstly, allow me to say that I was one of the people who reacted angrily with regards to certain campaigns against Paul Ince's appointment. Much like Mark Hughes, I felt he deserved a chance to prove what he was worth in a management role in the Premier League.

He has however in my opinion failed. We cannot risk further matches at the hands of this manager and current coaching staff, nor can we risk giving him further transfer funds to sign new players in January.

The signings of the likes of Robbie Fowler, Keith Andrews and Vince Grella have had a very very negative impact on Rovers fans whether you like to hear so or not. Robbie Fowler has blatantly not got what it takes to maintain his position in a top 10 Premier League team, and Keith Andrews has been shown to be struggling with the transition of pace into this league.

I cannot for the life of me understand what Johann Vogel has done to force him out of the team. He was doing a superb job last season considering how behind he was, and was looking like he was only getting better with age.

As for Vince Grella, considering the clubs apparent financial state in the transfer market, I find it a huge blunder that the club has/had chosen to invest around about 5 million pounds on a 29 year old footballer with an apparent history of injury problems, which have again become apparent over the first half of this season. Also, considering the huge lack of pace we have in midfield, I question the reasoning of signing another player who lacks pace.

Further to this, with regards to Mr Grella, we already have a group of players who suffer long term injury problems in the form of David Dunn and Steven Reid. This again makes me struggle to understand why such a risky player was chosen as a good option to sign during the summer.

With regards to transfers, I have to question Paul Ince's logic in selling David Bentley during the summer, and leaving the club dependent on Brett Emerton, a player who has struggled with his preferred playing position at right midfield although he has been very good in central midfield and on the vast majority of matches a very capable right back. A loan signing for right midfield should have at least been established. I find Ince's excuse of not having time since his arrival to find a decent replacement very thin indeed. Considering firstly his intentions during that time, of managing one day soon in the Premier League. I would have thought it only logical that he would have the knowledge of players who could serve in the league. Bringing in players from League One or players with a lack of pace suitable for the premier league, for large amounts of money was never the answer.

Quite frankly, I could go on about our poor performances in Goal, Defence, Midfield and up front till the cows come home! But what it comes down to is overall team morale (which is apparently low) and performances on the pitch, which the manager has to take responsibility for. He just hasn't for filled anyone's expectations or requirements.

I make note of the recent post-match conferences, in which Paul Ince's views have been very positive about performances, and very reflective of so called 'harsh decisions' for sending’s off, and red cards. These post match reviews have had Rovers fans including me, cringing due to their inaccuracies. For example, Ince's opinion that Olsson's sending off via a second yellow card vs. Tottenham Hotspur was harsh. This, a decision the vast majority of Rovers fans agree with from what I have read on several message boards and friends I have personally spoken too.

As a retired footballer and managing hopeful, a manager/leader needs to stop putting poor performances down to the, referee's/linesman, overall player performance, single mistakes, lady luck etc, and sometimes admit that the choice of tactics was wrong, but they will learn from it. Something I note Ince has not done since his appointment at the club.

I must please ask you... As a Rovers fan at heart. You surely can't let this continue?! You surely can't let this continue further and hurt the fans so...

How much longer is this manager going to be given to prove he is up for the job? I cannot see how he can rectify this situation. As I type this message, we have just conceded a further 5 goals against the Manchester United B team in the Carling Cup, a team that made 10 changes from it's regular Premier League side excluding Cristiano Ronaldo altogether through suspension. We meanwhile took 4 players out the Premier League squad whilst playing with our star striker upfront. We have now been knocked out of the Carling Cup proper after putting in a very half hearted and heads lowered in doubt styled manner.

This now leaves Blackburn (Paul Ince) with a record of 19 games played (excluding friendlies), 6 won, 9 lost and 4 games drawn with 35 goals conceded in 19 games! A record that is horrific in any league or competition!

With regards to the tactics employed by our manager, match performances and results. I plead with you; take the goals conceded ratio into account. Our defence hasn’t changed at all since last season. Yet Mr Ince continues to play players out of position, which has quite obviously affected our stats this season.

