[Archived] Paul Ince

[broadsword]

It's 6 games AFTER the Liverpool game, isn't it?

I'm sure benit8ez was watching the game on Wednesday, there'll be plenty of things to exploit if we play like that again.

[gillibrand]

The frightening thought is that the board may leave it until we are virtually relegated before they have the gum shun to change the manager?

[Guest Kamy100]

Ince not happy:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4592579,00.html

Tomorrow is big game for Rovers, as ever the club has my 100% support (that includes the manager) if we can win that will help to restore a bit of confidence and more importantly give us 3 much needed points. The arguments about should Ince be manager etc are not important tomorrow, the only things that is important is that A) all of us get behind the team B. the team sweat blood for the cause.

[Atty]

All those who think Ince should be given time are either deluded or haven't seen much of Rovers this season. I'm sorry but the majority of performances this season have been nothing short of woeful. Even in the victories, tactically there is a lot to question. Physically, we have been short, a complete lack of a pressing game is allowing players to run through us at will and we are completely vulnerable at the back.

Physically we are way behind the levels required, tactically we are inept of late, we are picking the wrong players for the wrong positions (injury crisis or not). I can't believe some people feel Ince has any more to offer. He has been here since mid-summer and has had five or so months to even simply retain the squad's levels of fitness yet, to a blind man, they are way short.

Whilst I admire the enthusiasm and the character of the players for not giving up in games and Ince's positive (if not delusional) attitude towards our immediate future, the performance against United was the final straw as 400 odd other fans who were there will agree with. The players heads finally dropped, it appears they to have lost faith in Ince (as have a large selection of fans) and it is because of this that Ince will never get us out of this situation and therefore needs to go.

I actually like his character and even Keith Andrews has been an ok signing in my opinion but he has lost the majority of the fans and seemingly now the players. I will still go to every game as I always do and I'll still be singing for the players but for me Ince is a dead man walking.

P.S. Well done to all those Rovers fans who completely outsung United on Wednesday. That level of support is superb and shows how strongly the fans are still behind the players.

Totally agree with this anyone who has seen a lot of us this seasons knows how crap we have been this season.

But there still some who have there head in the sand or they need to go to specsavers.

What's makes you think Ince is suddenly going to become a tactical genius. And we suddenly go from being crap and been getting worse every game suddenly to a half decent team.

[Sparky Marky]

Even Fergie's getting involved...He says that Ince should be given more time....

That's cos he's now guaranteed 3 points when they play us now...Rovers used to be a problem for Utd. It's all going wrong.

[Atty]

Ince not happy:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4592579,00.html

Tomorrow is big game for Rovers, as ever the club has my 100% support (that includes the manager) if we can win that will help to restore a bit of confidence and more importantly give us 3 much needed points. The arguments about should Ince be manager etc are not important tomorrow, the only things that is important is that A) all of us get behind the team B. the team sweat blood for the cause.

B. the team sweat blood for the cause that's not happened all season why would it all of a sudden start happening tomorrow ?

[Paul Mellelieu]

Totally agree with this anyone who has seen a lot of us this seasons knows how crap we have been this season.

But there still some who have there head in the sand or they need to go to specsavers.

What's makes you think Ince is suddenly going to become a tactical genius. And we suddenly go from being crap and been getting worse every game suddenly to a half decent team.

Who thinks that?

[den]

Ince not happy:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4592579,00.html

From that link Kamy:

Paul Ince has echoed Sir Alex Ferguson's sentiments that up-and-coming managers in the game need to be given time by their clubs.

But the manager also has to show why he deserves more time. He has to put out a team, at the very least, that will compete against any team in this league - not simply accept losing games. If the fans had seen anything at all that suggested he can turn things around, he wouldn't be under this pressure.

[Bobby G]

Will Ince bankroll relegation for us? Put his money where his mouth is!

That being said tomorrow everyone WILL support the club at kick-off. Depends on the team what happens afterwards...

[T4E]

From that link Kamy:

Paul Ince has echoed Sir Alex Ferguson's sentiments that up-and-coming managers in the game need to be given time by their clubs.

But the manager also has to show why he deserves more time. He has to put out a team, at the very least, that will compete against any team in this league - not simply accept losing games. If the fans had seen anything at all that suggested he can turn things around, he wouldn't be under this pressure.

