[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[DE.]

Can you blame them when they've gone from being a European qualifying team to relegation fodder in a few short months? I don't think I'd want to be here either if it was just a job to me and I thought I could get one just as good if not better elsewhere. They've gone from one poor manager to another manager who seems to think that playing percentage football is the way forward but does not have the personnel to do it. I'm sure they all want to do well and mean to give their all every time they go on the pitch if for no other reason than professional pride. However, it's not happening for them. Have you never thought - there must be a better job/workplace for me out there, because I have, and I like my job. If we take off our blue and white glasses here what are we offering our players at the moment? Job satisfaction? I think not. Now some of it is down to them and I'm not absolving them from blame but I do think I'd be dreaming of another club too at times.

20/30k a week?

For that ridiculous money alone they should put in the effort, there's no excuse for consistant poor performance when you're being paid that amount. A lot of these players have not at times this season put their all into the cause, and that's a big part of the reason as to why we are where we are. Ince was inept and the players seem to not want to play Sam's style of football, but they're being paid to listen to the manager and carry out his instructions, not try and implement their own game plans on pitch or sulk over "job dissatisfaction".

[gumboots]

20/30k a week?

For that ridiculous money alone they should put in the effort, there's no excuse for consistant poor performance when you're being paid that amount. A lot of these players have not at times this season put their all into the cause, and that's a big part of the reason as to why we are where we are. Ince was inept and the players seem to not want to play Sam's style of football, but they're being paid to listen to the manager and carry out his instructions, not try and implement their own game plans on pitch or sulk over "job dissatisfaction".

So we bring up the money thing again? If you are not happy in your work then the money is less relevant than if you are. Just money is not what it's about for the majority of professional footballers. they play for pride and to win things. To us that's an awful lot of money, nearly what I as an experienced teacher make in a year, but to them it's a normal wage. You can't expect them to think of money in the same way. As i said, I'm not absolving them of blame for the mess the team finds it in. Just saying I don't think it's beyond belief that they are thinking of being elsewhere.

[DE.]

So we bring up the money thing again? If you are not happy in your work then the money is less relevant than if you are. Just money is not what it's about for the majority of professional footballers. they play for pride and to win things. To us that's an awful lot of money, nearly what I as an experienced teacher make in a year, but to them it's a normal wage. You can't expect them to think of money in the same way. As i said, I'm not absolving them of blame for the mess the team finds it in. Just saying I don't think it's beyond belief that they are thinking of being elsewhere.

I think that's a little naive... I'm sure plenty of footballers are in it for the money and less for the 'professional pride'. I suppose we'll see in the summer re: Manchester City just how many will throw their pride in favour of money. But that's all speculation, I suppose.

Regardless, they shouldn't be thinking about moving to other clubs whilst they are unable to. Their sole focus should be on us surviving, it's the least they can do, as if not for the fans they wouldn't be receiving their fantastic pay packets.

[gumboots]

I think that's a little naive... I'm sure plenty of footballers are in it for the money and less for the 'professional pride'. I suppose we'll see in the summer re: Manchester City just how many will throw their pride in favour of money. But that's all speculation, I suppose.

Regardless, they shouldn't be thinking about moving to other clubs whilst they are unable to. Their sole focus should be on us surviving, it's the least they can do, as if not for the fans they wouldn't be receiving their fantastic pay packets.

It doesn't work like that though. It doesn't matter how much you are earning. you don't go out on the pitch thinking, "These guys watching me don't earn much more in a year than I do in a week. I'd better play a bit better for them." or "I get paid 20 grand a week so I'd better play like I do." Yes, money is important but it's not what you think about all the time if you have it. The money is great for them, of course it is. But when you are out there playing it's not what's on your mind. Their sole focus on the pitch is almost certainly getting a result. However, if you are not happy in your job when you are not playing you must wonder if the grass is greener.

[DE.]

It doesn't work like that though. It doesn't matter how much you are earning. you don't go out on the pitch thinking, "These guys watching me don't earn much more in a year than I do in a week. I'd better play a bit better for them." or "I get paid 20 grand a week so I'd better play like I do." Yes, money is important but it's not what you think about all the time if you have it. The money is great for them, of course it is. But when you are out there playing it's not what's on your mind. Their sole focus on the pitch is almost certainly getting a result. However, if you are not happy in your job when you are not playing you must wonder if the grass is greener.

