[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[den]

We need to buy young talent on the cheap if possible to replace dolpers like andrews/Moko- anyone from lesser leagues such as the Belgian, Dutch & portugese leagues could do a better job, whilst having to pay out much less money.

anyone Bazza? You sure about that?

[thenodrog]

There were people interested in the summer and in the winter whom I would have preferred. I'm sure the list of interested managers would be long and if the position were to become available when this club is in the premiership.

Never mind "I'm sure". Jisty asked who you would have (out of who would come) and you've avoided answering again.

[Bazzanotsogreat]

anyone Bazza? You sure about that?

*Almost*

If they have legs & eyes

[imy9]

I didn't think Curbishley should have got the job, but you asked me to name managers who have shown that they can work on a similar budget to ours and he most certainly has done that.

There are just as many foreign managers who have shown themselves to be excellent in the premiership.

Agree with Bazza's post.

You named one manager out there who did a similar job to Big Sam in the sense that he worked with a limited budget and played a similar style of football- was less successful however, but putting that to one side, one manager. Curbs or Big Sam? Big Sam every time.

Which foreign managers have come to the premier league and worked with a limited budget and succeeded? Benitez, Mourinho, Wenger etc are great but look at the budgets. Big Sam is the best option out there and I am saddened to think that I was one of the people who did not want him on board in the summer, preferring Ince. Out of interest Laudrup was on the original list and he has failed big time in Russia, Henk Ten Cate is failing in Greece and the ex Inter manager is so great that he has been out of a job for over a year!

[thenodrog]

And so I add Eddie to Vinjay and Rover6 to my ignore list.

Crikey!!! I thought I'd have headed up that list!

[thenodrog]

Oh and waggy...just support your team. Go back to Ewood. Moan all you like when there (it is after all an East Lancs tradition to never be happy unless we have something to moan about) but do not desert your club anymore.

Too late was the cry. As I warned him at the time waggy's painted himself in a corner with his comments. To go back to Ewood will see him lose face.

[Iceman]

I havent heard a detailed view on Sam by Mr Nixon yet, unless i missed it somewhere

[thenodrog]

Is it survival football or good football?

Serious question. Serious issue.

Just as long as people take our financies into account. We are desperate for midfielders but top quality midfielders who can pass, tackle and play a bit do not come cheap.

[thenodrog]

the guy behind me spent the entire time Lucas Neill was at the club moaning about every kick, good bad or indifferent. Now he moans at Pedersen before he even touches the ball. He sounds pretty silly if Pedersen plays a good ball as he did for McCarthy's goal, but he does it just the same.

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I had someone like that behind me. He had a voice like a foghorn and hated Carsley with a vengeance until he left and then he hated Neil and then Pederson. I asked him once why he always needed a hate figure amongst the players and he just laughed it off. It's been much better since I moved.

[gumboots]

Crikey!!! I thought I'd have headed up that list!

No gordon. You may often irritate me as I'm sure i irritate you but you are at least clearly a supporter of the club who has a realistic view of our prospects and often speaks sense, as I think, when i talk with my head and not my heart, I do myself. However, there are others here who talk as though they know it all about football but live in some ideal world where rovers have a divine right to get the players we want, the manager we want, the football we want and nothing ever goes wrong for us. It's those people that get put on ignore.

[nicko]

I havent heard a detailed view on Sam by Mr Nixon yet, unless i missed it somewhere

Sam is very good at what he does. I saw a lot of Bolton when he was there and I have seen quite a bit of Rovers lately.

It strikes me he is playing Bolton football with Rovers players. It is working but only to a degree. It is a means to an end but it cannot be an end in itself.

Fortunately this season - and probably this will be the case next season - there is some terrible dross at the bottom, so you will end up safe this time and should also do next time out.

However the club needs to have a good look at what they want to be in the summer.

Is it a survival team that just scraps and scores from set-pieces or is it more expansive and exciting.

Funnily enough I think you can gamble on the latter next season because Hull, Sunderland, Bolton and two of the three promoted teams will be tripe again next time.

So, why play survival football when you can aim for something better?