He has insisted that we play 'pretty' open flowing football. Something a team of our size finds difficult to undertake. A method and style of football that leaves us wide open for counter attack and has proved costly in conceding goals of late.

I have said this on many occasion, a team of our size needs to be careful and controlled on the pitch. The defence needs to close down the opposition and be ready to at all times, and not be left open to open attack!

I would much rather we achieved results through playing ugly football, then play pretty football and concede.

I maintain that I can’t understand how this can be allowed to continue. Their are surely better options to pursue at this time. Whether this means essential early change be carried out. It has to be done.

It just simply is not good enough. We should take a look at Burnley FC for guidance on how to proceed. As a Rovers fan you know it pains me to say this. But they have a manager with excellent experience and passion in Owen Coyle. A manager who is obviously going to go onto better things!

His team plays their games one at a time, and he manages to get the best out of his players. Paul Ince does not quite frankly hold a candle to Mr Coyle, and I would love it if a man of his stature and presence was to become the manager of Rovers some day. He has a sharp eye for footballers who will advance the squad. These are Premier League quality players for reasonable fees such as Chris Eagles.

This club in this current situation needs a manager with experience. Someone who has experience at the highest level. I really do think handing the very future of the club to a manager with this lacking in experience is a blunder. I also feel giving him further time after a streak of 10 games without victory could prove costly!

I understand you made a difficult and risky choice in the appointment of Mr Ince. I get the impression his enthusiasm you spoke of when Mr Ince was appointed was a major effect on your decision, and I really can understand why he was signed, but as my friend has recently said to me. Any person can be enthusiastic/excited about a massive opportunity to follow in the trails of a success story (Mr Hughes), but more often than not, that enthusiasm is replaced by upset and panic when the full task is realised.

I worry however that Paul Ince will be given further time, and as is reflected in a online poll on one of the Blackburn Rovers message boards, 19.05% have indicated that Paul Ince should be backed. The majority, 76.87% feel that Ince should be removed from his position. 4.08% have even indicated they feel Mr Ince might crack under the pressure. If this situation is left to continue, you could find a large transfer budget has been spent by a manager who most likely won’t be able to succeed this season.

Please, find a new manager before their is no time for the much needed signings need to be made in January. Bearing in mind that if a decision is made later, any new manager will have less time to decide on these much needed January transfers.

If action is not taken to rectify this situation, when an answer is so easily conjured, I feel I must remove my paid membership from the clubs online website until the removal of Ince happens.

I know this might not have an impact or relevance, but it breaks my heart to see what is happening to the club, and I cannot in all honesty continue to be a part of the website and view these horrible match highlights, or listen to my team being destroyed from the inside out via 'Radio Rovers'.

I do understand you can only say so much if you choose to reply to my email. I just hope that my opinion, and i'm sure the opinions of others who I know have emailed you on this issue, have an impact or bearing on how the club continues.

Thank you for your attention, and I look forward to a reply.

[PAFELL]

I was very pro Ince when he was appointed...I have tried to stick with him and have not posted my views(altho I don't post that much) as I wanted to see how things work out.

I can understand that we lose games but its the manner we are losing them and the fact that we are always fielding different teams each week. The signing of Fowler and Andrews(who again I gave a chance) just make no sense, but then Robinson was a great bit of business. What worries me the most is that players like samba, Nelsen and Rocky are looking average when they were always so good for us and players we could depend on.

I am a very mild mannered fan and like to think i know football well, but Ince needs to go and an experienced manager needs to take over. Ince does not understand the premiership and this is evident in his gung ho attitude.

I also was for giving Ince a chance - so far we have waitied and waited for better things- but after a third of the season has gone I now see that Ince has to got no idea what he is doing. Ince was the first black manager to be appointed in the prem - now he should be the first black manager to be sacked in the prem. But this would not because of colour but ability as a manager of a premiership club. INCE OUT NOW

[Kremmin]

The time to take action has already passed. We are now just adding insult to injury.

