[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[DarrellH]

No 1 man is bigger than BRFC - Agree totally

Till your last breath - Good on you

Compete - I understand totally, however any team containing MGP, Roberts & Nelsen is never going to do that against a top 4 premier league side...its as simple as that...Its time to move them on

In the main you are right about the players who were on the pitch today... MGP, Roberts and Nelsen are not good enough but come on FFS, MK Dons would have given a better performace in a Cup game against Chelsea than that sh1te today... At the end of the day they are professional players being paid ludicrous amounts of money.

I think the ultimate problem with modern football is that they know that fail or succeed they will have their contract paid out... That is the crux for me - Brian Kidd being the prime example aswell as Ince - failed miserably but thankyou very much - contract paid out! Me or you can only dream of such a scenario.

[47er]

No 1 man is bigger than BRFC - Agree totally

Till your last breath - Good on you

Compete - I understand totally, however any team containing MGP, Roberts & Nelsen is never going to do that against a top 4 premier league side...its as simple as that...Its time to move them on

You forget Andrews--the worst of the lot. As for MGP he has lost all confidence. He had a really good chance early on and totally bottled it.

[tony gale's mic]

I dont understand where all this bull about him supposedly telling the team to try less hard against the big teams is coming from. It's banded around on here like its some kind of gospel truth by some.

Yes we've lost badly to Chelsea and Arsenal this month but Chelsea was an awful performance (players and manager to blame) but partly brought on by illness to the backbone of our team. Arsenal to be fair the team gave a bloody good go and were level for a good while before we were outclassed by a much better team. Did Sam tell the team to give up when we deserved at least a draw at Old Trafford last season? Did he say to the team vs Villa "right, 10 men vs a top 6 side, let's just roll over"?

Sure we've had a fair few poor performances against the big teams but to suggest thats down to deliberate instructions from Sam is utter rubbish.

[S15]

The same comment based on fans booing him at home, chanting Gallagher and Derbyshite? Im hardly suprised he came out with that statement to be honest.

HE kept us up last season....he earned alot of respect for that... Get behind your manager...get behind your club...get behind you players and Grow a pair!

Fickle, Fickle fans!

You're even more embarrassing than the most fickle fan with your mindless one sided slant on every single Rovers related matter.

I have supported Allardyce, and will continue to support Allardyce whilst we are winning enough games to keep us comfortably safe, but yesterday was unacceptable, and there is only so many humiliations we can take before his position has to be evaluated.

The biggest question to be asked right now is how £6m can be spent on a striker who it seems wont be ready to play regularly before Xmas. Not at Blackburn Rovers in 2009 Sam, not a cat in hells chance. That money could have been used far more wisely, as our midfield is of mid table Championship quality.

And back to your post Hughesy, ''chanting Gallagher and Derbyshite?'' This statement sums you up to a tee, when these players are on our books they are great prospects, but as soon as they're gone they are '@#/??' Think you need to 'grow a pair' and not simply take the option of constant one sided bias, because your opinions have got to the point where they aren't even worth thinking about.

[Ozz]

How come for someone who had such a great reputation for taking on the big four with Bolton, his record against them for us is so rubbish, and furthermore the performances so tame?

Played 6, lost 6, scored 3 conceded 23.

Can't work it out.

[Parsonblue]

I certainly won't criticise the manager for yesterday's defeat. For the second time in a month I have returned from London, disappointed with a defeat but having thoroughly enjoyed the football that I have seen. When you pay £47 to watch a match at Stamford Bridge, you are paying to watch two teams - not just one - and yesterday some of Chelsea's football was breathtaking.

The Rovers are one of the paupers of this division. That is now fact. Yesterday we played one of the big clubs who played to their full potential. There was only ever going to be one outcome. Let's not forget that we have had to sell last season's 'Player of the Year' simply to fund the wage bill - and yet people expect us to go to face a Chelsea team full of world class players and compete?

I honestly believe that if the top teams play to their potential that we have little chance of competing with them over 90 minutes. If we catch them on a bad day, as Wigan did with Chelsea the other week, we have a chance of getting something. Ultimately, we have to be on top of our game and the opposition have to be below par for us to get anything from the top teams. Take out Chelsea, Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester City and I believe our season is now coming down to what we do in the remaining 28 games. If those top five play to their full potential they are always going to beat us.

The manager cannot be held responsible for the fact that the club are financially unable to compete with an increasing number of Premier League clubs. Unfortunately, with money in such short supply a couple of his moves into the transfer market have simply not worked so far. Salgado looks the type of player who we signed in the days before Jack Walker - a player who has enjoyed a glittering career but is now well past his best. Sometimes those signings work - Kevin Moran, for one, - and sometimes they don't - John Radford. At the moment Salgado has been a disappointment. The other move that has not worked so far is that of Kalinic. At £6 million we needed the finished article and at the moment he looks a long way from that.

However, I still believe that Sam is the right man for the club - and anyway could the club actually afford another change of manager? - but clearly results away from home are going to have to improve when we start playing the teams around us in the League.

