[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[waggy]

Do you enjoy a good movie or a nice day out Waggy? Something away from this board?

does that mean you won't be putting me up in the summer

Shocked to hear that Waggy would sack our manager asap! Quite true that we would all prefer Hughes who is as good a manager as we've ever had imo and arguably the best in living memory based on budget considerations. However he left because he wanted to and we move on. We need all the support we can get Waggy, time to end your vendetta.

i said END OF THE SEASON

[waggy]

Whats this crap about limited resorces,he has wasted £10 million on nicola and that pensioner from madrid,if i was the manager i would buy players that can play NOW not next year

[DaveyB]

Who says sides should be ok if they play pretty? Forgetting West Brom last season are we? Wigan & Fulham dont look too clever either mate!

Pathetic excuses. Do you watch the games or just listen to the media hype? So far at home this season we have had 1 poor half against Pompey and a dodgy game against West Ham (Who we never beat). All the rest - City, Wolves, Burnley, Villa & 45 mins against Pompey have been good. We have also scored 11 goals in the last 4 home games....Not bad!

What legacy you talking about - constant top 6 finishes? Upsetting the big boys? Getting into Europe?

As far as im concerned...you play to your strengths - we have a big team, with a long thrower on the left wing - makes sense to use it...or should we just throw it back to the full back for you, then play it accross to Nelsen, who can then just lump it anywhere like he always has done?!

Bolton struggled when Sam left because they got a @#/? manager to replace him....like us with Hughes and Ince.

I didn't say that they should be ok because they play good football - just pointing out that they do play good football and, imo, will probably manage to stay up at the end of the season - something which, according to many on here, is an impossibility. Yes West Brom did go down despite playing some nice football - Sheff Utd also got relegated when they were in the Prem playing @#/? negative longball football. What's your point?

Also, I didn't blame Bolton's demise on Allardyce - just stated that by the time he left them he had built a squad that only knew how to play one way. Many Bolton fans that I know think that it wasn't so much Sammy Lee's lack of managerial ability as his naivety in trying to change the way they played that caused them to drop so quickly. That's why Megson has seemingly done ok there - he has them back playing 'Allardyce' football. That, as far as I'm concerned, would be the worst thing to come out of Sam's employment at our club - if he stays too long we'll become a club who only know how to play one way.

The above post has just proven that you are not actually a Blackburn fan are you? Why don't you find something else to do of a weekend?

Hughesy has made valid points and done a good job of it. You must agree that there has actually been some pretty good football played by Rovers at times this season. Or do you wear blinkers and don't want to see the positives?

We're doing o.k this season, Sam has got us to the quarter final of the League cup and come Christmas there's every chance we'll be sitting no lower than 10th. I'll not argue with that for the first half of the season.

By the way, if you didn't want to pay £25 for the Liverpool, Man Utd etc games why didn't you get season tickets on the BBE or Riverside?

You mention football should be about excitement... Are you telling me Saturday was not exciting? That,s one of the best second halves I've seen in a long time. You also mention that you'll have to put up with Sam for the rest of the season, I hate to break this to you pal but Sam was actually in charge half of last season, and, wait for it.... he was in charge when you bought your season ticket!!!

Are you really a dingle? Come on, we know you are really.

Maybe I should find something else to do of a weekend - and judging by the number of empty seats in the 'sold out' BE last week, it does appear that I'm not alone in feeling this way - but then no doubt you'll be on here complaining about the size of the crowds.

I know that Sam was manager when I bought my season ticket - which is why I say that I very nearly didn't. But after 20+ years of having one, it would have been something of a wrench to give it up, plus the fact that the prices made it very hard to say no - especially in the DE.

Nor was I complaining about having to pay £25 for a ticket for the Liverpool game - If I thought it would be a good, evenly contested, game I wouldn't hesitate in paying it - but I figure, based on the evidence of the season so far, that it will be 90 minutes of us defending for our lives, whilst squandering possession whenever we have it - hoping that Liverpool don't manage to score as we don't have a plan B, once our Plan A of hoping for a nil-nil has gone. And so I won't be wasting my £25 coming to watch it.

If that makes me a dingle - then so be it. I wouldn't go and watch a film I knew would be ######, just because I like the director or actor, nor would I buy an album of a band I like if I didn't like any of the songs on it - so I won't pay any more money to watch the @#/? that is being served up at Ewood.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that football is entertainment. If we accept that we're unlikely to win the league any time soon, and that mid-table is probably the best we can hope for, then why not try and get there by entertaining and exciting our fans, letting the players go out and express themselves with falir and skill - afterall that's why they get paid so much.

