[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[67splitscreen]

Why would he need to be made aware, FS we all new it. Nout's changed for years, It does seem like he may have less than last summer though.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Why would he need to be made aware, FS we all new it. Nout's changed for years, It does seem like he may have less than last summer though.

That's what I mean. It's just a hunch, I dont claim to have contacts at the club or anything like that. He just dosn't seem to have been a happy camper since the early days of his tenure.

Maybe he's just a grumpy sod.

[67splitscreen]

I'm hoping he was just jet lagged, a week at brockhall away from the wife will perk him up.

[John]

Interesting hearing/watching his interview on Rovers world. Mentions how Crown Paints have come in over the summer and re-decorated the training groud.

With a stern look in his eye, states that things will be different next season (referring to the training ground).

[ABBEY]

Interesting hearing/watching his interview on Rovers world. Mentions how Crown Paints have come in over the summer and re-decorated the training groud.

With a stern look in his eye, states that things will be different next season (referring to the training ground).

they must of used gloss because we sold the matt.

[Bazzanotsogreat]

I don’t get this: in the past twelve months we have sold well-over £35 million pounds worth of players. With Arsenal getting around 7 million from Bentley and Rovers spending around 10 million on players.

Yet Sam has no Money? Furthermore the club made a 7 million profit last season… that was before player transfers. Sam has trimmed the wage bill, by a good 6 million yet it seems we have no money.

Before we have the likes of PhililpL ( the self-appointed defender of the trust) suggesting our 20 million overdraft has swallowed up the funds; I personally will not buy it any longer( so please don’t waste your time). I want JW to explain to me, why we are the only club in the premier league (receiving 40 million a year from sky) who know seemingly have to sell to stay afloat!

[s_hart8]

I don’t get this: in the past twelve months we have sold well-over £35 million pounds worth of players. With Arsenal getting around 7 million from Bentley and Rovers spending around 10 million on players.

Yet Sam has no Money? Furthermore the club made a 7 million profit last season… that was before player transfers. Sam has trimmed the wage bill, by a good 6 million yet it seems we have no money.

Before we have the likes of PhililpL ( the self-appointed defender of the trust) suggesting our 20 million overdraft has swallowed up the funds; I personally will not buy it any longer( so please don’t waste your time). I want JW to explain to me, why we are the only club in the premier league (receiving 40 million a year from sky) who know seemingly have to sell to stay afloat!

Are you trying to imply that the money is being kept back for some reason?? The reason we have to sell to stay afloat is because broadly speaking we have the same cost base as most other premiership teams, yet we get only 22,000 people every week and charge a fraction of the ticket prices that others charge.

Do you honestly think that if we had money JW and the board would be keeping it back??

They want to invest as much as is financially viable in order to maintain our position in the Premier League.

Its bizarre how one of the most respected chairman in the league comes in for criticism from his own "supporters".

[Bazzanotsogreat]

Are you trying to imply that the money is being kept back for some reason?? The reason we have to sell to stay afloat is because broadly speaking we have the same cost base as most other premiership teams, yet we get only 22,000 people every week and charge a fraction of the ticket prices that others charge.

Do you honestly think that if we had money JW and the board would be keeping it back??

They want to invest as much as is financially viable in order to maintain our position in the Premier League.

Its bizarre how one of the most respected chairman in the league comes in for criticism from his own "supporters".

My problem is that the "goalposts" are being moved every season. If we have to sell our best players to simply keep aflaot- then a sudden spiral down the leagues await.

May I add the trust have openly stated they no longer invest in the club

In terms of your "cost base" anaolgy. Bolton a club with the same turnover as ourselves, have spent over 25 million in the past 24 months on players. Answer please?

[Kelbo]

My problem is that the "goalposts" are being moved every season. If we have to sell our best players to simply keep aflaot- then a sudden spiral down the leagues await.

May I add the trust have openly stated they no longer invest in the club

In terms of your "cost base" anaolgy. Bolton a club with the same turnover as ourselves, have spent over 25 million in the past 24 months on players. Answer please?

They are seriously in debt!!

But, I feel Sam is very despondent at this moment in time, I think its harder getting players in, but, if Coyle reckions he can get premiership players for £15,000 per week, why cant we???