[thenodrog]

No gordon. You may often irritate me as I'm sure i irritate you but you are at least clearly a supporter of the club who has a realistic view of our prospects and often speaks sense, as I think, when i talk with my head and not my heart, I do myself. However, there are others here who talk as though they know it all about football but live in some ideal world where rovers have a divine right to get the players we want, the manager we want, the football we want and nothing ever goes wrong for us. It's those people that get put on ignore.

I thank you madam.

[RovertheHill]

Sam is very good at what he does. I saw a lot of Bolton when he was there and I have seen quite a bit of Rovers lately.

It strikes me he is playing Bolton football with Rovers players. It is working but only to a degree. It is a means to an end but it cannot be an end in itself.

Fortunately this season - and probably this will be the case next season - there is some terrible dross at the bottom, so you will end up safe this time and should also do next time out.

However the club needs to have a good look at what they want to be in the summer.

Is it a survival team that just scraps and scores from set-pieces or is it more expansive and exciting.

Funnily enough I think you can gamble on the latter next season because Hull, Sunderland, Bolton and two of the three promoted teams will be tripe again next time.

So, why play survival football when you can aim for something better?

I largely agree. I put up with what I see at the moment because it is a means to an end.

Unfortunately there seem to be some fans who want the expansive football before we are safe.

Next season is a different proposition, and both Sam and the board will have much sterner critics if we are still serving up the same fayre

[thenodrog]

Sam is very good at what he does. I saw a lot of Bolton when he was there and I have seen quite a bit of Rovers lately.

It strikes me he is playing Bolton football with Rovers players. It is working but only to a degree. It is a means to an end but it cannot be an end in itself.

Fortunately this season - and probably this will be the case next season - there is some terrible dross at the bottom, so you will end up safe this time and should also do next time out.

However the club needs to have a good look at what they want to be in the summer.

Is it a survival team that just scraps and scores from set-pieces or is it more expansive and exciting.

Funnily enough I think you can gamble on the latter next season because Hull, Sunderland, Bolton and two of the three promoted teams will be tripe again next time.

So, why play survival football when you can aim for something better?

Cos it's the way we will eventuallyhave to go. You have answered your own question. No good buying any more 'BRFC' players cos we'll just have to replace em with 'Bolton' types sooner or later. There is nothing at all wrong for a club like us to field 7/8 strongly built grafters but with 3 or 4 artists. It means that we can compete with teams at both ends of the table. We might not want some of the Bolton 'types' but if SA can come up with the likes of Campo, Djorkaeff, Okocha and Anelka I don't think anybody here would object.

[JAL]

Successful survival football is always better to watch than failing flowing football though. I'd much rather watch our team play hoofball and create chances/score goals than pass the ball around West Brom style and keep losing games.

The ONLY hoofball I want see is when a defender is put under pressure and has no alternative but to play it long thats the only time to see it incorporated into Rovers game.

[thenodrog]

The ONLY hoofball I want see is when a defender is put under pressure and has no alternative but to play it long thats the only time to see it incorporated into Rovers game.

So you think Torres's first goal against us was crap eh Jal?

[des]

for me this year is all about staying up. Now next season when he has had time to get everyone fit, and to changed the team to how he wants it, them we can be in a better place to judge big sam as to how we play and the type of football played. So lets wait till next season, and hopfully this year we will stay up, and if is job done

[Stuart]

Never mind "I'm sure". Jisty asked who you would have (out of who would come) and you've avoided answering again.

I'm getting used to it. In fairness, he has ventured Curbishley although I can't see with right mind that he'd put his hand on his heart and say that Curbishley would have been (and remain) a better choice than Allardyce.

To be honest though, there probably isn't much between Curbishley and Allardyce in terms of management achievements.

They've both been in management for the same length of time, have both won promotion from the second tier (although Curbs did yo-yo a couple of times), but for me Allardyce knows how a club like Blackburn tick, both in terms of the local mentality and the financial constraints.

Also Sam's had experience of managing a few different clubs, whereas Curbishley spent most of his managerial career in relative comfort at Charlton before moving across London for a couple of years. The fact that Charlton fell apart after he left, doesn't make him a great manager, it just makes Charlton a badly run club. Then the first sign of problems at a more pressurised club and he falls apart himself.

