[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[thenodrog]

We played well immediately after Sam arrived and quickly hauled ourselves towithin touching distance of safety without ever quite kicking on. Thereafter imo we deteriorated the longer the season went on

Hmmm I noticed that Simon......... I also noticed that most of our strikers and midfielders picked up injuries. I wonder if there was a connection?

[thenodrog]

And suddenly John Williams turns up with a job 10 miles over the hills, with a salary package which would make some of the Champions League contenders blush.

Correct Tris! Spot on in fact. I've had grave concerns about John Willliams's ability to run the club wisely and it's nice to see you recognise that fact too. The costly Ince fiasco, the new lucrative Andrews contract and the nepotism involved in finding a lucrative position for ones own son show how bloody easy it is to chuck money around..... when it's someone elses.

Allardyce is many things but he is certainly not one to look a gift horse in the mouth is he? Who can blame him for taking whats on offer?

[Eddie]

I honestly think Allardyce may be the worst thing to have happened to this club in my time supporting it. Worse than Ince, worse than Kidd, worse than even relegation. He's come on the back of two managers who were exactly the right men at the right time for us, I think Allardyce may have been right for the last 6 months of the season to get us to safety (although others could have done that), but he isn't the man for the future. He's lowering ambitions, damaging the clubs image in the media and looking at mostly unambitious and unoriginal transfer targets who do nothing to take the club forward.

[Moppy]

I cant believe people on this board. One (very) unattactive performance and look at you. Yes it was a bad game but ill live with that. I think it was VERY important to get our first point on the board. Yes ill be hoping for more ambition in the future, especially at home but after two loses there is something to be said for steadying the ship. Some people on here seem to live in fantasy land. We have very limited resources we can not expect to compete for european places. Yes we may achieve that every now and again but we can not expect it. With the following we have and the resources we can barely expect to be in the top league in the world! Sam's transfers have been brilliant from what ive seen. Chimbonda must not have been far from MOM on Saturday, his only obvious weakness is how right footed he is for a LB. But his positional sense and defensive attributes seem better than Warnocks and he did show he can get forward despite being on the left.

If we are down in the bottom three just before xmas worry then not 3 games into a new season after a very good 2nd half of the last. Get a grip people. I am sure there are people on here who enjoy being miserable and slagging whoever is in charge or playing. You would still be winging if we where in the top four, either that or just be silent.

Oh and the TheNo, do you know the terms of Andrews contract? I guess not so how do you know its "lucrative" or is that just a word you thought like throwing in to add to the impact. I dont think Andrews is a good player at all and dont think he should be a part of the 1st team, but as a squad players he is useful. When people are fit i dont think he will be in the team, i think he will be on a "decent" contract by premiership standards at best.

[joey_big_nose]

He's lowering ambitions, damaging the clubs image in the media and looking at mostly unambitious and unoriginal transfer targets who do nothing to take the club forward.

Massively disagree. NZonzi, Kalinic, Hoilett, Givet all look like good signings who will take the club forward.

I have absolutely no problem with the likes of Chimbonda and Jacobsen who give the side experience. Salgado on the other hand the jury is out on. Not sure what he adds but I will wait to see him play.

He hasn't even had a bloody budget - he has been tasked with generating a massive surplus to clear debt. How about giving him ten games?

[Eddie]

He didn't sign Hoilett.

He's had 10 games, I've held this opinion for a while.

As for not having a budget? He's been fortunate enough to inherit a side that allowed him to sell around 30 million worth of players and only lost two players from the best 11.

Quality midfielder topped the list for almost every person on this board coming into the summer, it's September 1st and we're still waiting...

[Moppy]

Quality midfielder topped the list for almost every person on this board coming into the summer, it's September 1st and we're still waiting...

No it didnt a replacement for RSC and a right back where top of the list and they have been addressed.

[Amo]

No it didnt a replacement for RSC and a right back where top of the list and they have been addressed.

True. As I've already said on a couple of occasions: Sam had Dunn, Reid, Emerton and Grella returning to fitness at the start of the season. With that in mind, I'm sure we weren't budgeted for a new centre-mid.