The days of chasing European qualification are over for the time being. That's not the manager's fault but simply down to the fact that finances have dictated that the Rovers prime concern for this and the coming seasons is Premier League survival.

[thenodrog]

How come for someone who had such a great reputation for taking on the big four with Bolton, his record against them for us is so rubbish, and furthermore the performances so tame?

Played 6, lost 6, scored 3 conceded 23.

Can't work it out.

Don't forget he had the superb Campo in deep midfield defending deep and marshalling the other players around him.

[John]

However, I still believe that Sam is the right man for the club

Of course he is, madness to suggest otherwise.

Thought his post match comments were bang on the mark - you could see yesterday he is/was very frustrated with the way certain things were going.

It took him time at Bolton to make them a strong PL team, sadly, even with one of the lowest transfer budgets in the league, he is not given that luxury by some.

[Bobby G]

I do believe that Sam has to change his approach to away games especially against the bigger teams. We are not competing and we are NOT good enough to sit back and defend, that's for sure.

[nicko]

Keep it real.

You were without your best defender and most likely scorer from set-pieces in Chris Samba.

You were without your most influential attacking player in David Dunn.

It's a major reality check and a sore one, but what is wrong with modern-day football is not just the imbalance of the big and the small clubs but the total hysterics of fans who only see in black and white.

[Amo]

You're even more embarrassing than the most fickle fan with your mindless one sided slant on every single Rovers related matter.

I have supported Allardyce, and will continue to support Allardyce whilst we are winning enough games to keep us comfortably safe, but yesterday was unacceptable, and there is only so many humiliations we can take before his position has to be evaluated.

The biggest question to be asked right now is how £6m can be spent on a striker who it seems wont be ready to play regularly before Xmas. Not at Blackburn Rovers in 2009 Sam, not a cat in hells chance. That money could have been used far more wisely, as our midfield is of mid table Championship quality.

And back to your post Hughesy, ''chanting Gallagher and Derbyshite?'' This statement sums you up to a tee, when these players are on our books they are great prospects, but as soon as they're gone they are '@#/??' Think you need to 'grow a pair' and not simply take the option of constant one sided bias, because your opinions have got to the point where they aren't even worth thinking about.

To be honest, Hughesy was exactly the same when that burk Ince was in charge, until he had no choice but to 180.

I'm still backing Sam, but that doesn't make him above reproach.

[Mozzer]

ive always wanted sam allardyce since mark hughes left us - and ive seen nothing to change my mind - i believe he is the right man for the job and ive seen nothing to suggest other wise ..

the knee jerk reactions are ridiculous - its funny because when we win a game no one says anything its only when we get beat - GET REAL

in my opinion there is simply no one better out there realistically who could do a better job then allardyce - its his first full season in charge - hes still learning about which players are good enough and which arent - hes stil trying to make the team his own and not the shambles that was under paul ince ..

give the guy a chance !!!

[philipl]

Ok, I did not want Sam but I definitely did not want Ince. There are better options than Sam- two are within 20 miles of Ewood: Martinez and Coyle.

But Sam did a brilliant job saving us from relegation and I have tried to make sense of yesterday. This is my utterly cynical interpretation and I guess we all know deep down that Sam will have at the very least thought these thoughts-

We want Di Santo for the rest of the season so we need to show we will disrupt the Mancs and go easy on Chelsea.

We simply are not going to risk anyone marginally less than 100% in a game where the chance of points are slim to zero.

We did no closing down at all yesterday. What do you get when you close down players with feet as quick as the Chelski boys? Yellow and red cards. We got no cards yesterday so that is another game closer to the Chrismas armistice and avoiding suspensions.

Now less cynical-

The game plan was to give no space for Chelsea give and goes around our box. Chelsea managed to get through with quick interplay just the once and Nelsen conceded the penalty.

A keeper with Robo's reactions is going to field the majority of 30 yard strikes so playing percentages, it is better to cede space 30 yards out for Robo to save shots than get carved open through playing a higher line allowing Anelka or Drogba to run through one on one.

In the first half, Rovers did throw a lot of bodies forward when we had posession in the final third- we had six players in camera shot at their end prior to the counter attack that brought the Givet og. The problem was in the execution which was primarilly MGP having a total nightmare. Did he get one delivery on target? If he did, I don't remember it.

[PAFELL]

Keep it real.

You were without your best defender and most likely scorer from set-pieces in Chris Samba.

You were without your most influential attacking player in David Dunn.

It's a major reality check and a sore one, but what is wrong with modern-day football is not just the imbalance of the big and the small clubs but the total hysterics of fans who only see in black and white.

Nicko, It was mentioned on Goals on Sunday that some of the rovers players have swine flu - some of those played in the game - any truth in that? If it was true then the whole squad should have been prevented from going to a public venue?