It's also telling that despite a number of openings he still hasn't been offered a new job.

I don't dislike Curbs, and I hope he does get another crack at the Premier League but if Allardyce and Curbishley were/are our only choices (assuming Mancini was a non-starter: both from the club's point of view and my own) then we really only had/have one choice.

Ed, unless you have some other realistic alternatives, you have to admit - surely - that we have got the best manager we could under the circumstances.

[JAL]

So you think Torres's first goal against us was crap eh Jal?

Torres goal was not hoofball, it fell to his feet and he duly dispatched a beautiful turn and looping shot across goal, our hoofball is hit and hope up in the air were it becomes a 50/50 ball rarely to feet.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

Carragher whacked it up the field (yes, hoofed) and Torres did the rest.

[thenodrog]

Torres goal was not hoofball, it fell to his feet and he duly dispatched a beautiful turn and looping shot across goal, our hoofball is hit and hope up in the air were it becomes a 50/50 ball rarely to feet.

Say what you want Jal but it was a long ball by Carragher from inside his own half. Course whenever the media report a goal from a long ball it becomes an 'incisive' pass from deep. Truth is long ball is fine and so is pretty passing football. The secret is to mix em up.

[yoda]

Sam is very good at what he does. I saw a lot of Bolton when he was there and I have seen quite a bit of Rovers lately.

It strikes me he is playing Bolton football with Rovers players. It is working but only to a degree. It is a means to an end but it cannot be an end in itself.

Fortunately this season - and probably this will be the case next season - there is some terrible dross at the bottom, so you will end up safe this time and should also do next time out.

However the club needs to have a good look at what they want to be in the summer.

Is it a survival team that just scraps and scores from set-pieces or is it more expansive and exciting.

Funnily enough I think you can gamble on the latter next season because Hull, Sunderland, Bolton and two of the three promoted teams will be tripe again next time.

So, why play survival football when you can aim for something better?

There will be more than 5 teams struggling next season with the credit crunch really hitting football hard,

and you can only play whats put in front of you, SA will find some bargain quality like he did at Bolton and the football will improve, not sure what you mean by Rovers players, when we won the prem we were not the most exciting team to watch but we fought tooth and nail for results, some times not very pretty and route one to Alan Shearer, but it worked

[JAL]

Carragher whacked it up the field (yes, hoofed) and Torres did the rest.

Hoofed and long ball have different aspects for me always like along ball dont have a problem Glenn Hoddle was my hero when I was younger for playing accurate long passses into the feet of either Crooks or Archibald.

How often have you seen the long ball played to the feet of our strikers, cant think of one moment, even the penalty at City was a Robinson punt up field.

[Stuart]

No gordon. You may often irritate me as I'm sure i irritate you but you are at least clearly a supporter of the club who has a realistic view of our prospects and often speaks sense, as I think, when i talk with my head and not my heart, I do myself. However, there are others here who talk as though they know it all about football but live in some ideal world where rovers have a divine right to get the players we want, the manager we want, the football we want and nothing ever goes wrong for us. It's those people that get put on ignore.

You shouldn't ignore the optimists and the dreamers. 10 years ago, they were creating iPod Touches, HD tellys and Waggy.

If we all agreed, there'd be nothing to debate.

Say what you want Jal but it was a long ball by Carragher from inside his own half. Course whenever the media report a goal from a long ball by at top 4 team it becomes an 'incisive' pass from deep. Truth is long ball is fine and so is pretty passing football. The secret is to mix em up.

Corrected it for you.

[RovertheHill]

Hoofed and long ball have different aspects for me always like along ball dont have a problem Glenn Hoddle was my hero when I was younger for playing accurate long passses into the feet of either Crooks or Archibald.

How often have you seen the long ball played to the feet of our strikers, cant think of one moment, even the penalty at City was a Robinson punt up field.

You clearly didn't see the goal or you have forgotten. The ball was played from the halfway line into the channel. Torres ran across the defence and took it on his CHEST (not feet note) and then swivelled and hit it. It was a standard long ball into a channel that was converted by the brilliance of Torres