[gumboots]

He didn't sign Hoilett.

He's had 10 games, I've held this opinion for a while.

As for not having a budget? He's been fortunate enough to inherit a side that allowed him to sell around 30 million worth of players and only lost two players from the best 11.

Quality midfielder topped the list for almost every person on this board coming into the summer, it's September 1st and we're still waiting...

I find myself in the odd position of agreeing with Eddie. It's not the one poor performance (although I do have to admit to missing the City and Sunderland games where my daughter assures me we played better stuff) It's the feeling of depression that seems to surround the manager whenever I see him. I know about injuries; I know about not being able to keep players who want out; I understand that wages were running high and that we needed to cut costs. I can appreciate that we are not the most attractive club in the premiership in terms of location and number of supporters. I know that we wanted to bring down season ticket costs to encourage fans to come in/back whatever. But I do feel that we could have had one bit of slight excitement in the transfer window that just stopped our manager and increasing numbers of fans feeling and looking so depressed. Note I'm not asking for a marquee signing or even a really exciting one. Just an actual striker rather than a couple of hopefuls, one of whom is only on loan officially till January, or a midfielder with a bit of go about him who is more likely to stay fit than not(injuries can always happen but some have better records than others) best thing that's happened from a Rovers perspective this window has been the departure of Gallagher

[joey_big_nose]

He didn't sign Hoilett.

He's brought him back and played him in the team. So no kudos for finding him, but all the kudos for backing him.

He's had 10 games, I've held this opinion for a while.

Not with his own players he hasn't. He has brought nine new players in. They have had three league games to play together.

As for not having a budget? He's been fortunate enough to inherit a side that allowed him to sell around 30 million worth of players and only lost two players from the best 11.

How does this reflect anything about Sam? It wasn't his choice to sell those players. it wasn't his choice to have no money.

Quality midfielder topped the list for almost every person on this board coming into the summer, it's September 1st and we're still waiting...

I totally agree with this. I too find it bizarre that we went in for Salgado instead of using the money to buy a new midfieder. However I am going to see what Sam's plan is going forward. There is more than one way to skin a cat, he has brought in young quick and technically talented players, he has a large and very defensively competant squad.

I am curious to see how he gets them to play. I don't see what whinging about it will achieve.

[RevidgeBlue]

Hmmm I noticed that Simon......... I also noticed that most of our strikers and midfielders picked up injuries. I wonder if there was a connection?

Arguably that's another point. For someone who is supposedly so into "injury prevention" our injury record has been very poor since Sam took over.

That might just be bad luck but by way of comparison Hughes and his staff fared seemed to fare far better on the injury front than Souness and Allardyce and their respective staffs.

[joey_big_nose]

Arguably that's another point. For someone who is supposedly so into "injury prevention" our injury record has been very poor since Sam took over.

That might just be bad luck but by way of comparison Hughes and his staff fared seemed to fare far better on the injury front than Souness and Allardyce and their respective staffs.

Hopefully we have turned a corner here. Grella and Dunn have completed 90, Emerton on the bench. Even Reid no longer features on here:

Physio Room

[neekoy]

People do realise we are only 5 points from 6th right? looking at the form 2 wins on the trot and we should see ourselves in the top half.

Never wanted Sam but my faith is in him, "hoofball" or not

[Ricky]

People do realise we are only 5 points from 6th right? looking at the form 2 wins on the trot and we should see ourselves in the top half.

Never wanted Sam but my faith is in him, "hoofball" or not

and we're one point from being rock bottom.

[philipl]

Arguably that's another point. For someone who is supposedly so into "injury prevention" our injury record has been very poor since Sam took over.

That might just be bad luck but by way of comparison Hughes and his staff fared seemed to fare far better on the injury front than Souness and Allardyce and their respective staffs.

But that was an Ince problem.

Hughes left a very fit playing squad and Allardyce inherited an extremely unfit squad.

Apart from Emerton's cruciate, the long term injury problems were inherited. Players like Dunn, Grella and Santa Cruz were made to play by Ince when not ready and made their injury problems much worse.

