[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[Gav]

I think the Board / Trust will also be in for a rough ride if things don't go well.

****I do not blame the board or JW for any financial constraints put on the manager****

Whilst I don't think protests should start anytime soon, I think as a set of supporters we’re far to nicey nicey when it comes to such issues, maybe because we’ve had it so good for so long. The trustees are in all intents and purposes taking money out of the club and certainly not pumping anything like as much back in. If this was happening year and year at other clubs, the fans would take a role in trying to oust them from the club.

Look at the Brighton fans a few years ago that came to Blackburn to get rid of Mr Focus DIY, and numerous other instances of direct action that’s had an impact for the good of clubs.

Now lets come back into the real world for a minute, we’re not really hard done to as a set of supporters are we? Accy Stanley fans and hard done to with the club in serious financial strife, as are many other sets of supporters around the country who live day in day out wondering how the club has been so badly mismanaged for years, and how the perpetrators got away with such mismanagement, Sheff Weds is a club that springs to mind.

We are clearly running a tight ship, but the manager has been brought in to work under those constraints and that’s why he was employed. If the manager can’t manage under the current constraints, then he should be shown the door, but if the trustees continue to take the money and not pump it back in, they should be shown the door and maybe the supporters have a part to play in that process.

[thenodrog]

His insufferable arrogance and his monstrous ego will be the undoing of him. I believe he is obsessed with proving that Newcastle were wrong and that he, as always, was right. So he will not learn, he will not take advice, he will not adapt. I for one thought it very interesting that Sbragia preferred to be a scout than work under the great man again.

Newcastle ....and the FA over the England job! I bloody well hope that is the case...... It'll work massively to our benefit. Personal motivation is a necessity for all football managers.

btw Who cares about Spragia's resaons for doing what he does. There could be a myriad of em. Ever thought, heaven forbid ..... that he might be on more brass up there?

[tonygreenbank]

I wouldn't sack but I'd like to know what the game plan is, why didn't we sell Andrews, what the first choice back-four is, who's going to be the midfield provider in the event Dunn gets injured, who the first choice front two will be, how he expects to get the best out of Pedersen (who seems to have been taken over by the Fairy Conspiracy the last two years), why we were so defensive against a knackered beleagured West Ham, and just basically what the bloody hell is going on? From the outside looking in we seem to be a bit of a mess right now.

Telling us to stop carping 'cos he knows best isn't likely to get people on his side.

We have to beat Wolves at home because I can't see much coming from Everton away then Villa at home. if he plays one up front against Wolves there'll be a fair amount of disquiet.

It reminds me of what the Newcastle fans said about him playing for a draw against Derby. What's teh Masterplan, Sam?

Bryan, I have always thought you were one of the more level-headed posters but I think you too have been caught up in the doom and gloom which seems to be pervading this board over the last year.

I cannot accept your use of the word "mess" at all. We are playing in the most competitive league in the world with very little resources compared to most teams. There are clubs in the Championship and Div One with more money and fan base but they have squandered their opportunity with over spending and lack of planning.

Our crowds are some of the highest in our history with the average gate last season of 23,000 which looks set to be broken this time. Only last season the club was recognised by the Times as the best supported club in the Premiership in terms of population size.

We have a board who are inventive when it comes to ticket iniatives and have the best long term interests of the club at heart. I have every confidence in their ability.

We have a good squad of players in terms of experience and we have many internationals. The fact that a player from Real Madrid could even consider coming to Ewood would suggest that the club is hardly in a mess.

Our manager must take a lot of credit for this move and his experience and know- how will only benefit us in the longterm. I find it very depressing that some posters are questioning his abilities after only 3 games. Surely we can learn the lesson from history that clubs who change mangers regularly end up in dire straits. Even Man Utd are still finding out who their best lineup is. Sam does explain his thinking behind the one up front against West Ham and I dont think we will see that very often but I do think that the manager has every right to select a team for a specific match dependent on circumstances. Why should he reveal his "master plan" to his opponents?

I am always optimistic when it comes to Rovers matters and would love us to win the league again but I dont think that will happen in my lifetime so lets just enjoy the moment.

[Big Fat Sam]

One thing I've always wondered with Sam is how open he is? If he gets and idea does he listen to those around him and are those around him strong enough to say when they think he's wrong. Does he take it on board and consider it or does he dismiss it? Sam strikes me as a man fixed in his opinion and methods and that worries me.

