[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[Kelbo]

Funny how thoughts differ, my son, (23) degree is Sports Coaching, qualified FA Coach, when I told him Warnock was going to be replaced, by twoplayers, what do you think??

He said a Left back and a Centre Back

I think I am getting old!!!

[67splitscreen]

Funny how thoughts differ, my son, (23) degree is Sports Coaching, qualified FA Coach, when I told him Warnock was going to be replaced, by twoplayers, what do you think??

He said a Left back and a Centre Back

I think I am getting old!!!

He has probably already got wind of the news.

[booth]

Wouldn't you be fed up?

No points, unlike our football playing friends from up the road.

Warnock apparently another deserting a sinking ship

Injuries to key players

Your biggest signing can't hit a barn door.

Seems like keeping us in the Prem last year was a piece of cake compared to his task now.

I doubt he's quite as down as that UB!

"No points, unlike our football playing friends from up the road." - this could quite easily be the other way round don't forget. After seeing both Rovers and Burnley's past couple of games I'd say Rovers show way more promise. Burnley are going to struggle when they get injuries to key players and once they start playing in-form teams. When that happens, their heads will drop almost as fast as their league position. Also don't forget that we've only played a couple of games.

"Warnock apparently another deserting a sinking ship" - or like many footballers these days, chasing the £££'s.

"Your biggest signing can't hit a barn door." - He has only played one match in this country and league, he isn't fully fit yet and he's only 21 and didn't expect much game time on Saturday. Give him time, he's going to be very good.

"Seems like keeping us in the Prem last year was a piece of cake compared to his task now." Not sure how that can be the case - he's got a lot more games to secure safety than last year.

One that you missed is that he's possibly a bit miffed because promises haven't been kept and he knows that any cash from Warnock will not necessarily be going back into the team. I'm not saying that is going to happen, but it's a possibility. Hopefully it doesn't and he is just miffed about losing his player of the year.

[T4E]

Is it me or did Sam not seem very fed up on Sky Sports today?

Horrible horrible media appearance from Sam.

Cast Rovers in a very negative light and seemingly let his frustrations get the better of him.

Someone needs to send Mssrs Allardyce and Williams down the road to have a chat with Dave Whelan to learn how to publicly extol the virtues of being a "selling club" in a positive light. It is possible.

[BuckyRover]

It doesn't make any sense. Most of the teams in the league are selling clubs. Why moan about it? Most teams aren't splashing the cash

[John]

Horrible horrible media appearance from Sam.

Cast Rovers in a very negative light and seemingly let his frustrations get the better of him.

I mentioned it on the other thread too, but he looks pretty devasted. Fair enough in that he might be speaking the truth, but has to keep some sense of positivity when speaking publicly.

Think the combination of our poor start to the season (whilst playing well), injuries, selling our best players, and having no money have got to him!

[Mr. E]

Horrible horrible media appearance from Sam.

Cast Rovers in a very negative light and seemingly let his frustrations get the better of him.

Someone needs to send Mssrs Allardyce and Williams down the road to have a chat with Dave Whelan to learn how to publicly extol the virtues of being a "selling club" in a positive light. It is possible.

what's the point in pretending? The media is never gonna think much of us, it won't win us any points and almost every player that comes to us does so because he knows we're a selling club and he can get out at the first opportunity.

[Kelbo]

He has probably already got wind of the news.

He hadnt actually split, thats not the son who you speak to, its the older one, Ben has a degree in ICT but is quite useful with his football!!

I was surprised but his thinking was quite logical I suppose and he didnt arrive home until 8pm as he was coaching tonight!!

But I still feel old.

By the way are you home now and fully fit??

[Mr. E]

I mentioned it on the other thread too, but he looks pretty devasted. Fair enough in that he might be speaking the truth, but has to keep some sense of positivity when speaking publicly.

Think the combination of our poor start to the season (whilst playing well), injuries, selling our best players, and having no money have got to him!

Ince kept it to himself then got slaughtered on here when later revealing the truth. Looks like BFS isn't wasting ant time.

[T4E]

I mentioned it on the other thread too, but he looks pretty devasted. Fair enough in that he might be speaking the truth, but has to keep some sense of positivity when speaking publicly.

Think the combination of our poor start to the season (whilst playing well), injuries, selling our best players, and having no money have got to him!

Agreed John, things aren't going his way, I understand that. I think I feel let down because I've always thought of Sam as a highly intelligent man who does everything he does for a reason. If there was a reason for acting that way today then I'm really struggling to see it.

[imy9]

Agreed John, things aren't going his way, I understand that. I think I feel let down because I've always thought of Sam as a highly intelligent man who does everything he does for a reason. If there was a reason for acting that way today then I'm really struggling to see it.

He did say that IF the board decided to accept the Warnock then he would hope that they would give him money to purchase two players at the back, maybe there is a hint that there would be no money so he is trying to squeeze money out of the board? Purely guess work on my part.

[T4E]

He did say that IF the board decided to accept the Warnock then he would hope that they would give him money to purchase two players at the back, maybe there is a hint that there would be no money so he is trying to squeeze money out of the board? Purely guess work on my part.

All I take from that is that he is suggesting the board are selling over his head.

Which might be true. Thats not the point.

[LDRover]

Agreed John, things aren't going his way, I understand that. I think I feel let down because I've always thought of Sam as a highly intelligent man who does everything he does for a reason. If there was a reason for acting that way today then I'm really struggling to see it.

Yep, it's hard enough to feel positive about things at Ewood without having it re-inforced by that kind of interview.

Very odd as SA is one of the biggest self publicists (behind Phil Brown) in the game.

[spencey7]

what's the point in pretending? The media is never gonna think much of us, it won't win us any points and almost every player that comes to us does so because he knows we're a selling club and he can get out at the first opportunity.