All this "young manager have to be given time" stuff is complete @#/?. Why do they HAVE to be given time? We don't have to give anyone anything. Even if Paul Ince becomes a superb manager in 5/10 years time, he isn't one now and if he doesn't become at least a very good manager in the next 6 months we will be relegated with him at the helm.

This has been a suicidal appointment from the start. The manager that took over from Hughes had to be a big personality and an even bigger talent to have any hope at all of being able to follow him successfully. Ince did not meet any of the criteria in theory, and he's proven that he doesn't meet any of it in practice.

This is absolute madness. With every day that goes by, the gamble being taking with our future becomes more and more of a long shot.

[my_name_is_Earl]

Totally agree with this anyone who has seen a lot of us this seasons knows how crap we have been this season.

But there still some who have there head in the sand or they need to go to specsavers.

What's makes you think Ince is suddenly going to become a tactical genius. And we suddenly go from being crap and been getting worse every game suddenly to a half decent team.

Cheers Atty, it's reassuring to hear that i'm not the only one who thinks Ince won't be able to change our ever declining performances. I've been behind Ince all the way, as long as the players were showing they were willing to do anything to save their gaffers skin. Since Sunderland, however, it has become apparent that the players have lost faith and the performance against United was the last straw. I may be going out on a limb here but I think if you honestly asked the players whether they need a change, there would only be one answer.

I'm trying to be optimistic about tomorrow's game but it really could be another cringeworthy result. Although we all have our own opinions and they are all in the best interests of our club, those who feel the same as me should not be put off demonstrating against Ince providing things pan out as we think they will do.

[G Somerset Rover]

Ince not happy:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4592579,00.html

The problem is that he pleads for time and yet time is one thing that we're starting to run out of.

The Premiership is a steep learning curve for any manager, and a club like ours can ill afford to give a novice time to learn his trade in the big league.

[my_name_is_Earl]

Also why on earth should we give younger managers more time?! Say we do and Ince turns it around, he'll only walk off and join a so called 'bigger' team in the not so distant future. Its all well and good for fergie to say we should give Ince more time but even if we do, he'll be off soon enough.

Its the results and the performances that count and both have been woeful since late summer. Matter of fact and therefore its time to go mr. Ince.

[my_name_is_Earl]

Already said

[hawkiiz]

ince should not talk to the press.

i agree that it is "bang out of order" to ask questions about managers at clubs that have a poor run, but it is not out of order to ask yourself is Ince is the right man for rovers. the club have little money, and are in the relegation sone after 16 games (not 10-15 like he is talking about). thats scary.

i accepted that we would see a "bad" season after hughes left - whoever took over - but i was thinking 10-15th position, and a fair share of good results, even at the big four. at the end of the day we could still make 10th postition or around, but why risk the premiership for giving young managers a chance? doesnt make sense.

for all i know maybe ince becomes the best manager ever at rovers, but i will always be dreaming of what big sam can/could have done to the club. he has rovers written on his sandwich.

[broadsword]

Ince not happy:

Tomorrow is big game for Rovers, as ever the club has my 100% support (that includes the manager) if we can win that will help to restore a bit of confidence and more importantly give us 3 much needed points. The arguments about should Ince be manager etc are not important tomorrow, the only things that is important is that A) all of us get behind the team B. the team sweat blood for the cause.

He has to start winning games though.

You don't win for over 2 months, of course people are going to start asking questions, they're going to be worried.

Premiership - Current Form

[gumboots]

Cheers Atty, it's reassuring to hear that i'm not the only one who thinks Ince won't be able to change our ever declining performances. I've been behind Ince all the way, as long as the players were showing they were willing to do anything to save their gaffers skin. Since Sunderland, however, it has become apparent that the players have lost faith and the performance against United was the last straw. I may be going out on a limb here but I think if you honestly asked the players whether they need a change, there would only be one answer.

I'm trying to be optimistic about tomorrow's game but it really could be another cringeworthy result. Although we all have our own opinions and they are all in the best interests of our club, those who feel the same as me should not be put off demonstrating against Ince providing things pan out as we think they will do.

I'm not at all optimistic about the result or the performance tomorrow but that doesn't mean I'd want to demonstrate against the manager. do you honestly think they don't know how the fans feel? Of course they do and they equally know that we can't afford to be relegated. Do you think demonstrating in any way against Ince or the chairman or board will do anything except get us bad publicity. The media are longing for us to fail. They are just waiting for us to turn on our own so that they can have a field day now the Newcastle circus has calmed down, Keane's walked out on Sunderland and City haven't done anything too silly in the last few weeks. JW talks to fans. People have emailed him and I suspect he's fully aware of what the majority of fans now think. Whether he acts on it is up to him and a protest would make little difference.