[Al]

What did anyone expect Sam to do with a transfer budget of minus £18mil? I still think his substitutions on Saturday were the wrong ones but generally he has done well with the financial position the board have forced him to run the club on. Many managers would have been down the road by now and I can't understand why Sam has not done so. He must have a few million in the bank and has no need for this stress.

It can only be down to his love of the game that keeps him here. In his position I would have told them to stuff it by now.

[Exiled in Toronto]

But that was an Ince problem.

Hughes left a very fit playing squad and Allardyce inherited an extremely unfit squad.

Apart from Emerton's cruciate, the long term injury problems were inherited. Players like Dunn, Grella and Santa Cruz were made to play by Ince when not ready and made their injury problems much worse.

If Allardyce can't undo the impact of the work-shy Ince within 9 months of taking over from him, I'm not sure how much of a messiah he can be. Even Sam, on whose desk the buck rarely stops, has ceased playing the Ince card.

Back to an earlier post re us getting Bolton's manager, chief diver and now possibly their captain, what makes it even worse is that each one of them left Bolton to achieve abject failure at their next posting before coming here. Nicking Bolton's gems would leave me with mixed feelings, but being the '06 Bolton rehabilitation club depresses me much, much more.

[mellison24]

If Allardyce can't undo the impact of the work-shy Ince within 9 months of taking over from him, I'm not sure how much of a messiah he can be. Even Sam, on whose desk the buck rarely stops, has ceased playing the Ince card.

Back to an earlier post re us getting Bolton's manager, chief diver and now possibly their captain, what makes it even worse is that each one of them left Bolton to achieve abject failure at their next posting before coming here. Nicking Bolton's gems would leave me with mixed feelings, but being the '06 Bolton rehabilitation club depresses me much, much more.

As long as players do well while here, I don't give a ###### where they have played previously! Even certain ex-burnley players would be acceptable (Lafferty, Eagles etc)

[47er]

I honestly think Allardyce may be the worst thing to have happened to this club in my time supporting it. Worse than Ince, worse than Kidd, worse than even relegation. He's come on the back of two managers who were exactly the right men at the right time for us, I think Allardyce may have been right for the last 6 months of the season to get us to safety (although others could have done that), but he isn't the man for the future. He's lowering ambitions, damaging the clubs image in the media and looking at mostly unambitious and unoriginal transfer targets who do nothing to take the club forward.

We know you think that, its been obvious for months. According to this post we should have signed Sam for 6 months and then replaced him! Very logical and realistic!

[spencey7]

think your making yourself look stupid telling other people to do their research when you clearly havent done yours

Nathan Ellington's trial had finished let alone started before Kalinic became a rover

do your research mate

The news on Kalinic and Di Santo broke on August 4th (although we'd actually been aware of both for quite a while).

The news of Ellington's trial broke on August 6th.

[spencey7]

the last 3 games I've seen have been full of good quality football

[mark1875]

The news on Kalinic and Di Santo broke on August 4th (although we'd actually been aware of both for quite a while).

The news of Ellington's trial broke on August 6th.

even we all knew ellington was here on the morning of the 3rd - check the thread on here!!! keep up

[broadsword]

People do realise we are only 5 points from 6th right? looking at the form 2 wins on the trot and we should see ourselves in the top half.

That's exactly the sort of BULL that people were coming out with when Ince was in charge.

What matters is where we are right now, and which direction we're likely to be heading in. despite shuffling teh pack, we appear to be no better off than last year.

I have this funny feeling that Allardyce will be lucky to see out the season with us.

[spencey7]

even we all knew ellington was here on the morning of the 3rd - check the thread on here!!! keep up

And the Kalinic news appeared on here on July 31st.

You lose.

[thenodrog]

Oh and the TheNo, do you know the terms of Andrews contract? I guess not so how do you know its "lucrative" or is that just a word you thought like throwing in to add to the impact. I dont think Andrews is a good player at all and dont think he should be a part of the 1st team, but as a squad players he is useful. When people are fit i dont think he will be in the team, i think he will be on a "decent" contract by premiership standards at best.

I bet he gets many times the salary of the next best paid 2nd Div player. In my book that constitutes the word 'lucrative'.