[ABBEY]

They are seriously in debt!!

But, I feel Sam is very despondent at this moment in time, I think its harder getting players in, but, if Coyle reckions he can get premiership players for £15,000 per week, why cant we???

You pay for what you get....ie.monkeys and peanuts.

[Kelbo]

You pay for what you get....ie.monkeys and peanuts.

I do tend to agree to an extent but dont underestimate the bugger down the road, he is a pretty shrewd customer and he may surprise one or two!!

[Majiball]

I do tend to agree to an extent but dont underestimate the bugger down the road, he is a pretty shrewd customer and he may surprise one or two!!

If I take my Rovers heart out, then I'd walk down the bookies and put down money on them to stay up.

[waggy]

got a phone call from lardarse last night,thought it was a mate taking the ######,then i realised it was a recording and put the phone down

[philipl]

Sam making a bunch of shrewd signings so far this summer and I will be delighted if Zura stays at Ewood as I think only having Samba, Nelsen and Givet capable of central defensive duties is too thin.

Pre-season is going to be critical but I think Sam will have this well sorted and if the fates look kindly on restoring our injured players, the competition for places is going to be strong all over the park.

Now what have we got up front?.... Well last season's regular starters and Gallagher on the subs bench....

We need Di Santo and a huge slice of good fortune in committing the best part of £20m (transfer plus fees plus wages for four years).

[Gav]

Whilst I’m not convinced Sam is the man for Blackburn Rovers, especially after some of the pathetic performances we had to endure towards the end of the season. I must admit to being impressed with the way he’s gone about his business so far in the transfer market.

Its plain for everyone to see that JW has put the shackles on Sam’s spending, despite bringing in large amounts of transfer money so far, and I don’t blame JW for that. But Sam has added experience and numbers to our squad, freshened things up a bit and things seem to be going well.

We need a striker, surely the hardest position to fill successfully, will be interesting to see who he gets, because that position could be the difference between success and failure this season.

Over to you Sam.

[LeChuck]

Sam making a bunch of shrewd signings so far this summer and I will be delighted if Zura stays at Ewood as I think only having Samba, Nelsen and Givet capable of central defensive duties is too thin.

I'd much rather have £2.5 million in the bank though. Anything over a million actually and I'd say let him go, there must be plenty of out of contract defenders we can sign just in case - remember Zurab only played a handful of games last season. Noe Pamarot has just been released by Pompey, he'd be a decent enough replacement (plays right back too).

[T4E]

Its plain for everyone to see that JW has put the shackles on Sam’s spending, despite bringing in large amounts of transfer money so far, and I don’t blame JW for that.

Think you might be shooting the messenger there Gav.

Agree with the rest, though. I was hoping at the back end of last season Sam was just doing what he had to survive and get through to the Summer so he could start the rebuild job. So far he's making that look like the case, a couple of decent name signings in the key positions you mention would bring the new season on with some confidence.

[Gav]

Think you might be shooting the messenger there Gav.

Agree with the rest, though. I was hoping at the back end of last season Sam was just doing what he had to survive and get through to the Summer so he could start the rebuild job. So far he's making that look like the case, a couple of decent name signings in the key positions you mention would bring the new season on with some confidence.

Yes agreed T4E.

I'm still traumatized by that display at Stoke, and can’t get over the complete lack of a plan B when the goal went in, hopefully come August I’ll have recovered

[Amo]

Let's look at Sam's situation when he came in: He had inherited a depleted, disorganised outfit who had forgotten how to win and were severely lacking in quality. There was no money or time to rebuild the squad, therefore he made a couple of supplementary signings in Givet & Diouf to balance the squad. The godawful football we played was necessary for Sam to drag us over the finishing line. Now Sam has had months to assess the market, and put his feelers out, I would be very disappointed if we failed to mix up our football next season.

[joey_big_nose]

Think you might be shooting the messenger there Gav.

Agree with the rest, though. I was hoping at the back end of last season Sam was just doing what he had to survive and get through to the Summer so he could start the rebuild job. So far he's making that look like the case, a couple of decent name signings in the key positions you mention would bring the new season on with some confidence.