To not relieve Ince of his post immediately would be negligent in the extreme.

[JAL]

Probably due to his own actions when appointing Paul Ince, John Williams probably doesnt have the room to be able to fire Paul Ince as it would seriously undermine his own ability and credibility.

Just dont think John Williams can do anything but hes going to have witness the fans reaction first hand on saturday IF Rovers fail to beat Liverpool and take action otherwise Rovers will look like a leaderless club sinking into the abyss.

[allanncd]

Can John Williams just stop and think what Ince is doing right? Team play and organisation - no. Knowledge of transfer market (in the way that say Harry has knowledge) - no. So without these basic qualities (and with rumblings of player discontent he must have heard or he's not doing his job properly) what is the reason for keping Ince at his post?

[JAL]

I may be wrong, but wasn't the decision to appoint him "voted" for by the Board of Directors, and not just JW's decision?

In JW I (still) trust.

Yes El Tombro, but what i'm implying is JW has probably said something during the interview/appointment stage that he'd be undermining is own credibility by sacking Ince now.

or whatever has gone on then JW CANT sack Ince now.

[thenodrog]

Date: 3rd December, 2008.

From: Blackburn Rovers supporters everywhere.

Subject: Paul Ince, manager

Sir,

Further to my email of 30th Nov after Saturday's hapless defeat may I again ask after tonight's humiliating 5-3 Carling Cup exit at Old Trafford how much longer you are going to allow Paul Ince to drag my beloved club into the mire ?

I believe I am not the only supporter who believes that the the club under the present manager is sleepwalking towards relegation from the Premier League and that the board needs to act immediately if the club is to have any chance of survival.

I look forward to your early reply.

Yours faithfully,

Victor.............. Do you know for certain if the future of the manager is in JW's hands? For all you know you may be emailing the wrong guy.

[sharptommy]

right quick reply.......everyone is against ince but.......

the players have responsibility as well: -

+ samba playin like a Fking fridge freezer against Defoe

+ santa cruz not giving a fk (wife been mugged to be fair)

+ robinson positioning absolutely abysmal game after game (despite excellent shot stoppin)

+ warnock missing chance on chance (not a midfielder btw)

+ players everywhere givin silly fouls away (penalties, tottenham etc)

+ pederson playin absolute gash

+ tevez is 1-2 goal with anderson ripped apart 3 or 4 players like school GIRLS

+ generally sht play apart from, of course, TUGAY

paul ince is making abysmal decisions and looks completely out of his depth but the players need to turn up as well.....just a thought!

[Sandiway Blue]

I said earlier this week That by the end of the Wigan game we will need to have a win under our belts if Ince is to survive.Well after tonight in conceeding 5 goals then i have finally been convinced he isn`t up to it,maybe the job came too soon for him,i don`t know,but any manager with any bit of knowledge must know they cannot keep conceeding goals in the manner we are doing.I really did want him to succeed but unless there is a dramatic turnaround sharpish then he simply has to go.

[thenodrog]

I was very pro Ince when he was appointed...

Another one. Why on earth where you?

and another....

I also was for giving Ince a chance -

and another...

Have just sent the following to John Williams:

All bravely owning up to a mistake. Well done but can any of you give me a solid reason other than collective euphoria / blind misplaced optimism?

[roverfanuk]

Paul Ince facing the sack: http://bettingchoice.co.uk/paul-ince-facing-sack-893.php

Please god let it be true!

Just read it, Whoops!

It has been reported that Paul Ince has just got 6 more games to save his job at Eastwood park

[oozy]

What exactly is JW's email address?

Might as well join the bandwagon.

Hopefully, if he gets enough e-mails, it'll make him see the light

[patrickvalery]

All bravely owning up to a mistake. Well done but can any of you give me a solid reason other than collective euphoria / blind misplaced optimism?

thenodrog, i myself was extremely excited by the Ince arrival. I distinctly remember phoning my brother in ecstasy to gloat. But in hindsight i don't have a clue why. I suppose his achievements before he came here were extremely good in context. And as bad as he is doing now, those feats cannot be taken away from him.

