[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[waggy]

Choice is play good football, maybe similar to what the Baggies did last season and look what happened to them - finish bottom and now playing Fizzy Pop League footy again, or play football that isn't the best to watch but gets results and might end up with a Europa League place all being well? Sam got the job done last season by keeping us up, with a few games to go as well, plus an immediate 9 game unbeaten run as soon as he took over. We might not like the style it's played out on the pitch but as long as the end product is successful and we can do better than last season (shouldn't really be too hard accomplish) then it will have been a successful season.

if most rovers fans have your attitude,it's a good job were giving our season tickets away

[Parsonblue]

posters on here seem to kid themself that we might change

Sam's style kept us up last season so why change. I more than happy for him to target games and play the same style if it continues to bring points. You don't get points for style only for results.

[Ronin]

I like Sam, he is the right guy for us where we are. But what you say is not strictly true - look at Fulham or West Ham. Play decent football. Haven't really got any better players than we have. So you can do alright playing decent stuff.

True, good point. Fulham did well to get the Europa place, as well as the Fair Play award last season, they were also difficult to play against too.

I'll wait until all the transfers are concluded so we can see what Sam's gameplan will be with the players he has. Although we can probably guess

[Kelbo]

if most rovers fans have your attitude,it's a good job were giving our season tickets away

Giving season tickets away, no, surely youre not watching Burnley??

Waggys a Dingle

[waggy]

Sam's style kept us up last season so why change. I more than happy for him to target games and play the same style if it continues to bring points. You don't get points for style only for results.

so your happy to watch the dreadful fair that was on show at ewood last season under lardarse, but there will be plenty on here who want a bit of entertianment,% football is all well and good when your in a relagation dogfight,but to start a new season with the same attitude is very poor

Giving season tickets away, no, surely youre not watching Burnley??

Waggys a Dingle

that just sums posters up on here,if you don't back lardarse your a dingle,i bet i've been to more rovers games than you've had hot dinners.£200 for a season ticket in the premiership is GIVING THEM AWAY

[Scotty]

Maybe the crisis isn't over yet

FA may still charge Allardyce and others.

[joey_big_nose]

West Ham have got better players than us.

Really?!? Like who? Our defence is much better than theirs. They have a better midfield. The attack is about even.

[ABBEY]

so your happy to watch the dreadful fair that was on show at ewood last season under lardarse, but there will be plenty on here who want a bit of entertianment,% football is all well and good when your in a relagation dogfight,but to start a new season with the same attitude is very poor

that just sums posters up on here,if you don't back lardarse your a dingle,i bet i've been to more rovers games than you've had hot dinners.£200 for a season ticket in the premiership is GIVING THEM AWAY

well said wags,tell you what how many would have renewed if the price was the same as say spuds or chelsea.after the rubbish served up over the past few years i would say not many.

I want to win and dont give a ###### how it comes but what i want is inbetween passion and entertaining footy.not table footy hoof ball.

[gumboots]

well said wags,tell you what how many would have renewed if the price was the same as say spuds or chelsea.after the rubbish served up over the past few years i would say not many.

I want to win and dont give a ###### how it comes but what i want is inbetween passion and entertaining footy.not table footy hoof ball.

Exactly what i'd like to see. Some real skill coupled with the ability to get stuck in and work for a result when needed. Some real hard tackles that have you wincing and checking you still have all your toes and then moments that you just want to watch over and over again because they are so good. I don't want ot see our team play like Arsenal, but i don't want to see the worst of Bolton either. I want proper football, a man's game but with enough finesse to send me home with a smile on my face because I've watched something good . Never going to happen but it's my dream.

[thenodrog]

Bolton were a very good side under Allardyce. They could beat you up, but they could also play. I remember them ripping you apart at Ewood once with that kind of football...

I like football that is 'easy on the eye' but I also know that you need a lot more than that to survive at Premier League level.

Style is for Trinny and Susannah.

Exactly right.

[thenodrog]

Why?!?

Is anyone truly dumb enough to believe that Allardyce will have us playing any other way than we did last season? The guy has an impeccable track record of having his teams play the worst football in the known universe.

This isn't just my opinion - it's widely accepted as fact by anyone who has had the misfortune to sit through 90 minutes of Allardross.

Blackburn Rovers Football Club are a national joke.

Happy days!