You say that the 2nd half against Pompey was exciting - how many shots did their keeper have to make? How many bits of skill or trickery from one of our players had you on your feet? To me, yes it was an improvement on the 1st half (couldn't have been worse), but really the only difference between the sides was that they missed 2 chances from set-pieces and we scored our 2.

[S15]

Whats this crap about limited resorces,he has wasted £10 million on nicola and that pensioner from madrid,if i was the manager i would buy players that can play NOW not next year

Waggy, your argument is based only on hatred. Every time you voice an opinion it's even more pointless and irrelevant to anyone with a balanced mind who might be reading. If he spent money on players who were clearly short term fixes you'd only say ''why isn't he building for the future.'' A discussion with you feels like an argument with a 5 year old.

His managerial career stats show he's a good manager, certainly more than qualified to manage Blackburn Rovers. On top of that, he's doing a good job. I'll ask you Waggy, how well should be doing taking into account what we've spent and what everyone else in the league has spent. What position should we be in?

[unluckymorton]

I didn't say that they should be ok because they play good football - just pointing out that they do play good football and, imo, will probably manage to stay up at the end of the season - something which, according to many on here, is an impossibility. Yes West Brom did go down despite playing some nice football - Sheff Utd also got relegated when they were in the Prem playing @#/? negative longball football. What's your point?

Also, I didn't blame Bolton's demise on Allardyce - just stated that by the time he left them he had built a squad that only knew how to play one way. Many Bolton fans that I know think that it wasn't so much Sammy Lee's lack of managerial ability as his naivety in trying to change the way they played that caused them to drop so quickly. That's why Megson has seemingly done ok there - he has them back playing 'Allardyce' football. That, as far as I'm concerned, would be the worst thing to come out of Sam's employment at our club - if he stays too long we'll become a club who only know how to play one way.

Maybe I should find something else to do of a weekend - and judging by the number of empty seats in the 'sold out' BE last week, it does appear that I'm not alone in feeling this way - but then no doubt you'll be on here complaining about the size of the crowds.

I know that Sam was manager when I bought my season ticket - which is why I say that I very nearly didn't. But after 20+ years of having one, it would have been something of a wrench to give it up, plus the fact that the prices made it very hard to say no - especially in the DE.

Nor was I complaining about having to pay £25 for a ticket for the Liverpool game - If I thought it would be a good, evenly contested, game I wouldn't hesitate in paying it - but I figure, based on the evidence of the season so far, that it will be 90 minutes of us defending for our lives, whilst squandering possession whenever we have it - hoping that Liverpool don't manage to score as we don't have a plan B, once our Plan A of hoping for a nil-nil has gone. And so I won't be wasting my £25 coming to watch it.

If that makes me a dingle - then so be it. I wouldn't go and watch a film I knew would be ######, just because I like the director or actor, nor would I buy an album of a band I like if I didn't like any of the songs on it - so I won't pay any more money to watch the @#/? that is being served up at Ewood.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that football is entertainment. If we accept that we're unlikely to win the league any time soon, and that mid-table is probably the best we can hope for, then why not try and get there by entertaining and exciting our fans, letting the players go out and express themselves with falir and skill - afterall that's why they get paid so much.

You say that the 2nd half against Pompey was exciting - how many shots did their keeper have to make? How many bits of skill or trickery from one of our players had you on your feet? To me, yes it was an improvement on the 1st half (couldn't have been worse), but really the only difference between the sides was that they missed 2 chances from set-pieces and we scored our 2.

Do you have the only restricted view seat on the Darwen End? I though Benni showed tremendous skill in the second half.

I feel our club is not the right club for you. I'm a season ticket holder for over 20 years too but I have come back down to earth since our glory years, maybe a few others need to too...

Although things could be a lot better I also believe things could be a lot worse. Look on the bright side and support the team and the manager.

[Hughesy]

Many Bolton fans that I know think that it wasn't so much Sammy Lee's lack of managerial ability as his naivety in trying to change the way they played that caused them to drop so quickly.

Interesting - I know at least 80-100 Bolton fans and everyone of them would love BIG SAM back in charge and they hate Megson.

[thenodrog]

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that football is entertainment.

In that case you are in the minority daveyb, Surveys in the past have told us that the majority of supporters put winning before entertaining. Maybe we are all our worst enemies but there you go.

