[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[Exiled in Toronto]

They're the exceptions that prove the rule. There's all sorts of reasons why certain players may have done particularly well in a relegated side, but they're in the minority. Plus not all relegated sides have bad managers, a lot of the time the players themselves aren't good enough, but the players that are good shine through. In Nelsen we had a player who was good enough who was part of a shambles of a defence which was overseen by Ince. You would expect defence to be an area where players would come off particularly bad in teams managed badly, since so much of it is about organisation and tactics.

You're generalising - I'm talking about Nelsen specifically. Or are you saying Nelsen made a host of individual, unforced errors because of a manager he hardly ever saw? Some professional he is then.

Sadly, jim mk II is right - they can't be bothered when something doesn't suit them. The 'exceptions that prove the rule' are the real pros.

[tony gale's mic]

Someone making individual unforced errors isn't just because they're not trying. There could be all sorts of reasons - the stress of playing under a manager like Ince being just one potential contributing factor amongst many others. Players go through poor form from time to time, they could be trying their hardest but a lot of the time that isn't the issue. While I agree Nelsen was playing poorly at the time I have no other cause to think he was being unprofessional or outright lazy at the time.

[thenodrog]

Ince was not a leader of men. Allardyce is.

[Brownie]

Ince was not a leader of men. Allardyce is.

Very True.

[gumboots]

Someone making individual unforced errors isn't just because they're not trying. There could be all sorts of reasons - the stress of playing under a manager like Ince being just one potential contributing factor amongst many others. Players go through poor form from time to time, they could be trying their hardest but a lot of the time that isn't the issue. While I agree Nelsen was playing poorly at the time I have no other cause to think he was being unprofessional or outright lazy at the time.

It is noticeable that nelsen's return to form has coincided with the arrival of the experienced Givet. Nelsen under Ince was being asked to marshal a defence that was inexperienced at this level and keep up the morale of the whole team and play his best at all times. doesn't work like that. One man can do a lot if the team is organised and most are doing a job most of the time. However, take out a combination of things and it just becomes impossible. I too have worked for poor bosses and things have carried on ok until something else knocks you out of your stride and then the problems caused by poor management all surface at once.

[47er]

If your boss is going to play Simpson at right-back you at centre-back are going to suffer aren't you?

[hawkiiz]

i cant believe people are still not backing Sam. he took charge of the worst performiing team in the prem, then got givet in on loan, after just a few weeks at the club. now he have steadily got us out of trouble, and with a little luck finishing at 11th.

i read somewhere that if Sam had been manager all season, and kept the same form as he have since he arrived, we would have 57 points by now. guess what? that would have us 6th in the league!

Sam is by far the best manager we have had since King Kenny, and whatever happens next season is a combination of his skills and the money he can spend. could you really care about his tactical style being "boring" if we keep getting good results? do anyone think the "sexy" football ince wanted us to play was any fun?

[gumboots]

i cant believe people are still not backing Sam. he took charge of the worst performiing team in the prem, then got givet in on loan, after just a few weeks at the club. now he have steadily got us out of trouble, and with a little luck finishing at 11th.

i read somewhere that if Sam had been manager all season, and kept the same form as he have since he arrived, we would have 57 points by now. guess what? that would have us 6th in the league!

Sam is by far the best manager we have had since King Kenny, and whatever happens next season is a combination of his skills and the money he can spend. could you really care about his tactical style being "boring" if we keep getting good results? do anyone think the "sexy" football ince wanted us to play was any fun?

Put quite simply I like winning. i like scoring more goals than the opposition. I'd love it if we could do it playing fancy football, but fancy losing football or ugly winning football? No brainer is it? I'd ideally like a blend of the 2 - win ugly if you need to, win attractively if you can. Get the points on the board and turn on the style but give me substance over style and give me that winning feeling every time. I still can't stand the sight of Allardyce and hate listening to his interviews, but the players believe in him and I guess that's what is important.

[Majiball]

Sam is by far the best manager we have had since King Kenny, and whatever happens next season is a combination of his skills and the money he can spend. could you really care about his tactical style being "boring" if we keep getting good results? do anyone think the "sexy" football ince wanted us to play was any fun?

You do one or two a disservice with that Sam is the best since Kenny comment, Souness won us the league cup, Hughes took us into Europe.

[Hughesy]

54 points it would be (double the games we have played under him, 19)

Dont forget that is with the players he inherited too - a midfield consisting of Reid (Injured), Dunn (Injured), Grella (Injured for large parts), Emerton (Injured), Andrews, Vogel, Mokoena, Pedersen & an old Tugay.

If he can sort them out - which he will (Tugay going, Mokoena going, Vogel gone - Dunn/ Reid/ Emerton all had operations) then we should do even better next year.

[hawkiiz]

You do one or two a disservice with that Sam is the best since Kenny comment, Souness won us the league cup, Hughes took us into Europe.

yes they did, and thats good, but i think Sam is way better than both of them. Sam got bolton to the prem, then took them to four top 8 finishes in a row. that is in my book a much better achievement than what hughes did for us.