You are about as dumb as anybody on here..... So I guess not eh?

btw national joke are we? Albeit in the opinion of a board clown! So what about NUFC? In fact I'd rather be a national joke than relegated with them, Boro and the baggies.

[daren]

Theno wins. I'd also add that we WERE a national joke - just before we appointed Allerdyce.

[T4E]

We're not the national joke, and we'll never be the national joke. No one cares about us enough for us to hold such a lofty tag.

If we got relegated it would barely raise a chuckle outside of Chorley.

[thenodrog]

I never maligned Souness and I do think that until he seemed to lose the plot and fall out with all and sundry, despite what players might have thought of his training methods or what the atmosphere in the dressing room was like that was some of our best football. He brought in some good players and we did some good stuff.

In the 2nd Div rem gumboots! 3-5-2 with Berko, Dunny and Duff dominating 2nd rate midfields and providing the bullets for Matty and Marcos to fire. Superb stuff to witness too ...... can you also rem what happened when we tried those pretty footballing tactics on with a Prem team?

[thenodrog]

You missed the one where we finished 6th and won a trophy, without, as I recall, playing the Allardyce way. Hughes's first season was a struggle and not pretty, but the Bellamy year was good to watch. The next year after that Benni didn't score 20+ goals from long-ball knockdowns, Bentley was our main creative force and a pleasure to watch. Ditto the next year where RSC got on the end of good crosses, not hopeless punts.

We have never played like Brazil but neither have we ever played like an Allardyce team, until now.

No doubt we'd still be able to play good stuff under SA too if other teams had not brushed us aside financially and snaffled Bellamy, Bentley and RSC! Imagine those three turning out for us and raring to go next season. As it is if soem of the rumours turn out to be true they will all likely see out half the season on somebody elses subs bench.

Try to inject a touch of realism into your thought processes please EiT. If we cannot keep our top talent together then how tf can we play stuff like Real Madrid?

[RovertheHill]

if most rovers fans have your attitude,it's a good job were giving our season tickets away

And if most had your attitude we'd be Newcastle, or Man City, or any of the other joke clubs that constantly chop and change managers.

Hughes was always going to go onto another club - he never hid his ambition. We took a chance with Ince, who set out to play "pretty football". And he nearly destroyed us. There is nothing pretty or entertaining about watching your side fall apart. From there the list of candidates who had the right qualifications to get us out of the deep sh*t we were in was very, very small. They picked Allardyce, and it was proved to be the right decision. What would you do now? Ignore the points and sack him after 10 games if YOU don't find it entertaining? Maybe we should take the average of all the Sunday paper entertainment ratings and if it's less than say 6 out of 10 sack him. Results will decide when Allardyce leaves. If they are bad he will go. If they are great he will go. But if they are simply good he will stay. In which case you might as well get over it or take up a new hobby or get some blood pressure pills

[thenodrog]

My thought exactly, the question is .... When does a long pass become a long ball ??

For me theres only 4/5 sides in the league that can make 30 passes from defence to the striker. Sam likes to get it to the frontmen as early as possible (1 or 2 passes) is it really that bad a thing. If thats how he thinks he can get results so be it, football is a results business.

Not necessarily Sam's wishes...... Ask any frontman and you will find that they all will want the ball played in early to catch the defenders flat footed. Whether that is lumped up in the air, a ball over the top or one down the channels depends on the individual attackers strengths and weaknesses.

Rem Goal of the season on MoTD was Glenn Johnstons but imo that was wrong and on skill and technique it should easily have been Torres first against us..... and that was from an ale house ball from Carragher from in his own half.

*** STANDING OVATION ***

It can't be put better than that.

Your take Nicko?

Since the day he was appointed I started looking forward to Allardyce leaving the club, but the more I think about it the more terrified I am that he's going to be our manager for a long, long time. There's no way on earth he'll move to a bigger club (who in God's name would take him?), and we'll be too scared to sack him since he "keeps us safe". We could be looking at 10 years here. (It's like a f****** prison sentence.)

Dark days.

Tell you what spencey............. you leave the club instead.* In fact whenever a club is daft enough to appoint Paul 'Total football' Ince as manager, you go there...... please!

*Can we have a poll?

[gumboots]

In the 2nd Div rem gumboots! 3-5-2 with Berko, Dunny and Duff dominating 2nd rate midfields and providing the bullets for Matty and Marcos to fire. Superb stuff to witness too ...... can you also rem what happened when we tried those pretty footballing tactics on with a Prem team?