My only fault with Allardyce is that we are not as cussed and bloody minded as I expected and seem easier to beat than I would have expected when he came. I trust that a midfielder or two of quality will alter that.

Whats this crap about limited resorces,he has wasted £10 million on nicola and that pensioner from madrid,if i was the manager i would buy players that can play NOW not next year

If you were a manager? But you're not a manager waggy so thats that. If my auntie had ######.......

[1864roverite]

I dont think anyone can complain of a crowd of 23000 plus at home to a very poor Portsmouth outfit, after all they brought very few fans themselves.

the next homegame will be boosted by 3000 travelling Stoke fans so that should make the gate around the 26000 mark, not bad at all for a struggling team that cant play football, or has no hope, or who have only a jury as fans, who's team only play hoofball, a team that has won 5 on the bounce at home, a team that has only lost 1 game at home whilst Sam has been in charge.

You can really put the crowds down to the manager cant you.

WHAT AN UTTER STUPID STATEMENT.

Rovers crowds are UP NOT DOWN.

[Steve Moss]

My only fault with Allardyce is that we are not as cussed and bloody minded as I expected and seem easier to beat than I would have expected when he came. I trust that a midfielder or two of quality will alter that.

I hope so. I believe that as Sam brings in his own players the mental toughness of the squad will improve. There may be some who think they have no place in Sam's long term plans and so either think "why bother" or otherwise don't go all in, hoping to keep fit so they can get another contract elsewhere ASAP.

[47er]

Philipl I've said very much the same thing previously that it is our inconsistency which is dividing fans about Sam. Hughes for the most part did well pretty much all of the time, we all were optimistic under him. Ince on the other hand, well halfway through his reign pretty much everyone had given up expecting anything other than a defeat. The problem with Sam is that we are seeing the best and worst of rovers - often in the same game, certainly within the space of a couple of weeks.

Because we've seen some excellent stuff under Sam by rovers - the dingles first half was awsome stuff, as was our comeback vs Villa, it makes the bad football we've played all the more frustrating, because we know that the team is capable of playing and performing well. I think this knowledge of our potential under Sam, which we've seen at times this seasons, makes the negatives all the harder to take.

I think that is fair criticism unlike some posts on here and something the manager has to address. A better mid-field would help!

[Miker]

Miker..surely after all but 12 months he should know his best team.

Re-read my post, he's been here nearly 12 months, but he never had a fully fit squad when he first came. How can you assess a team accurately when players are out injured and you have constant disruptions to your squad? Realistically managers need more than a couple of games to judge players, I believe they need a full season to really take a look at players and decide exactly how they want the team to play and what players work in which roles and positions.

How can you know your best team when you have games where Dunn and Di Santo have shined in a 4-2-3-1 and then play Portsmouth and have McCarthy and Roberts shine when we play with more than 1 up front? Judging by games, Sam hasn't had anywhere near enough time to assess what works and what doesn't for our team with any degree of certainty. That's just my opinion.

[chocky]

I dont think anyone can complain of a crowd of 23000 plus at home to a very poor Portsmouth outfit, after all they brought very few fans themselves.

the next homegame will be boosted by 3000 travelling Stoke fans so that should make the gate around the 26000 mark, not bad at all for a struggling team that cant play football, or has no hope, or who have only a jury as fans, who's team only play hoofball, a team that has won 5 on the bounce at home, a team that has only lost 1 game at home whilst Sam has been in charge.

You can really put the crowds down to the manager cant you.

WHAT AN UTTER STUPID STATEMENT.

Rovers crowds are UP NOT DOWN.

Where did he say the crowds are down.?...

[Miker]

Also, I didn't blame Bolton's demise on Allardyce - just stated that by the time he left them he had built a squad that only knew how to play one way. Many Bolton fans that I know think that it wasn't so much Sammy Lee's lack of managerial ability as his naivety in trying to change the way they played that caused them to drop so quickly. That's why Megson has seemingly done ok there - he has them back playing 'Allardyce' football. That, as far as I'm concerned, would be the worst thing to come out of Sam's employment at our club - if he stays too long we'll become a club who only know how to play one way.

I've watched a few Bolton games this season, they played fast-paced football along the ground and didn't look anything like a long ball, physical team you claim they are under Megson. Sam has changed his tactics and formations around numerous times already since he joined us, so you have absolutely no basis for making that statement, other than your preconceived opinion of him.