I wouldn't sack him he does deserve time to see whether his ideas's transpire into success on the pitch, but he must also accept that the fans are used to a certain style. We've enjoyed 20 years of physhical and attacking football under various football managers and now suddenly we cannot play like that? A top manager develops a system to suit his players strenghts, not enforces a style on them. I worry and always have that what we saw against West Ham is how we would end up playing. You can all claim its a style of nessicity but since I don't see all the teams at our end of the table playing as we do, I refuse to believe it, or accept it.

For the last 20 years I've watched great flank play and gritty team defence that has become a key part of the reason I support and follow the club, its also brought us success of the highest order and just as a West Ham fan wouldn't accept his style I don't. West Ham no better than us and they try to play, try why can't we? As a team for the last few months I have seen football that if I'm being honest I could see at my local non league club. Its horrible to watch and is the key reason I haven't renewed my season ticket this year.

Doom and Gloom surrounds our club our manager seems on the verge of suicicde at times in his interviews and has rarely spoken of our club in a good light, and yet we the fans are meant to support him? Personally as a fan I find it insulting to see him say some of the things he does and in the manner he does. We're assest stripping the playing staff for a reason yet to be explained and have witnessed the polar oppisite to our normal transfer policy. But yet I'm still supposed to put on a smile and head down the Rovers. He claims to have made us a fortune as if its all down to him and him alone, when its so blatantly nothing to do with him, arrogance of the highest degree and disrespectful to those who did play a significant role.

I've heard the manager say certain things that made me go OK, I like that plan its a good one. Only to never see them transpire, 18 quality and then kids hasn't happened, injury prevention seems at present not to be in place.

Some of Sam's signings have had me screaming in frustration here is a supposedly pragmatic and logical manager and yet the balance of our squad which was so close to being superb has been decimated again. 3 right backs signed, why?? No left back with a left foot forcing us to move our best center half there. One of them is costing a fortune and being placed in a role he's never played at the top level. We could easily have gotten in one more central player with the funds at his disposal. Andrews, well I'm confused over him, firstly we turn down a bid give him a new contract, and then a couple of months later hock him around the league. That doesn't strike me as a man acting with a plan. We're failing to get Benni firing and its not as if it hasn't been done before, call Jose and ask him how he handled him.

Tugay departure, grates me as well I really thought in him we could have had a future manager of the highest order. But yet he was just ushered out the door as soon as possible, why? His contract was pay as you play peanuts, but his vision and knowledge of the game was still there I'd hoped to see him attempt to pass it on too our players by becoming a coach. I honestly think Sam wanted him out, it was all sorted before the season was even over.

The lack of an academy coach when its been how long since we mutually agreed to terminate the last ones contract, so surely we had been thinking along these lines for a while. But as it now seems the norm at the club we had no plan after that.

Many people claimed Sam to be a one trick pony before he arrived and whilst there was no doubt he was the right man, we had hoped to see the team and him eveolve a bit more this season. But we're still lobbing the ball forward, lobbing in throw ins and free kicks every time. Thats the same thing he's always done he would appear to be in flexible in his views and style of football. So if our manager is not prepared to change and adapt why should I?

And thats before I even consider what happened last summer, I want hope, I want a manager who not only boosts his players but us the fans. I want to see us try and win, I want to see variety in our play, I want to see progression from last seasons play as promised.

If after ten games I don't see development and progression, I will be of the belief we will never see it under Sam as he will have been here almost one year. I won't scream for his head and whilst I'll still support the club, I won't be getting a season ticket again until it does. Just as you wouldn't spend £40.00 a week and several hours travelling to a restaurant where you loved the restaurant but not the new chefs food, I won't spend over a £1000 pounds a year on something I don't completely enjoy.

Its Sam's and the clubs job to convince me we are moving in the right direction, long term and short term.

Presently I'm no where near being convinced.

[waggy]

Spencey, waggy, bucky off the top of my head

although I'm probably mixing up "shouldn't have appointed him" with sacking him to be fair

show me a post were i said sack him,he deserves a season like ince did,he did not get one will lardarse?

I'm sure they could .... as long as it's not face to face.

i'd love ten minutes with lardarse

[Cocker]

i'd love ten minutes with lardarse

I would love 10 minutes with Angelina Jolie but whatever does it for you I guess

[jim mk2]

i'd love ten minutes with lardarse

If you could replace Allardyce, who would you have as Rovers manager ? (Serious suggestions only please, not a wishlist)

[waggy]

If you could replace Allardyce, who would you have as Rovers manager ? (Serious suggestions only please, not a wishlist)

sven for one

[S15]

sven for one

He said 'serious.'