I agree, but if anything that should mean they perform BETTER, so that clubs become interested, not worse.

[gumboots]

I agree, but if anything that should mean they perform BETTER, so that clubs become interested, not worse.

But look at Pedersen. We who watch him week in, week out know that he is nowhere near the player he was a couple of seasons ago. However, there are fans and therefore probably managers who think he could be great for them. It's all somehow our fault he's not performing. It's the same with most players. we may not fancy them but most of them know that somewhere there's a club and a manager who will want them regardless of how they are playing at the moment. only if you want one of the big 4 do you really need to exert yourself to get the attention of another club. Don't tell me that if we announced we were selling most of our fiorst team there wouldn't be interested clubs prepared to pay them decent wages to go there.

[DE.]

But look at Pedersen. We who watch him week in, week out know that he is nowhere near the player he was a couple of seasons ago. However, there are fans and therefore probably managers who think he could be great for them. It's all somehow our fault he's not performing. It's the same with most players. we may not fancy them but most of them know that somewhere there's a club and a manager who will want them regardless of how they are playing at the moment. only if you want one of the big 4 do you really need to exert yourself to get the attention of another club. Don't tell me that if we announced we were selling most of our fiorst team there wouldn't be interested clubs prepared to pay them decent wages to go there.

I was going to use MGP as an example, but he's never really been that good. He had one OK season for us and since then has performed at what is probably his natural level... I imagine most managers are wise to him, even if opposition fans continue to believe he's a threat. Who's been linked with MGP any time recently?

Most of our players could get offers elsewhere, but would they match their current Rovers contracts? I'm not so sure. I'd be surprised if Axe, Tugay, Zurab, Andrews, Dunn, Benni, or Roberts, as examples off the top of my head, could find better options than us. There's also the issue of relocating, adjusting to an entire new team/city, etc.

Saying that, Derbs got Olympiakos so who knows

[Anti Euro Smiths Fan]

hey BLESS EM!!!! ALL THE SEASONS @#/? AND THEY GET A 4 DAY JOLLY!!!!NEVER MIND GOLF AND DRIVING OFF ROAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From the comments section below the article:

The off road driving was won by El Hadji Diouf - he'd had a bit of practice. He put his victory down to hard work, dedication and the 2 bottles of champagne he'd drunk beforehand.

With the shooting, no-one managed to hit the target.

Pedersen did however shoot the instructor... once again struggling to get past the first man. Vince Grella managed to fall over a divot on the green while playing golf, he was doubtful for the pony rides.

Benni McCarthy has not been seen, however the Gleneagles restaraunt has reported an unusual surge in profits.

I heard RSC was claiming he was as good as Tiger Woods to anyone that would listen but was refusing to play and prove it!

BFS was hitting the ball a long way but only up in the air.

What an absolute joke! I have just read Santa Cruz's comments about wanting to leave the club and now I read that they are all off on their jollies, team building with part time mind coaches.

I have wasted so much money on watching this bunch over the season and all we get is the cr@p that got served up at the weekend and comments about useless injury prone money grabbers wanting to go to bigger clubs.

I wish I got sent to Gleneagles for underperforming. Absoutely disgusted with the state of our beloved club!!!

[RevidgeBlue]

Don't beat around the bush Smiffy, - say what you really think!

Have to say from a PR point of view this trip is shocking timing coming hot on the heels of the Stoke and Liverpool debacles. It doesn't look that good now, and will set the players up for a tremendous amount of flak should we fail to put in a really good performance v Wigan.

Can only presume it was prebooked some time ago. Would hate to think it's been booked in the last ten days since the Liverpool game.

[riverside returns]

However, if as a result of the break away, the players come back fully charged and give Wigan a whacking then we will all be happy and say what a master stroke that was!!!

Funny old game eh?

[thenodrog]

I wish I got sent to Gleneagles for underperforming. Absoutely disgusted with the state of our beloved club!!!

Can't blame them, the example from the top table is simply shocking. Our glorious leaders who have dropped the nation in the economic mire blithely impose a tax increase on top earners whilst simultaineously paying tax on just £60,000 and enjoying real income in excess of £250,000, all in apparent impunity from the clutches of the Inland revenue! The greedy grabbing barstewards should be locked up! I've come to hate our perverted form of democracy.