If that makes me a dingle - then so be it. I wouldn't go and watch a film I knew would be ######, just because I like the director or actor, nor would I buy an album of a band I like if I didn't like any of the songs on it - so I won't pay any more money to watch the @#/? that is being served up at Ewood.

How is that the same? You not watching a film or buying an album coz it's bad, assumes that you've either already seen/heard it or someone has told you it's crap, so you listen to their opinion. So by not wanting to go see a Blackburn game, you either A) have a preconceived notion that the game will be crap or want live football matches to be given to you free, illegally, before you decide to pay.

You say that the 2nd half against Pompey was exciting - how many shots did their keeper have to make? How many bits of skill or trickery from one of our players had you on your feet? To me, yes it was an improvement on the 1st half (couldn't have been worse), but really the only difference between the sides was that they missed 2 chances from set-pieces and we scored our 2.

Skill or trickery? Where have you been for the past 3 years or so, skill and trickery from our players has been rare since the Hughes days.

[1864roverite]

Its in reference to the empty seats comments

[waggy]

we have beat 2 promoted teams at home ,the bottom of the league and a great victory against villa.only the villa victory was unexpected.our next 4 home games will tell us all we need to know about this season,stoke and blunderland need to be beat,and we need to get results of spurs and liverpoo. if we are unbeaten at home after these home games i will begin to think lardarse brings something to the table

[super_arran]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/blackburn_rovers/8344621.stm

Sam looking at the bigger picture

apologises if it's already been mentioned

[spencey7]

I've watched a few Bolton games this season, they played fast-paced football along the ground and didn't look anything like a long ball, physical team you claim they are under Megson.

More proof, if ever it were needed, that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Allardyce Fans really do live in dreamland.

[trueblue]

More proof, if ever it were needed, that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Allardyce Fans really do live in dreamland.

How does that prove he has no idea what he's talking about??? the guy is making an observation about the Bolton matches he's seen recently... have you seen them?? have YOU got a clue what HE's on about???

From your remarks I seriously doubt it!

[Miker]

How does that prove he has no idea what he's talking about??? the guy is making an observation about the Bolton matches he's seen recently... have you seen them?? have YOU got a clue what HE's on about???

From your remarks I seriously doubt it!

The answer is, he doesn't. All he ever does is come on here to discard opinions he doesn't agree with or mock the manager and players. I was referring to Bolton's game against Liverpool in my post, if you watched that and thought they were dire then, well... I really have nothing to say to you at all.

I'm not living in dreamland, you're just living in an egocentric universe where you are the club and everyone else, including the fans, manager and the players do not matter.

I completely agree with waggy's statement and have mentioned it previously that Sam should be judged by the next few games leading up to the end of the year.

[thenodrog]

I didn't say that they should be ok because they play good football - just pointing out that they do play good football and, imo, will probably manage to stay up at the end of the season - something which, according to many on here, is an impossibility. Yes West Brom did go down despite playing some nice football - Sheff Utd also got relegated when they were in the Prem playing @#/? negative longball football. What's your point?

Also, I didn't blame Bolton's demise on Allardyce - just stated that by the time he left them he had built a squad that only knew how to play one way. Many Bolton fans that I know think that it wasn't so much Sammy Lee's lack of managerial ability as his naivety in trying to change the way they played that caused them to drop so quickly. That's why Megson has seemingly done ok there - he has them back playing 'Allardyce' football. That, as far as I'm concerned, would be the worst thing to come out of Sam's employment at our club - if he stays too long we'll become a club who only know how to play one way.

Maybe I should find something else to do of a weekend - and judging by the number of empty seats in the 'sold out' BE last week, it does appear that I'm not alone in feeling this way - but then no doubt you'll be on here complaining about the size of the crowds.

I know that Sam was manager when I bought my season ticket - which is why I say that I very nearly didn't. But after 20+ years of having one, it would have been something of a wrench to give it up, plus the fact that the prices made it very hard to say no - especially in the DE.

Nor was I complaining about having to pay £25 for a ticket for the Liverpool game - If I thought it would be a good, evenly contested, game I wouldn't hesitate in paying it - but I figure, based on the evidence of the season so far, that it will be 90 minutes of us defending for our lives, whilst squandering possession whenever we have it - hoping that Liverpool don't manage to score as we don't have a plan B, once our Plan A of hoping for a nil-nil has gone. And so I won't be wasting my £25 coming to watch it.