I don't know. The way the side is shaping up for me looks like it will be 433 death from above all the way. Van Heerden, Diouf, Givet, Jackobsen all seem to suit the Bolton system. The key is, of course, who comes in up front. But I have to say it is hard to see Sam changing his stripes, which is a little disappointing.

But then why change something that works I suppose? And you can see some decent football if the front five work well as a unit (as we saw at points last season or at Bolton when the likes of Djorkayeff, Gudjohnsen, Anelka etc. were in full flow).

[LeChuck]

4-3-3 certainly seems the way to go, both Everton and Aston Villa play some form of 4-3-3/4-5-1 and they were easily the 'best of the rest' last year.

Interestingly they play very different variations on it though - Villa rely on speed and counter-attacking whereas Everton seem to be far slower and methodical. Given our personnel I think we'll be far more comparable to Everton next year, unless Van Heerden is better than his CV suggests.

[gazsimm]

Yes agreed T4E.

I'm still traumatized by that display at Stoke, and can’t get over the complete lack of a plan B when the goal went in, hopefully come August I’ll have recovered

you make me laugh, Sam did miracles when he came in half way through last season. He was left with a mess when Ince departed, but somehow manage to get the players playing again and brought back confidence in the whole club again.

Some of the performanes were not pretty on the eye, but the main thing he managed to get enough points to keep the club up.

Everyone who has a brain in football knows what Sam is all about, he gets the best out of the players he has got and usuallly comes up trumps with the results.

[gumboots]

4-3-3 certainly seems the way to go, both Everton and Aston Villa play some form of 4-3-3/4-5-1 and they were easily the 'best of the rest' last year.

Interestingly they play very different variations on it though - Villa rely on speed and counter-attacking whereas Everton seem to be far slower and methodical. Given our personnel I think we'll be far more comparable to Everton next year, unless Van Heerden is better than his CV suggests.

Problem is, once Villa got found out they hardly score another point, and Everton are hardly an advert for watchable football. Yes, they win more than they lose and did well in terms of points last season but I was hoping for just a bit more excitement than one nils all next season.

[gazsimm]

Problem is, once Villa got found out they hardly score another point, and Everton are hardly an advert for watchable football. Yes, they win more than they lose and did well in terms of points last season but I was hoping for just a bit more excitement than one nils all next season.

if u want exicting football, maybe you should go and start to follow Newcastle then!! but i think they are in the championship now!!

[tashor]

I don’t get this: I want JW to explain to me, why we are the only club in the premier league (receiving 40 million a year from sky) who know seemingly have to sell to stay afloat!

Our wage bill has been around £40m. Yes, that accounts for ALL THE SKY MONEY.This cannot be sustained without new investment/hand-outs. For many years we have payed relatively high wages compared to similar sized clubs. We might aim to pay around £3m wages EACH YEAR to our "star" player(s) - ie Santa and his replacement. Van Horse is on around twice that at the moment. A transfer fee payed of £10m would pay the wages of probably our top 4 players. Where would you make the cuts from a budget of under £80m???

At the end of the day when a player talks about the "size" of a club trying to buy him he means only one thing - how much they will pay him. It is all about balance but the smaller our squad and the lower the amount that we spend on transfer fees THEN the more we can pay on wages which is the main determinant of the quality of players we can bring in and also the single factor linked most closely with where we will finish in the league - assuming the club is well run - Newcastle

With the proviso that Sam will not play the most attractive football in the league - defence first - look at the two fullback signings - solid but will not bomb up the pitch much - we have a manager who is ideally suited to manage what we are - a small Northern team proudly trying to hold on to Premiership status at ALL COSTS - hence the reliance on defence first - remember t'JJB

If the loan signing of the chelsea starlet combined with the savings so far - frees/loans/off-loading players to reduce wages/selling Santa and Derbyshire - allows us to bring in a "top" striker ( ? high wage/low fee older player or moderate wage higher fee younger "one for a future sell on profit" ) that we can be genuinely exited about then we can have a season watching OUR CLUB in the world's preferred league for the price of non-league dross - hopefully scoring the goals that we did not have in the side on the pitch last season.