[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[T4E]

Unless it is like the Escape Clause that "wasn't" in Bellamy's contract.

People should ALWAYS remember this when reading official statements from the club.

[Tris]

LOL! Carbon copy of his reaction from when Hughes took over from his beloved Souness!

... ?

I think he's the right appointment and his fresh ideas and innovative backroom staff will - in the long term - be the right combination for Rovers.

is what I posted when Mark Hughes was appointed.

The man's got a screw loose...he was backing Ince to the hilt and being quite aggressive to those of us who criticised him, and now he's developed an obsession with posting rubbish about the man who's got us out of this mess.

Screw loose?

Shall we dig up the post where you stated that Gomes is a better keeper than Robinson Or shall we just wait until you inevitably cop yet another messageboard ban ...

[tcj_jones]

Tugay's show of dissent on Saturday is the final straw for me, the best player to grace the shirt in the last decade is being pushed out of the door by a manager who wouldn't recognise a cultured, well directed pass if it smacked him straight in the jowls.

Come on Tris, nowadays what use is a player that can barely make it past the 60 minute mark once every two weeks? Tugay is one of the most technically gifted players we have ever had at the club, but age has caught up with him. He isn't the same player he was and it's time to call it a day. It's sad, but the truth.

That doesn't mean that I'm expecting Sam to replace him like for like or anything, though I think he would try if the right player were available for the right price.

On Sam, his football may not be great, but we were doomed under Ince and would probably have gone down under any alternative appointment. We have no money and no decent manager would ever want to join us. He is our only choice, and we are lucky to have somebody with his kind of experience with working on a tight budget. Prior to his Newcastle appointment, we wouldn't have stood a chance in getting him.

[dave birch]

Hoofed is 'in the air from distance being challenged in the air'

Long ball is 'an accurate pass from distance in the air that lands at the feet or on the ground of the same team player'

I couldn't resist highlighting this comment, and I know my knowledge is from the 70's, but the Liverpool team of that era were the past masters of the longball. Their longballs did fall onto the foot. It was a delight to see a forty/fifty yard "pass" land on the foot of a player running, and for him to bring it under control and to place a cross to enable shot/header or whatever on goal. Spread em wide at pace, then reverse the ball, have 'em all on the wrong foot with someone coming in at the other angle

[tony gale's mic]

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is what I posted when Mark Hughes was appointed.

Screw loose?

Shall we dig up the post where you stated that Gomes is a better keeper than Robinson Or shall we just wait until you inevitably cop yet another messageboard ban ...

Robbo's produced one top drawer performance where he's won us points (vs Wigan) and made numerous mistakes costing us points. Gomes, for all his mistakes earlier on in the season has turned it round and produced a couple of great performances vs West Ham and Man U in December, and I know Spurs fans who really rate him. Still makes the odd mistake but he had an excellent pedigree before arriving at Spurs. Robbo's last 8 games or so have been pretty good apart from his Stoke error but he's yet to fully convince a lot of us and rightly so.

Gomes on the other hand has won over most of the Spurs fans:

http://www.footballfancast.com/blog/totten...lho-gomes/12499

http://tottenhamtattler.wordpress.com/2009...keeper-rumours/

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/sho...d.php?p=1358403

Not an open and shut case but unless Robbo produces more Wigan type performances it's still a fair call to say Gomes is better. Definitely not the laughable claim you make it out to be, still as someone who backed the man taking us down and wants rid of the man keeping us up I wouldn't expect any less.

[Guest Vinjay606]

no decent manager would ever want to join us.

Course not. Apart from that guy who won a couple of Serie A titles applying in December.

[JAL]

I couldn't resist highlighting this comment, and I know my knowledge is from the 70's, but the Liverpool team of that era were the past masters of the longball. Their longballs did fall onto the foot. It was a delight to see a forty/fifty yard "pass" land on the foot of a player running, and for him to bring it under control and to place a cross to enable shot/header or whatever on goal. Spread em wide at pace, then reverse the ball, have 'em all on the wrong foot with someone coming in at the other angle

You can open it up Dave, hoofed and long ball can be the same, both cross over into one another at some point, I think judging the accuraccy and inteligence of a selective pass dictates which way you view it, and the success gained from it, that you can either praise or dam the pass.