If that makes me a dingle - then so be it. I wouldn't go and watch a film I knew would be ######, just because I like the director or actor, nor would I buy an album of a band I like if I didn't like any of the songs on it - so I won't pay any more money to watch the @#/? that is being served up at Ewood.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that football is entertainment. If we accept that we're unlikely to win the league any time soon, and that mid-table is probably the best we can hope for, then why not try and get there by entertaining and exciting our fans, letting the players go out and express themselves with falir and skill - afterall that's why they get paid so much.

You say that the 2nd half against Pompey was exciting - how many shots did their keeper have to make? How many bits of skill or trickery from one of our players had you on your feet? To me, yes it was an improvement on the 1st half (couldn't have been worse), but really the only difference between the sides was that they missed 2 chances from set-pieces and we scored our 2.

One day you will look back at your attitude and stance in a different light DaveyB. One of regret and remorse I would suggest.

You remind me of my attitude when I was 11 and rovers were relegated. I was embittered and angry at the time and took a youthfull 'serves em right' approach BUT it took us 25 years and the fluke that was Jack Walker to get back into the top fight! imo what goes around will come around. You obviously don't agree but I can assure you being there is absolutely precious. Use it or lose it.

[spencey7]

I completely agree with waggy's statement and have mentioned it previously that Sam should be judged by the next few games leading up to the end of the year.

You're kidding me?!? A time is actually about to arrive when we can FINALLY judge Sam Allardyce~?!?!? I honestly thought the day would never arrive.

Fact is - he's already out, and just on borrowed time. He has never been fully accepted by the majority of fans I know, and never will be. Rovers fans won't accept this brand of football, and rightly so.

[thenodrog]

if we are unbeaten at home after these home games i will begin to think lardarse brings something to the table

I imagine that Sam 'lardarse' will be on absolute tenterhooks waiting for the verdict on his managerial ability from waggy 'mardarse'.

[Stuart]

Not so quick to judge now Theno. Waggy just made a big step towards returning to Ewood.

I agree with some other posters on here. We'll start to see what this squad can really do over the next couple of months - and exactly how Sam intends to set up when we are actually in the hunt for points. Particularly following the Pompey scare.

[Parsonblue]

One day you will look back at your attitude and stance in a different light DaveyB. One of regret and remorse I would suggest.

You remind me of my attitude when I was 11 and rovers were relegated. I was embittered and angry at the time and took a youthfull 'serves em right' approach BUT it took us 25 years and the fluke that was Jack Walker to get back into the top fight! imo what goes around will come around. You obviously don't agree but I can assure you being there is absolutely precious. Use it or lose it.

For me, this post perfectly sums up the reasons why so many of us feel so strongly about Sam. When Hughes left for Manchester City I must admit that Sam was the man who I wanted to replace him. The reason was not that I was an admirer of his style of football but because I felt he was the man most likely to ensure our continued survival in the Premier League. I too, remember the pain of relegation in 1965-66 and the quarter of a century spent outside of the top flight of English football. We have gambled once with the future of the club with the appointment of Paul Ince and that almost ended in tears.

I have no doubt that the next few seasons will see us continually flirting with relegation. The nature of the Premier League and its financing means that smaller clubs like ourselves are going to find it increasingly difficult to survive at this level. Having watched the likes of Clayton, Douglas, McEvoy, Pickering etc., and then endured a quarter of a century outside of the top division, I am quite happy to sacrifice style for continued Premier League survival. Although there are no guarantees, I simply believe that Sam offers us the best chance of continued Premier League football on a limited budget.

[jim mk2]

For me, this post perfectly sums up the reasons why so many of us feel so strongly about Sam. When Hughes left for Manchester City I must admit that Sam was the man who I wanted to replace him. The reason was not that I was an admirer of his style of football but because I felt he was the man most likely to ensure our continued survival in the Premier League. I too, remember the pain of relegation in 1965-66 and the quarter of a century spent outside of the top flight of English football. We have gambled once with the future of the club with the appointment of Paul Ince and that almost ended in tears.

I have no doubt that the next few seasons will see us continually flirting with relegation. The nature of the Premier League and its financing means that smaller clubs like ourselves are going to find it increasingly difficult to survive at this level. Having watched the likes of Clayton, Douglas, McEvoy, Pickering etc., and then endured a quarter of a century outside of the top division, I am quite happy to sacrifice style for continued Premier League survival. Although there are no guarantees, I simply believe that Sam offers us the best chance of continued Premier League football on a limited budget.

Amen and close the thread.

Nothing more needs to be said.