[Majiball]

54 points it would be (double the games we have played under him, 19)

Dont forget that is with the players he inherited too - a midfield consisting of Reid (Injured), Dunn (Injured), Grella (Injured for large parts), Emerton (Injured), Andrews, Vogel, Mokoena, Pedersen & an old Tugay.

If he can sort them out - which he will (Tugay going, Mokoena going, Vogel gone - Dunn/ Reid/ Emerton all had operations) then we should do even better next year.

I'm not taking away from what Sam's done, he came to keep us up and hopefully tonight it will be job done. 54 points it maybe but its a maybe unless you play those games you can't really say.

Both Souness and Hughes achieved things here, Sam has only kept us up. Hopefully he will go on to achieve more with Rovers, but its early days to be hailing him above the afore mentioned two.

yes they did, and thats good, but i think Sam is way better than both of them. Sam got bolton to the prem, then took them to four top 8 finishes in a row. that is in my book a much better achievement than what hughes did for us.

Hang on, You hail Sam as the best ROVERS manager since Kenny and site his record at Bolton as the reason.

I think you should review that logic.

[JC4LAB]

In fairness to Ince he had top 4 games all coming together at the same time..When Sam took over he had an easier run of games to change things..Still..now only 10 points off 7th we would have been there if Sam were here from the start..Mr Willians should recognise he's saved us £30Million and I hope he gets a reward..Marvellous what he has achieved..

[hawkiiz]

I'm not taking away from what Sam's done, he came to keep us up and hopefully tonight it will be job done. 54 points it maybe but its a maybe unless you play those games you can't really say.

Both Souness and Hughes achieved things here, Sam has only kept us up. Hopefully he will go on to achieve more with Rovers, but its early days to be hailing him above the afore mentioned two.

Hang on, You hail Sam as the best ROVERS manager since Kenny and site his record at Bolton as the reason.

I think you should review that logic.

i am confident he will do great things for us in the years to come. that is if it is even possible with our finances. i stand by what i said, and have done so ever since he was at bolton. i said back then that i would swap hughes for allardyce any day. you cant get away from the fact that he's had a fantastic run this year, and we are now actually fighting for a top 11 finish.

[waggy]

well done lardarse for doing your job.how fickle some football fans are,when he was at bolton,you all moaned how poor his football was,now he's the best thing since sliced bread.i was talking to 4 lads on saturday night who took the £20 offer,i said will you be getting season tickets next season,they all laughed and said they spent most off the match at the bar,and they would rather watch it on the telly from the bar,says a lot really

[gillibrand]

I enjoyed watching Bolton under Sam, they always gave the big boys a run around and also good runs in Europe, hope he does the same for us!

[Sparky Marky]

was talking to 4 lads on saturday night who took the £20 offer,i said will you be getting season tickets next season,they all laughed and said they spent most off the match at the bar,and they would rather watch it on the telly from the bar,says a lot really

They must be arseholes like you then...

[waggy]

They must be arseholes like you then...

tut tut tut tut tut

[Hughesy]

I was talking to 4 lads on saturday night who took the £20 offer,i said will you be getting season tickets next season,they all laughed and said they spent most off the match at the bar,and they would rather watch it on the telly from the bar,says a lot really

I know at least 10 lads that do that every single game at ewood, and have done for about 6 seasons now - difference is, they still buy a season ticket. So what was the point you was trying to make??

[Eddie]

i am confident he will do great things for us in the years to come. that is if it is even possible with our finances. i stand by what i said, and have done so ever since he was at bolton. i said back then that i would swap hughes for allardyce any day. you cant get away from the fact that he's had a fantastic run this year, and we are now actually fighting for a top 11 finish.

Best Rovers manager since Kenny? Not yet. If you want to judge that based on past records then Souness and Hodgson, in particular, would look better as well.

[waggy]

I know at least 10 lads that do that every single game at ewood, and have done for about 6 seasons now - difference is, they still buy a season ticket. So what was the point you was trying to make??

well thats a bit silly,£250 FOR A SEASON TICKET and stand at the bar,be better watching it in the pub

[DE.]

Calling Allardyce the best Rovers manager since Kenny is a bit silly. He has the potential to be the best, but first he has to be successful at our club, not another club. As it stands Souness and Hughes have both been better Blackburn Rovers managers than Allardyce, and will continue to be until Allardyce achieves some success at our club. He's gotten off to a great start by hauling us out of a terrible mess, let's see where he goes from here.

[Silencio]

They must be arseholes like you then...

Ha ha ha ha ha!

[gillibrand]

The difference now with Sam is he has not had any money to splash around, Souness arrived when Uncle Jack was still putting money into the club, the players Souness could buy are a long forgotten dream now, I just hope the board back Sam!

[gumboots]

The difference now with Sam is he has not had any money to splash around, Souness arrived when Uncle Jack was still putting money into the club, the players Souness could buy are a long forgotten dream now, I just hope the board back Sam!

Misread that and thought you said sack not back!!!!!!! whoops