[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[modes98]

Whilst Sam will shoulder some blame, I think alot of it has to be put on Ince. He bought crap with money (Andrews/ Grella) which im sure Sam could have done better with (if you look at Givet & Diouf as his examples).

I was making this point on the train back from Stoke. Hughes was given hardly any money at all, yet Ince strolls in and gets £4m for Grella, £4m for Robinson, £1m for Andrews & loan fees. Yet we gave the money to the most inexperienced manager of the lot. With £10m I'm sure Sam would have seen a better quality of player and seen us safe by now.

My only concern is that he did not sign a midfield player during the January window.

He tried but nothing came off, it's not the best but it's better than him signing a sub quality player and losing money for the summer.

[Exiled in Toronto]

I was making this point on the train back from Stoke. Hughes was given hardly any money at all, yet Ince strolls in and gets £4m for Grella, £4m for Robinson, £1m for Andrews & loan fees. Yet we gave the money to the most inexperienced manager of the lot. With £10m I'm sure Sam would have seen a better quality of player and seen us safe by now.

I don't doubt it - both Hughes and Allardyce would definitely have spent that money better than a 4th division manager who would not even have ever looked at premiership quality players during his short managerial career.

It's a question the chairman should be help accountable for

[RevidgeBlue]

I was making this point on the train back from Stoke. Hughes was given hardly any money at all, yet Ince strolls in and gets £4m for Grella, £4m for Robinson, £1m for Andrews & loan fees.

Errmmm...... he wasn't just "given" that sort of money at all - he had to sell Friedel and Bentley for 18m (less Arsenal's cut) first!

[waggy]

Errmmm...... he wasn't just "given" that sort of money at all - he had to sell Friedel and Bentley for 18m (less Arsenal's cut) first!

jesus ince sold bentley and friedal,they were leaving even if mourinho turned up,as for lardarse thinking the axe is a decent player

[Parsonblue]

jesus ince sold bentley and friedal,they were leaving even if mourinho turned up,as for lardarse thinking the axe is a decent player

But at least the axe gives one hundred per cent to the cause of Blackburn Rovers. Sam too gives one hundred per cent to the club. You may not like them, but both Sam and Aaron are committed to the club and doing their best to keep us in the Premiership - unlike some of our fans who don't go to matches to support the team but are always ready to snipe.

[b12_simon]

But at least the axe gives one hundred per cent to the cause of Blackburn Rovers.

I'd give 100% too. Trouble is I'm not good enough to play for Rovers. Nor is Mokoena.

[ihtd]

EDIT-No point in leaving it one here, i'll only get a ban for a personal tirade on the so called fan Waggy.

[waggy]

EDIT-No point in leaving it one here, i'll only get a ban for a personal tirade on the so called fan Waggy.

i read it,and i take it on board,but i remenber when 70% of you so called fans were calling ince,

[gumboots]

i read it,and i take it on board,but i remenber when 70% of you so called fans were calling ince,

I was not slating Ince; I asked for him to be given a fair chance but after the Sunderland game, when it was obvious to anyone with any common sense that he was not the right manager for us, I said he had to go. I'm not an allardyce fan either as is well-documented but nor do i want to see Rovers become a club like Newcastle, constantly changing manager and getting precisely nowhere, except hopefully, in Newcastle's case, the championship. We have the manager we needed when he took over, someone the players were confident in. Whether that confidence remains or not i don't know but the results not just immediately after he took over, but until the last couple of games, suggest that they do. What is the point in getting on his back or anyone of the players' backs at this point. They need support. that means they need you to be there physically if you possibly can and to encourage, not boo, them. The time for recriminations is after the end of the season. Stoke is a notoriously difficult ground to get a result at and I would have been delighted if we had simply managed to keep the score at nil-nil. Not that I think we shouldn't be capable of playing better but better teams than us have been to the Britannia and come away with nothing. Stoke have the pitch set up to suit their style of play and they are the experts at that kind of game. They were playing at more or less full strength while we are weakened in just about every area. They also have the confidence of having won most of their home games and the players and fans don't really believe they can lose. That counts for a lot, especially at this stage of the season. I still don't like allardyce and I still wish there was someone better available, willing to come to us, able to motivate the players we have, able to take pressure off them, free to start tomorrow and guarantee we'd stay up. It's not going to happen. What we have is what we have to support whether we like it or not, if we are Rovers supporters. Why you can't see that, get yourself back down to Ewood and play your small part in getting us out of this mess, is beyond me.

[Eddie]

I was making this point on the train back from Stoke. Hughes was given hardly any money at all, yet Ince strolls in and gets £4m for Grella, £4m for Robinson, £1m for Andrews & loan fees. Yet we gave the money to the most inexperienced manager of the lot. With £10m I'm sure Sam would have seen a better quality of player and seen us safe by now.

Might have something to do with the sale of Friedel and Bentley...

[Hughesy]

Whatever the point - If Allardyce had sold Bentley for that fee (he was going anyway) and even Friedel. Then he would of spent the £8m or so alot better than Ince. I think the midfield option would of been Nolan, and to be fair to him, if we did he would of become our best central midfielder & KEY point - he's got a decent record of staying fit!!!

