[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[Iceman]

In Afrikaans language bung spealt Bang and prounonced the same, means afraid or scared :-)

[T4E]

Prepare for a media storm: BBC to name 3 managers who they accuse of taking bungs

"Newcastle fired Bond, who claimed in his initial writ against the BBC that the filming had 'a catastrophic effect' on his career."

Aye, he ended up at Spurs.

[Billy Castell]

Oh good, here we go again.

[Scotty]

Crisis over - Bond drops charges

[Hughesy]

That tells you Bond was guilty!

[philipl]

I fear we could have a ticking bomb with our boss though. Some "intrepid" reporter is going to fancy their chances.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

I fear we could have a ticking bomb with our boss though. Some "intrepid" reporter is going to fancy their chances.

Surely the club knew the rumours before they appointed Sam and investigated them thoroughly enough. Should anything come back from Sam's past and affect the club, then serious questions need to be asked at board level.

[philipl]

OK let's be absolutely clear.

I am not accusing Sam of anything and I am certain the club must have done their homework on this one.

My worry is that Sam might be seen as a soft target by the media now that Bond dropped the libel case so ingloriously. I wonder what the BBC will do about the costs it incurred preparingto defend themselves against Bond- this probably still has legs to run as a story.

[DanLad]

That tells you Bond was guilty!

No, it doesn't. There could be lots of reasons why it didn't proceed.

For example, it could be the case that he has been advised that it couldn't be proved, to any reasonable degree, that the documentary damaged his career.

Or he could have been told that the damage was limited and he was facing a £500K legal fight (and therefore financial ruin) to recover 2K and decided not to take the risk.

[Hughesy]

If he won, would he not get the costs paid by the guilty party?!

[DanLad]

If he won, would he not get the costs paid by the guilty party?!

No all of them, no.

BUT he has to get the claim of the ground in the first place and then he has to win!

This type of litigation is notoriously expensive and very strenuously defended. In addition, he'd be pitting himself against the might of the BBC. One man standing against a large corporation, with all it's power and money to throw at the case.

It's quite possible that he couldn't afford to pay the level of costs that would have been accrued by his Solicitors, or that his Solicitors wouldn't take it on a 'No win, no fee' basis because it was too risky.

He could still have a winnable claim, but it not go ahead.

I can see what you're getting at, Hughesy, but it's not as straightforward as - He's dropped the case, therefore he did it.

Edit - punctuation error

[Steve Moss]

Isn't Bond at Tottenham now? If so, it looks like the BBC inadvertently did him a favor. Got him fired by Newcastle, but hired by Tottenham. This lucky break means he stays with a Premier League club. So even if the BBC defamed him (which I am unsure of), whether Bond's damage claim would result in any significant financial gain is doubtful. The lack of an economic recovery could easily explain dropping the case, just as well as Bond potentially having no case.

[waggy]

mud sticks i'm afraid

[Hughesy]

I can see what you're getting at, Hughesy, but it's not as straightforward as - He's dropped the case, therefore he did it.

I agree - but that is what 90% of people will now think. Luckily for him most of this news will now be covered over by the Ronaldo story for the next week or so. Followed by Ribery, Valencia, Aguero etc.....

[T4E]

United signing Aguero would be a very very good move.

[DanLad]

I agree - but that is what 90% of people will now think.

Yes, that'll probably be the general perception, I suppose.

When I watched the BBC prog I just thought that it seemed based on hearsay and speculation. There was nothing definitive in it. Big Sam's lad made a few ill advised comments, but he was also seemed to just be sounding off and bigging himself up. Seemed a bit gobby. I see a lot of them in the pub at the weekend, talking a good game. I take 'em with a pinch of salt.

'Arry said he thought Toddy was a good player. So what?

Also, at the time, would any Bolton fan have been bothered if Sam had taken a bit of money from one of his signings? I suspect that they would have said he was working miracles and they wouldn't rock the boat over it.

If Sam got a bit of cash on the sly for a really good signing for us would we be bothered? Everyone else seems to have their nose in the trough and a lot of them have far less respect for football (agents, I'm getting at mainly).

I'm probably missing an angle on this, TBH, before someone jumps down my throat!

[John]

Within the media this week, it has been mentioned that Sam is already frustrated by our lack of financial resources. Of course the media may be talking rubbish but I get the impression he probably is.

Hughes initially said he found it challenging having to compete with the other clubs with limited resources. As we know that wore off by the end of his tenure.

Generally Sam is still viewed as not a popular option for a club looking for a new manager, but I sense the longevity of his management here won't be that long......... hopefully I am wrong.

[dirty cons]

I've said it before we need a takeover so the club can continue to compete at this level. For to long now there has been no financal backing for the manager and if that continues to be the case we will find ourselves back down the leagues. We can't continue to not spend any money and expect to stay in the top flight,maybe it would be best in the long run to go down, git rid of the high earners and try to win promotion back to the prem with a young hungrey squad of players.

[John]

No forward thinking from Blackburn boss

Nowadays Allardyce finds himself at Blackburn Rovers, a club not at all dissimilar to Bolton. And the club has got some good natural resources which Allardyce will surely want to mould new players around. However, his lack of faith in the clubs strikers is odd to say the least.

[Kelbo]

No forward thinking from Blackburn boss

Nowadays Allardyce finds himself at Blackburn Rovers, a club not at all dissimilar to Bolton. And the club has got some good natural resources which Allardyce will surely want to mould new players around. However, his lack of faith in the clubs strikers is odd to say the least.

Its not odd to me, the balance is not right unless Roque stays, a target man needs a quick guy around him, Roques link play is as good as any and he is good in theair, holds the ball up and plays people in!!

My guess is tht Sam wants a target man and someone to play off the shoulder, a quick lad, thats why you see the teams with a big fella and someone quick alongside him, if the target man gets you goals, thats a bonus but his main role is to 'play in' the wide men or the quick striker.

Roberts and McCarthy together dont give those options!!

[thenodrog]

I've said it before we need a takeover so the club can continue to compete at this level. For to long now there has been no financal backing for the manager and if that continues to be the case we will find ourselves back down the leagues. We can't continue to not spend any money and expect to stay in the top flight,maybe it would be best in the long run to go down, git rid of the high earners and try to win promotion back to the prem with a young hungrey squad of players.

Wash your mouth out! That was an opinion I held as a fresh faced and gormless yougster in 1966..... and but for Jack Walker we'd still be visiting the likes of Grimsby and Rotherham today.!

[den]

No forward thinking from Blackburn boss

Nowadays Allardyce finds himself at Blackburn Rovers, a club not at all dissimilar to Bolton. And the club has got some good natural resources which Allardyce will surely want to mould new players around. However, his lack of faith in the clubs strikers is odd to say the least.

The author has no idea, has he!

He couldn't play Rocky when he was injured [and before the speculators move in, JW confirmed last night that Rocky had a lump the size of a golf ball on his knee]. The author seems to ignore that totally. As for Benni, no way could he have played up front, on his own, against Liverpool.

Matty is the one where he might have some semblance of a point, but at the end of the day he's still not good enough.

[American]

But neither is Samba.

He also had EHD, who was allegedly brought in to not only play on the right, but play striker when needed.

[Kelbo]

But neither is Samba.

He also had EHD, who was allegedly brought in to not only play on the right, but play striker when needed.

Samba caused problems with his heightwhen we needed something extra up front, we needed points and it worked!!

Pretty shrewd management I would say

[John]

Samba caused problems with his heightwhen we needed something extra up front, we needed points and it worked!!

Did more than cause problems, Samba provided assists and contributed massively to us winning the Spurs and Wigan matches.