[waggy]

when lardarse was appionted,jw claimed bfs was the first choice in the summer,but he was not ready to return to football.now some on here cliam it was rovers fans who did not want him,started a facebook petition that stopped him being appionted.what you all forget is under ince/lardarse the players have preformed miserably,from captian(i'll stab any manager in the back nelsen)to mgp(must not ruffle my hair)pedersen.if this season finishes in relagation yes,ince/lardarse share some blame but the most blame lies at the door of the players,they have been here the longest,they have underpreformed,picked up there pay cheques and don't give a f--k.

[Majiball]

Can't blame them, the example from the top table is simply shocking. Our glorious leaders who have dropped the nation in the economic mire blithely impose a tax increase on top earners whilst simultaineously paying tax on just £60,000 and enjoying real income in excess of £250,000, all in apparent impunity from the clutches of the Inland revenue! The greedy grabbing barstewards should be locked up! I've come to hate our perverted form of democracy.

Amen Yesterday ###### me off too.

Anyway back on track. I'm keen to know why some of our stars did not go? I'm not believing the family line, as I'm sure the majority of our players at Eagles have kids too. Benni obviously sat on the bus only to have the axle snap under the stress, but Samba not going is un-expected and surprising.

[Amo]

I don't ever believe Sam was the first-choice for the job. I think that ploy was just to save face when he was appointed. JW wanted to repeat the Hughes formula by bringing in a young manager untried in the PL, which is why his targets were Shearer & Ince.

[AggyBlue]

Did anyone else notice Big Sam dining in Hells Kitchen on tonight's live show?

Guess he won't be taking training tomorrow. Still, it's only Wigan on Sunday.

[rovgers]

Did anyone else notice Big Sam dining in Hells Kitchen on tonight's live show?

Guess he won't be taking training tomorrow. Still, it's only Wigan on Sunday.

Yeah, I saw that, he was sitting behind the presenter when they returned from an ads break.

[Hughesy]

He is probably down south to watch one of our rival teams tomorrow - but oh no...lets put him up against a wall and shoot him

Luxury trip - was paid by PLAYER FINES

[AggyBlue]

He is probably down south to watch one of our rival teams tomorrow - but oh no...lets put him up against a wall and shoot him

Who would that be then, Chelsea? I expect he's already thrown the towel in on that one.

[ABBEY]

He is probably down south to watch one of our rival teams tomorrow - but oh no...lets put him up against a wall and shoot him

Luxury trip - was paid by PLAYER FINES

aye were that good training cancelled.

[John]

Bluster at Blackburn leaves admiration for manager in short supply

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

BIG Sam shouting off yet again,now its his former No2 Sammy Lee getting it in the neck.Do we need this shyte again on the eve of yet another huge game for us......

I'm starting to get a little pished off about it.

[gumboots]

Bluster at Blackburn leaves admiration for manager in short supply

Well, there's a nice, evenly balanced article for you! Factually correct too, I see. To start with Allardyce is from the midlands not the north, and to suggest he and not the whole host of wrong decisions made by the previous owner and chairman and the current owner is responsible for Newcastle's plight beggars belief. As for Bruce not moaning, not much he doesn't. I'm not an allardyce fan but I'm tempted by that article to become one. He has been whingeing far too much recently for my liking but then so have many of the managers stuck at the bottom of the table. It's only when they get out of it sufficiently that they can stop whingeing and start smiling. Bruce has nothing to moan about. A dodgy decision against them might cost them points but they are safe and probably higher up the table than they expected to be so so what?

[BRFC1995]

absolute retard idiot biased nob wanting to be the next oliver holt writing in the express today basically saying sams been a failure because in 4 months he has'nt got us challenging for europe...............clearly a bitter newcastle supporter, wound me right up

[dingles staying down 4ever]

absolute retard idiot biased nob wanting to be the next oliver holt writing in the express today basically saying sams been a failure because in 4 months he has'nt got us challenging for europe...............clearly a bitter newcastle supporter, wound me right up

He is right. With the midfield we've got we should be chasing Arsenal for the final Champions League spot.

[Stuart]

absolute retard idiot biased nob wanting to be the next oliver holt writing in the express today basically saying sams been a failure because in 4 months he has'nt got us challenging for europe...............clearly a bitter newcastle supporter, wound me right up

Absolutely what I thought after the first couple of paragraphs. Didn't read much further...