[JAL]

i read it,and i take it on board,but i remenber when 70% of you so called fans were calling ince,

Dont forget waggy the fans didnt sack the clown Ince.

[PAFELL]

I was not slating Ince; I asked for him to be given a fair chance but after the Sunderland game, when it was obvious to anyone with any common sense that he was not the right manager for us, I said he had to go. I'm not an allardyce fan either as is well-documented but nor do i want to see Rovers become a club like Newcastle, constantly changing manager and getting precisely nowhere, except hopefully, in Newcastle's case, the championship. We have the manager we needed when he took over, someone the players were confident in. Whether that confidence remains or not i don't know but the results not just immediately after he took over, but until the last couple of games, suggest that they do. What is the point in getting on his back or anyone of the players' backs at this point. They need support. that means they need you to be there physically if you possibly can and to encourage, not boo, them. The time for recriminations is after the end of the season. Stoke is a notoriously difficult ground to get a result at and I would have been delighted if we had simply managed to keep the score at nil-nil. Not that I think we shouldn't be capable of playing better but better teams than us have been to the Britannia and come away with nothing. Stoke have the pitch set up to suit their style of play and they are the experts at that kind of game. They were playing at more or less full strength while we are weakened in just about every area. They also have the confidence of having won most of their home games and the players and fans don't really believe they can lose. That counts for a lot, especially at this stage of the season. I still don't like allardyce and I still wish there was someone better available, willing to come to us, able to motivate the players we have, able to take pressure off them, free to start tomorrow and guarantee we'd stay up. It's not going to happen. What we have is what we have to support whether we like it or not, if we are Rovers supporters. Why you can't see that, get yourself back down to Ewood and play your small part in getting us out of this mess, is beyond me.

Good reasoned post Gumboots. My wife and I live in the south uk and hope to come for the Pompey game. Rovers need every supporter to get behind the team. At this stage, the style of football, the manager (like or dislike) dosent matter. Only can he do the job of keeping Rovers in the prem. Even losing at Stoke, although painful, reality was Rovers were hampered by the injuries to key players. Many other teams have fallen down at stoke. Football is a very strange game, Rovers do the double over Newcastle, yet they are able to get a draw - very lucky draw - at stoke.

I think it will be WBA, Boro and either Newcastle or hull for the drop. Playing on sunday this week may well work in rovers favour - they would already know the results of the other teams around them.

[Billy Castell]

Oops, wrong thread.

Errm, I agree that BFS would have made much better use of the £8m Ince weed up the wall, and would not have even dreamed of Fowler. I had tried to give Ince a chance, but by December it was obvious he was way, way out of his depth, and the mess we were in needed a new man with experience of organising teams in trouble and battling against relegation with no resources.

[dellinsert]

Not sure if this is in the right topic, but I'm not sure why BFS thinks Benni can play the lone striker role against Stoke but not Liverpool??

[Napoleon]

Discussions over whether Mokoena, Andrews or whoever are good enough are moot because we have nobody else to play instead of them.

Hughes is as much to blame for letting the midfield become old or injury prone as anybody too.

[Amo]

Discussions over whether Mokoena, Andrews or whoever are good enough are moot because we have nobody else to play instead of them.

Dunn, Grella, and Carlos were all benched. The first two aren't 100% fit, but they were fit enough to take a place on the bench. We could have started them and then replaced them later in the match. I'm sure they would have registered more chances than the lot that did start.

[den]

Dunn, Grella, and Carlos were all benched. The first two aren't 100% fit, but they were fit enough to take a place on the bench. We could have started them and then replaced them later in the match. I'm sure they would have registered more chances than the lot that did start.

Well that's hardly an argument in their favour. I could have played and could have created at least as many chances, if not more.

[Amo]

Well that's hardly an argument in their favour. I could have played and could have created at least as many chances, if not more.

Which says what about Sam's team selection?

[den]

Which says what about Sam's team selection?

It says that he started with his best, fit eleven.

[Amo]

Obviously not, because the team created nothing and lost the game.

[The Gull]

Not sure if this is in the right topic, but I'm not sure why BFS thinks Benni can play the lone striker role against Stoke but not Liverpool??

I think you'll find that Diouff was plying trhough the middle on Saturday with McCarthy.

[dellinsert]

I think you'll find that Diouff was plying trhough the middle on Saturday with McCarthy.

Not from what I was watching...

[The Prof.]

How long can Dunn and Grella be half fit for? You get 1/2 then 3/4 fit then 9/10ths fit then 100% fit then you play.

Or you're not fit and get carted off for an op. I think with these too playing we would have a good chance of staying up. Without them I'm not sure.

Is lumpball our only option without them?

What on earth did Vogel do wrong - skewer JW's cat?

Are their no midfield loanees about?

[Hughesy]

Prof. Grella just needs game time, but they are obviously wrapping him up in cotton wool so that he doesnt break down again and we then risk losing him completely.

Dunn is carrying an injury and playing through the pain until we can sort it in the summer.