For me some of our football so far has flirted between both, but it sides on the hoof side due to the inccuracy of many of the long balls and the neutral areas were the ball has played into i.e around ten yards of the half way line up in the air.

[Hughesy]

Course not. Apart from that guy who won a couple of Serie A titles applying in December.

The same geezer that wanted a get out clause inserting in his contract for ANY italian club requesting his services??

[broadsword]

Do you not like Big Sam then Tris?

Wait until next season, mate.

I know how you feel, but right now I'm suspending judgement until next season.

PS: I don't think tris defended Ince to the hilt, did he?

[Eddie]

The same geezer that wanted a get out clause inserting in his contract for ANY italian club requesting his services??

You sure you aren't mixing him up with Laudrup and Spain? Even if that clause was the case, do you really think he would have used the clause to leave a job in the premiership to manage any side that he wouldn't have left for anyway?

[1864roverite]

Survival in the league was never going to be pretty, it is a scrap to the death.

How do we think the entertainers in the North East are feeling ? They are truly gutted as their team are going to be relegated and they ahve far better talented players than Rovers.

Compare Boro's midfield players to ours and look who has the quality. Boros squad easily, on paper is better than ours yet they find themselves going down.

WBA have some young decent players but they just cant get it together and are going down.

Hull have seen their initial enthusiasm eroded and face a hard fight to stay up.

Sunderland have millions of poinds outlayed onplayers and look at how poor they are performing.

Rovers have spent virtually nothing and were a desperate outfit in December. Ince had ruined what ethics were in the club and had taken away the will to play and win. Sam came in, swept his broom and look, hey preston, it aint brilliant but we are virtually safe with 37 points in the bag.

Oh how the teams below us will wish they had something of the same.

I repeat myself, SURVIVAL is not going to be pretty. Its the first foundation stone of a rebuilding job.

Even with half the players in this squad, we are still better than the average Premier team. With a little tinkering and additions to boost the areas where we are short, Rovers can take the next step to reclaim their top 10 position.

Its not good moaning about Tugay, his legs cannot carry him through 60 minutes, thats the maximum he will be able to produce. he simply has had his career catch up to him.

Its no good playing him week in week out because the more he does play, the more mistakes he makes.

Its time for the old maestro to be retired. Simples.

I am actaully looking forward to preseason for the first time in many year.

[DE.]

Unless Tris knows Sam personally I don't think there's any need to write such vicious remarks about him.

[The Prof.]

There are players in the current squad who do not look happy with the new style...Dunn and Tugay to name two. McCarthy as well to an extent.

The crunch is how to bring in players for the style you want to play.

However one plus is that so many will leave in the summer that the manager can put his own stamp on the squad.

So far it has been a hybrid...which is what I meant about Bolton style with Blackburn players.

But will Sam go long ball if he has players (actually playing) who can play neat passing interchanges. Most good teams can change style if needs must and he is thought of as a modern manager.

[The Prof.]

That's not a plus - it's the whole problem with this prehistoric gum-chewing slug currently inhabiting the home dugout.

We are going to lose the only slim remnants of technical ability left in the squad. And where a more up to date manager might try and replace like with like, we will end up with cloggers looking for a final hoof before they cash in their pensions.

It's a disaster waiting to happen - and this style of "football" (it's not really football) will alienate more Rovers fans than anything else that's happened in the last 50 years.

Tugay's show of dissent on Saturday is the final straw for me, the best player to grace the shirt in the last decade is being pushed out of the door by a manager who wouldn't recognise a cultured, well directed pass if it smacked him straight in the jowls.

I'll still have my season ticket next year, but I can see a Blues Bar membership being added for escape purposes. I'm not wasting my time in the BBE through the winter watching Jurassic Park 19 times over when there's a nice warm bar 30 feet below.

Let's bring back Ince - he needed more time anyway. Loved the little triangles we used to play - usually just before the opposition scored. The way we cleverly created clear spaces in midfield to pass into - shame they were filled by the opposition. The darting runs of Andrews into the box - whith no ball. Most of all I loved the tension created when we were NEAR THE BOTTOM WITH 13 points. Doh!