I think i just imagined we might actually resemble a side who played with the same vigour and determination which Ince himself used to portray. If i'm honest i always quite liked our bully boy tag from 3 years ago. I guess i felt Ince would bring some bite to the side. How wrong i was.

I think this is a huge part of his decline. He seems to have lost all of that. I never get the impression he rules with an iron fist. I don't think the players respect, fear or like him. His stubborn attitude is one which could be accepted if atleast half the squad supported it. But Ince and his posse of under qualified and unsuccesful staff are the only ones who seem to believe in whats happening. The fans don't and the players sure as sh1t don't. I consider myself to be extremely level headed, but i just cannot see any truth in his views. We aren't playing good football, there are no positive signs and a win isn't just around the corner.

I am big enough and ugly enough to admit i was wrong in my support of his appointment. I only wish that JW is able to do the same.

[walk down bolton road]

Dear John,

Time to put your cards on the table. Go to the trustees and say we need to have a change. This cheaper option has not worked out one bit. I am asking the trust to release substantial funds in the memory of Jack to save his beleagured club. It's obvious we have to change the manager now and won't attract a top quality one unless we have a transfer kitty. You backed us with £14m for Grabbi and Cole when we really needed a top class striker and now we need the same level of backing again. The no cost option is not an option any more. Tell them the club will follow Southampton and Leeds into oblivion without this support and then tell them wthout this support you will have no option but to hand them your resignation.

Great post Prof.

[Iceman]

It really is a big disgrace at the moment. I will be sending my email to jw as well. Ince out

[Nayef]

Paul Ince will most likely remain at the helm for the rest of the season.

And Blackburn Rovers will most likely get relegated this season - something I suspected when Paul Ince first stepped into Mark Hughes's empty seat.

We all know which striker is going to jump ship - the real question is...which one of the MK Dons strikers will Paul Ince bring in to replace him??

[Athlete]

Richard Dinis on radio Lancashire last night analysed where Rovers points came from this season Everton away - who started the season struggling having to use kids

Fulham at home -who also started season struggling we got a late lucky winner

newcastle away - couldn't have got a better time to play them as they were in total dissaray

But where are our Next 3 points coming from ???

liverpool ? dont think so

Wigan ? on a good run at the moment

Stoke ? probably the hardest premiership side to play against

he mentioned players out of position IE : Derbyshire out wide when he's a striker

Basically He means INCE OUT but couldnt blatanly come out with it

JW ; Get rid of him now before its too late shipping 5 against Utd's 2nd string which contained household names like Gibson and manucho is not good enougth !

INCE OUT INCE OUT

[leftfooter]

Another one. Why on earth where you?

and another....

and another...

All bravely owning up to a mistake. Well done but can any of you give me a solid reason other than collective euphoria / blind misplaced optimism?

I am happy to enter this Hall of Shame, with the qualification that I did oppose his appointment in principle (and stated so) due to his gratuitous attack on the club whilst he was at Inter Milan.

Once appointed however, there wasn't anything for it but to get behind him and the team, despite my misgivings.

I think that view was fairly representative of the majority of fans, who were hardly enthused by his appointment.

Evidence and results have shown that he isn’t up to the job.

The ‘mistake’ wasn’t ours though surely? That privilege falls squarely on the shoulders of John Williams and the other members of the Board who in their wisdom actually appointed him.

They are the ones to whom the question should be addressed; when will they own up to their mistake?

[Athlete]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,13864_4585411,00.html

ince blames defenders - what is winterburn doing ?

Sack Ince and his shambolic backroom staff now

[Bobby G]

Now suddenly cause of two games we are scoring goals. He forgets that we have possibly one of the worst scoring records in the league right now.

And that was a dead cert penalty. Ooijer shoved him with both hands. No excuses.