Ie, someone who wouldn't want £5m a year.

Also may I request mods disable Waggy's ability to post smilies...

All the winks and tongues along with garbage posts add a weird creepiness to his immaturity.

[waggy]

He said 'serious.'

Ie, someone who wouldn't want £5m a year.

Also may I request mods disable Waggy's ability to post smilies...

All the winks and tongues along with garbage posts add a weird creepiness to his immaturity.

listen just put me on ignore if you find it sooooooooooooooo annoying

[Lurid Coat]

All the winks and tongues along with garbage posts add a weird creepiness to his immaturity.

It truly is rather creepy.

[Eddie]

He said 'serious.'

Ie, someone who wouldn't want £5m a year.

Also may I request mods disable Waggy's ability to post smilies...

All the winks and tongues along with garbage posts add a weird creepiness to his immaturity.

I believe SGE is on 40k a week and isn't Allardyce on exactly the same wage?

Not saying that it is a change I would make, but it's not crazy from a financial perspective.

[jim mk2]

sven for one

Eriksson is on huge wages at another employer. Try again.

[RovertheHill]

show me a post were i said sack him,he deserves a season like ince did,he did not get one will lardarse?

i'd love ten minutes with lardarse

Okay so you don't think he should be sacked? Whats with all the anti posts then?

[Eddie]

I think you can be against a manager, or at least not a fan of his, without wanting him to be sacked. I'm unconvinced as to how good of a job Allardyce is doing and how good he will be for the club in the future, but I would never say that he should be sacked right now.

[LeChuck]

Interesting that Waggy hates Allardyce but doesn't mind Sven despite messing us around back in the nineties. His signings at City were far more miss than hit, he couldn't afford to make so many mistakes at a club like ours.

[Eddie]

Far more miss than hit?

[LeChuck]

Far more miss than hit?

Bianchi, Garrido, Caicedo, Bojinov (perhaps due to bad luck), Benjani, Nery Castillo, Geovanni...a lot of money gone on those and City have very, very little to show for any of it.

Corluka was a good one. Elano had a bright start but faded badly. Petrov looked good until he got injured. Gelson Fernandes seemed to have potential but ultimately has be seen as a failure.

[SouthAussieRover]

listen just put me on ignore if you find it sooooooooooooooo annoying

There's no point because people still find the need to quote you though I don't know why.

[Tris]

listen just put me on ignore if you find it sooooooooooooooo annoying

There's no point because still find the need to quote you though I don't know why.

aaaaahhh, how sweet ...

[SouthAussieRover]

There's no point because people still find the need to quote you though I don't know why.

aaaaahhh, how sweet ...

Look Tris it had a before you edited it.

Your feelings for Waggy are your own business.

[Tris]

Look Tris it had a before you edited it.

Your feelings for Waggy are your own business.

Look Don you missed the word PEOPLE out of your original post, and you can't change it when it's QUOTED.

[SouthAussieRover]

Look Don you missed the word PEOPLE out of your original post, and you can't change it when it's QUOTED.

Why how remiss of me.

Though how ironic hey, given Waggy can barely construct a sentence that makes much sense.

[neekoy]

That's exactly the sort of BULL that people were coming out with when Ince was in charge.

What matters is where we are right now, and which direction we're likely to be heading in. despite shuffling teh pack, we appear to be no better off than last year.

I have this funny feeling that Allardyce will be lucky to see out the season with us.

C'mon seriously Bryan? Whilst the stats show yes you are correct in your summation you must admit the quality of what we have seen on the football field (barring WH) is to a much higher standard.

We could have taken points in any game we have played this year, something I didn't feel under Ince.

Interesting that Waggy hates Allardyce but doesn't mind Sven despite messing us around back in the nineties. His signings at City were far more miss than hit, he couldn't afford to make so many mistakes at a club like ours.

Got to agree

Whilst I think Sven is actually a very very good Manager (under the right circumstances), his treatment of the club previously casts doubt in my eyes.

[thenodrog]

Whilst I think Sven is actually a very very good Manager (under the right circumstances), his treatment of the club previously casts doubt in my eyes.

When was the last time SGE managed a club with a desperately tight budget?