(Funny - just looking at my post when Ince was appointed, Said we'll either be brilliant and in a European spot, or it'll be a disaster and we'll be bottom. Didn't think we'd get both before X-mas though! )

[Nelsonfan]

Survival in the league was never going to be pretty, it is a scrap to the death.

How do we think the entertainers in the North East are feeling ? They are truly gutted as their team are going to be relegated and they ahve far better talented players than Rovers.

Compare Boro's midfield players to ours...............

Not going to quote the whole thing, but totally agree with everything written here.

As far as I'm concerned, Big Sam has turned the club around - Actually got some decent results in the process, and but for some of the other clubs also getting results around the same time, we might now be in a position where safety was guaranteed. It isn't pretty, it is effective though and right now, that's all I care about.

[Amo]

Question, Tris - Would you prefer Ince to still be in charge?

[Hughesy]

1864 - You say Boro are a better team? Seriously I dont know how you work that out. I could only name Downing from their midfield, who else plays in there? I honestly cannot say, without looking it up.

[DE.]

Boro's midfield isn't anything special. Against Utd they had a midfield of O'Neil, Sanli, Bates and Downing. O'Neil's the only player out of that lot that would improve our midfield, Downing is as ineffective as MGP these days.

[LeChuck]

Boro's midfield is pretty strong actually, I'd happily have O'Neil, Digard or Johnson here. Tuncay is good as well. Boro are in danger of going down because they haven't found a way of scoring goals on a regular basis (they'd probably be mid-table if Alves had a decent conversion rate) and for Southgate stupidly thinking the inexperienced pair of Turnbull/Jones were anywhere near the standard of Schwarzer.

[JC4LAB]

Hughsie in the MEN in the pre Rovers game said Sam plays a completely different style to his ...so we should expect something new..Reckon if Sam were here from the beginning we would be at least 10 points better off but he may have got a slagging for not achieving the same as prevoius...Keeping us up this season makes him a hero in my eyes..

[tcj_jones]

For me, Gareth Southgate is one of the biggest underachieving managers that have ever managed in the Premier League. He inherited a good squad and was then given umpteen millions to spend. How his team haven't managed to score goals on a regular basis with the likes of Alves and Tuncay up front is beyond me.

For Gibson to then assure him that he has a job next season in the Championship? Well that's just crazy. There's backing a manager because you feel he is talented and will come good in time and backing one through nothing but blind faith.

[DE.]

But don't you know, Gibson's the best chairman in the whole of the universe for sticking with Southgate even though it's obvious he appears to be taking them down?

[tony gale's mic]

Should have done the same with Ince

[jim mk2]

But don't you know, Gibson's the best chairman in the whole of the universe for sticking with Southgate even though it's obvious he appears to be taking them down?

Gibson would be right to stick with Southgate IMO ; in contrast to Ince he's bright and intelligent and will learn from this season. Expect Boro to bounce straight back if they do go down.

If Boro do go down and have a clear out could they please let us have Downing, Tuncay, O'Neill and Morrison.

That's not a plus - it's the whole problem with this prehistoric gum-chewing slug currently inhabiting the home dugout.

We are going to lose the only slim remnants of technical ability left in the squad. And where a more up to date manager might try and replace like with like, we will end up with cloggers looking for a final hoof before they cash in their pensions.

It's a disaster waiting to happen - and this style of "football" (it's not really football) will alienate more Rovers fans than anything else that's happened in the last 50 years.

Tugay's show of dissent on Saturday is the final straw for me, the best player to grace the shirt in the last decade is being pushed out of the door by a manager who wouldn't recognise a cultured, well directed pass if it smacked him straight in the jowls.

I'll still have my season ticket next year, but I can see a Blues Bar membership being added for escape purposes. I'm not wasting my time in the BBE through the winter watching Jurassic Park 19 times over when there's a nice warm bar 30 feet below.

Extraordinary.

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[DE.]

He'd be right to stick with Southgate now, yes, but he's not got much choice has he? He'll lose his title of King of all Chairmen if he sacks his right-hand man after professing such loyalty to him. Southgate will learn, but the question is, should his first job have been a premiership club in the first place? He's had a lot to spend and not a whole lot to show for it.