You don't think that Allardyce will be out of here the first chance he gets? This man has delusions of grandeur like no other coach in England (barring Keane).

Unfortunately for him - and more unfortunately for us - the omens for this season are not good.

[Kelbo]

All I take from that is that he is suggesting the board are selling over his head.

Which might be true. Thats not the point.

If the board dont give him the cash, they really have to come out and tell the supporters, something is wrong here, I just dont get it!!!

[Exiled in Toronto]

I think it's been apparent from day 1 that Allardyce is here for one reason only: to prove that Newcastle were wrong and he was right. That's why I'm not the least surprised at the way we are playing and his apparent lack of interest in beefing up the midfield - he cannot deviate from 'his way' or he'll be in danger of proving Newcastle were right.

He can't complain about resources now other than to begin getting his excuses in early. Only last week he was pronouncing himself satisfied with the transfer window; a week later its like his hands have been tied. And as a manager and motivator, he is supposed to give his good players reasons to stay, not announce to the world why they should leave.

The upbeat nature of most of the Hughes era seems a very, very long time ago.

[Atty]

If the board dont give him the cash, they really have to come out and tell the supporters, something is wrong here, I just dont get it!!!

Totally agree I am glad of sams honesty of the situation.

Why pretend everything great when the bank are selling players and then giving him (Please don't use that word again) all to replace them with. I would be ###### off aswell.

[LDRover]

One thing that worries me is the impending game against Burnley.

With Hughes and Souness in charge you felt they identified with the fans in how important the game was, I get no such feeling with Allardyce.

[Mr. E]

One thing that worries me is the impending game against Burnley.

With Hughes and Souness in charge you felt they identified with the fans in how important the game was, I get no such feeling with Allardyce.

BFS is a Bolton man, so you can't expect that from him. But the bigger trouble is that the only player who might give it something extra is David Dunn, and you can't even bet on him being fit.

[den]

Agreed John, things aren't going his way, I understand that. I think I feel let down because I've always thought of Sam as a highly intelligent man who does everything he does for a reason. If there was a reason for acting that way today then I'm really struggling to see it.

Some will say he was only telling the truth. Some will say he's trying to get the cash he wants from the trustees. Some [me included] will say it was totally unnecessary and will only make it even more difficult for him to attract the quality of player that we all want to see.

Apart from that, his statements are lies. We were a small town club with no money when in the lower divisions. At this moment in time we are a Premier League club with an income far outstripping those clubs that are still at that level. League position can still generate millions of pounds on top of the guaranteed PL riches.

Our problems IMO, stem from having owners who simply want rid. I'm not just talking about the trustees lack of investment causing the problem, - I'm talking about the simple fact that the lack of ambition from the top people is bound to reflect throughout the whole club. Does anyone really believe that one single employee at Ewood Park, from the car park attendant, - to the players, - to JW, is comfortable with the ongoing deadlock in ownership? I can't believe for one moment that JW's wishes would have seen this happen - no investment and no sale. Until that is sorted, we can only go backwards. The trustees must either invest or sell - and as quickly as possible.

[Parsonblue]

The trustees must either invest or sell - and as quickly as possible.

I would make two points that I think have not really been considered.

1. After the economic slump of last year, which is still ongoing, it may be that the Trust are not in a position to support the club with extra money. I assume that the Trust is also looking after the other business interests that Jack had.

2. The club has been up for sale for a couple of years and there appears to have been not one serious bidder that has been made public. Perhaps others have examined the books, looked at the support and decided that there is no real potential for profit from buying the club. When the club have to slash ticket prices to lure fans into the ground it's not likely to attact investors looking to make a profit out of owning a Premier League football club.

I also think that the sale of Manchester City is another factor that is likely to put off potential investors. How much money would have to be invested into the Rovers to try to break into the top four? I suspect investors might look at the situation and aks themselves what is the point of putting £50, £60 or £100 million into Blackburn Rovers if that investment can't guarantee anything other than 6th or 7th place in the League. It's certainly doubtful if that amount would be sufficient to enable us to overtake Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal or Manchester City.

[JAL]

Lets hear from John Williams what his strategy is for the club in going forward from here.

[den]

I would make two points that I think have not really been considered.

1. After the economic slump of last year, which is still ongoing, it may be that the Trust are not in a position to support the club with extra money. I assume that the Trust is also looking after the other business interests that Jack had.

It's quite possible that the total worth of the Trust has fallen Parsonblue, I can see that. It's also very possible that the values have made quite some recovery of late. I don't however get the feeling that this withdrawal of the funding is directly related either. I get the feeling that the funding has gone - full stop - maybe I'm wrong. On top of that, the trustees investment of £3m/year isn't the difference we are seeing now. If Warnock goes then the club will have sold players to the value of c£47m over the last two summer transfer windows. [RSC, Bentley, Warnock, Derbs, Gally, Friedel - and are there more?]. Admittedly, we didn't get the full £17m for Bentley, but that's an awful lot of cash. How much has gone back into players?

[67splitscreen]

He hardly has a free hand does he, in fact I would go as far to say they are firmly shackled.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

I also think that the sale of Manchester City is another factor that is likely to put off potential investors. How much money would have to be invested into the Rovers to try to break into the top four? I suspect investors might look at the situation and aks themselves what is the point of putting £50, £60 or £100 million into Blackburn Rovers if that investment can't guarantee anything other than 6th or 7th place in the League. It's certainly doubtful if that amount would be sufficient to enable us to overtake Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal or Manchester City.

In fairness Arsenal seem to do alright without throwing mega bucks at transfers, I'm sure Spurs and probably even Sunderland will have spent more than them.