[den]

I've also got to say, that if the rumours of the board giving Ince 6 more games are true, then that's muddled thinking of huge proportions. They have seen enough now to ascertain whether or not they believe he will turn it around. If they have complete faith in him, then back him - full stop. If they haven't got complete faith then sack him now, while any new manager has any chance whatsoever to save us from the drop.

Sounds like the board are "hoping" he'll turn it around, and that's not great leadership.

I'll also say this. this isn't ALL Inces fault. Since Souness left, the board have put virtually all the available cash into improving the contracts of the better player. That's left very little money for investment into new players. Now I'm not saying that was wrong, because there obviously isn't enough cash to do both. The outcome though, is that the squad is falling further and further behind the other Prem clubs.

Now, for the last three seasons, we have had a very, very good manager who's kept us vying with the best teams in this league. Now he's gone and Paul Ince has come in - who's nowhere near good enough at this moment in time, the whole house has come tumbling down very quickly. I'm sure, or at least I hope the board realise what's happened here. They don't seem to know which way to turn though.

[Atty]

I'm not at all optimistic about the result or the performance tomorrow but that doesn't mean I'd want to demonstrate against the manager. do you honestly think they don't know how the fans feel? Of course they do and they equally know that we can't afford to be relegated. Do you think demonstrating in any way against Ince or the chairman or board will do anything except get us bad publicity. The media are longing for us to fail. They are just waiting for us to turn on our own so that they can have a field day now the Newcastle circus has calmed down, Keane's walked out on Sunderland and City haven't done anything too silly in the last few weeks. JW talks to fans. People have emailed him and I suspect he's fully aware of what the majority of fans now think. Whether he acts on it is up to him and a protest would make little difference.

Ok then we wait hoping JW will sack Ince before its to late. Id rather put the pressure on the board and maybe get someone in that could just keep us in this division because under Ince there one place we are heading and that's the championship

[den]

Do you think demonstrating in any way against Ince or the chairman or board will do anything except get us bad publicity.

It always has done in the past Gumboots. If/when the fans really turn, the board will have no option other than to act. - and the fans know it. Once it starts, it will happen every game and a club can't possibly function under those circumstances.

[Claytons Left Boot]

Whether he acts on it is up to him and a protest would make little difference.

Once a club realises they are losing the support they normally act.

If enough noise is made towards the end of the game, or after it, he'll go.

[Hi Mack]

It always has done in the past Gumboots. If/when the fans really turn, the board will have no option other than to act. - and the fans know it. Once it starts, it will happen every game and a club can't possibly function under those circumstances.

At the end of the day the fans are the ones paying to watch, If the fans can see its not working

they should be able to express this! It is obvious that they have lost it!BIG TIME!

Its near enough the same team as last year, but the performances are miles apart!

Imo the downfall of Ince!

Appointing Mathias, knox etc

Signing Fowler

Signing Andrews (done ok but not the quality we needed)

Not replacing Bentley

Keeping Warnock in CM

Playing Mokoena

Hiring Winterburn(part time ffs)

sure theres more but all of the above have happened in a relatively

short period of time!

[hawkiiz]

to be fair at least ince is showing a little bit of ambition here

http://www.rovers.premiumtv.co.uk/page/New...1477655,00.html

god i hope we are lucky tomorrow. if nothing else we should get a win based on luck sometime soon.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Why don't you list the good things he's been responsable for -

1) Getting Santa Cruz to sign another contract.

Err , That's it !

[Wiggy]

At the end of the day the fans are the ones paying to watch, If the fans can see its not working

they should be able to express this! It is obvious that they have lost it!BIG TIME!

Its near enough the same team as last year, but the performances are miles apart!

Imo the downfall of Ince!

Appointing Mathias, knox etc

Signing Fowler

Signing Andrews (done ok but not the quality we needed)

Not replacing Bentley

Keeping Warnock in CM

Playing Mokoena

Hiring Winterburn(part time ffs)

sure theres more but all of the above have happened in a relatively

short period of time!

It would be interesting to list the positives Paul Ince has brought to the club.

1. ?