We still played some decent stuff under Souness in the prem though too. I'm not the one advocating pretty football. As I said I like a good mix. What's worrying is that there seems to be an opinion that says that you can't play good football and still play dirty if needs be. I don't expect or want fancy football, and i don't think you'll find me slating allardyce's style anywhere though I suppose you'll now go out to prove i did say it somewhere! My dislike of allardyce is not because I'm a Wenger loving purist - as you full well know. In fact there's something very peculiar about wenger too but we won't go into that.

[thenodrog]

Not especially - Would you like to give him one?

What on earth has Allardyce got to do with us getting £18m for Roque?

He played hard ball with City in Jan when they were trying to p1ss up our leg. Along the lines of 'If you want him buy him early for the asking price or it's no deal.' and you will admit that he stuck to his guns over that? So it's no coincidence that City have done the deal early doors and for the asking price this time is it?

[Amo]

I think it depends what you mean by "good football." That term certainly doesn't apply to Ince's tenure, as the 11 on the pitch were a complete shambles with no organisation. We were hardly beating teams with 4-3, 5-4 thrillers. We'd tap it around for a bit, lose whatever tempo we had, and concede a goal. Rinse repeat.

Last season, Sam applied his percentage football to the side. Made use of Big Chris' height and Pedersen's long thrown. It wasn't easy on the eye at times, but it was methodical and dragged us out of the dirt. But now Sam has inherited £15m+ to play with, I would be very disappointed to see such desperate measures deployed next season.

[Seggie]

Not necessarily Sam's wishes...... Ask any frontman and you will find that they all will want the ball played in early to catch the defenders flat footed. Whether that is lumped up in the air, a ball over the top or one down the channels depends on the individual attackers strengths and weaknesses.

Rem Goal of the season on MoTD was Glenn Johnstons but imo that was wring and on skill and technique it should easily have been Torres first against us..... and that was from an ale house ball from Carragher from in his own half.

Torres first against us was fantastic!

Liverpool scored a few of those last year, Pepe Reina particulary got a few assists last year.

Thing is when a top four team put the ball in the air its seen as wonderful skill and vision. Rovers or Bolton do this its ugly football. IMO do what works to get the ball into the net.

[Kelbo]

so your happy to watch the dreadful fair that was on show at ewood last season under lardarse, but there will be plenty on here who want a bit of entertianment,% football is all well and good when your in a relagation dogfight,but to start a new season with the same attitude is very poor

that just sums posters up on here,if you don't back lardarse your a dingle,i bet i've been to more rovers games than you've had hot dinners.£200 for a season ticket in the premiership is GIVING THEM AWAY

Well Waggy, unless you are over 65, I doubt it

My fist game was december 1957

No intention to harm, but wasnt it Burnley who have really given season tickets away?? That was what I was saying.

Rovershave cut costs of tickets, but for a reason, o get Rovers fans on all sides of the ground and more of them, thus selling more progrmmes, merchandise.

etc in the hope that the new fans will stay with us!

Thats the ideaI didnt mean to upset you, just a joke about the free season tickets which were at Turf Moor, not Ewood!!

[thenodrog]

quote name='nicko' date='Jun 22 2009, 17:15 ' post='778279']

Can someone tell me when Rovers played this Beautfiul Game fantasy that some seem to get caught up in...I know I'm getting old and past it, but the memory is letting me down on this one.

When you won the title in 95 you also played practical and pragmatic 'British' football...and knocked people about at both ends of the pitch...more power to you for doing so.

However I can't rememeber a time when there was much of a samba beat about.

Quote Bryan Douglas.........

"I had more time and found it easier.

“That forward line of me, Peter Dobing, Derek Dougan, Thomas Vernon and Alastair MacLeod, the team got promotion in 1958, was full of goals.

"It was a pleasure to play in.”

Alternatively the early 60's line up of Harrison, McEvoy, Pickering, Douglas could play a bit too.

[thenodrog]

There have been three occasions when Rovers played truly horrible football.

The fag end of Saxton's time

Under Kidd in the second level

The last dozen games under Ince

For those fearing Allardyce football at Ewood, we don't as yet have an Allardyce midfield.

Jim Iley's reign?

[thenodrog]

Maybe the crisis isn't over yet

FA may still charge Allardyce and others.

But not Frank Arneson. Typical FA ... bully's that are frightened to death by a bigger bully.