Even with a fully fit squad Rovers would have got beat yesterday - I do not think it is the result that is getting to Rovers supporters - but the lack of trying and the weak effort from most of the players. Yes having Samba and Dunn playing, may have helped a little, but if the rest of the team are not willing to put the effort in, even those two would not have influenced the game.

Sam has said that they ignored - the players - the game plan given to them at Half time -is this a sign of the players losing support in Sam?

[FourLaneBlue]

The other move that has not worked so far is that of Kalinic. At £6 million we needed the finished article and at the moment he looks a long way from that.

6 million no longer buys the finished article. It either buys mediocrity or a punt on what could be, in time, a quality striker.

Not sure which one we have got yet...

[MarkBRFC71]

For me it's simple. We ARE going to lose heavily next week against United, but it's the manner of the defeat that's important. Another capitulation like yesterday, followed by a loss to Portsmouth and Allardyce has to go.

[broadsword]

I do find it quite strange that Allardyce insisted that the priority this summer was to get strikers in, and that if we weren't able to get anyone else in because of the budget, then so be it.

Given that, why has Roberts started so many games in a 4-5-1?

[tony gale's mic]

For me it's simple. We ARE going to lose heavily next week against United, but it's the manner of the defeat that's important. Another capitulation like yesterday, followed by a loss to Portsmouth and Allardyce has to go.

Typical Allardyce baiting nonsense. You say we ARE going to lose heavily next week (which is admittedly fairly probable) but then you say its the manner of the defeat thats important? We lost heavily vs Arsenal but considering how long we were in the match for you cant call that a capitulation, we were just outclassed. I'll be very disappointed if we lose against Pompey but that on its own is no way indicative that Sam has to go.

[Steve Moss]

For me it's simple. We ARE going to lose heavily next week against United, but it's the manner of the defeat that's important. Another capitulation like yesterday, followed by a loss to Portsmouth and Allardyce has to go.

We will beat Peterborough. And our squad has to make amends, it is not a bad squad, so I expect them to come on strong against ManU and take either a win or draw.

And if I am wrong we should still stick with Sam. He will have taken 10 points in ten games, in a harsh sequence of matches. Should it have been more? Maybe. But he will keep us up and we will finish 8-10, I'm convinced. Don't wreck our chances of a solid finish (with all the additional funds and potential improvement that implies), because of poor results against the top 4-6.

[Commondore]

Some lovely quotes from Allardyce after yesterdays game:

"They are listening because of what happened in the first half but what they are deciding is that when they are 2-0 down, they try and score three. That is a bit naive to say the least.

"It is Stamford Bridge. Scoring one is hard enough. Chelsea have only conceded one all season. I told them all about that and if they were going to get a result, it was going to be a 0-0.

"The object is not to let the opposition score and that is the best way to get a result at Stamford Bridge.

[1864roverite]

Sam

a bit of advice.

Rovers need a central midfielder.

Any of the following on a loan basis would do the trick and ALL are available in January and probsbly would be glad of a game.

Wilshere/Ramsey - Arsenal

Turnbull and Hutchinson - Chelsea

Bentley - Spurs

Johnson and Etuhu - Man City

Granero and gago - Real Madrid.

We have space for a loanee GO AND GET ONE

[joey_big_nose]

The game was an utter humiliation, much worse than Arsenal where we were decent for 60 minutes. However we were also missing arguably four of our best players (Di Santo, Chimbonda, Samba and Dunn) which was a major problem.

We have to do better against Man Utd.

A slight plus is that it looks like Salgado is up to speed. But where will we play him?

Major negative is Kalinic looks poor. I don't think he can work in a 451 - he just doesn't seem strong enough. If Di Santo goes back to Chelsea we could have a major problem.

Hoilett looked lively but had no final ball.

[thenodrog]

We will beat Peterborough. And our squad has to make amends, it is not a bad squad, so I expect them to come on strong against ManU and take either a win or draw.

Might have had more chance if the scousers had not turned em over this aft!

[Hughesy]

Sam

a bit of advice.

Rovers need a central midfielder.

Any of the following on a loan basis would do the trick and ALL are available in January and probsbly would be glad of a game.

Wilshere/Ramsey - Arsenal

Turnbull and Hutchinson - Chelsea

Bentley - Spurs

Johnson and Etuhu - Man City

Granero and gago - Real Madrid.

We have space for a loanee GO AND GET ONE

Can we have more than 1 domestic loan?!

[BRFC1995]

Sam

a bit of advice.

Rovers need a central midfielder.

Any of the following on a loan basis would do the trick and ALL are available in January and probsbly would be glad of a game.

Wilshere/Ramsey - Arsenal

Turnbull and Hutchinson - Chelsea

Bentley - Spurs

Johnson and Etuhu - Man City

Granero and gago - Real Madrid.

We have space for a loanee GO AND GET ONE

be serious, none of them are available on loan, cloud cuckoo land the players from arsenal and real and its more than likely huge wads of cash to buy before you try on the others and untried chelsea nippers will not be the answer..............worst post ive read in a long time