[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[ABBEY]

Because the bolton game WAS fantastic...needed building on but we went back to earlier dross without learning from...DOH! If you can't see it your gullible pal.

[47er]

And so was the Villa performance and the Wolves and the Burnley and the Portsmouth. You are delusional if you think we can play like that every week-----pal.

[ABBEY]

Tell you what you can't win...give praise for win and honest view for pants and its wrong...don't post like tris and its still wrong

And so was the Villa performance and the Wolves and the Burnley and the Portsmouth. You are delusional if you think we can play like that every week-----pal.

Villa was ok ..scraped it.wolves they were dire.any win against the scum will do but we should have hammered them.no mention of wham game ? delusional for being honest ..shakes head laughing

[S15]

A lot of wins under Hughes could just have easily gone the other way, but back then the team would get praised for showing character.

Now, for some reason with Allardyce, a win is no longer 'just a win.'

[steveo57]

why if the expert is doing such a wonderful job then are all the predictions for defeats and we should not expect to beat the likes of wham /stoke etc. Why was there booing for the team selection on saturday? why were the fans chanting 442 ? why were fans coming to blows over the standard of footy on offer? why did a mate of mine who hasnt been for 2 seasons and went on saturday facebok me and said it will be another two years before he comes again as he was not impressed and bored?

ABBEY we had a spare ticket, i asked four people three of them used to be season ticket holders, and all four said no,

cant blame them the football is sh1t, if they keep this up, i think i will say no next season,

[47er]

Tell you what you can't win...give praise for win and honest view for pants and its wrong...don't post like tris and its still wrong

Villa was ok ..scraped it.wolves they were dire.any win against the scum will do but we should have hammered them.no mention of wham game ? delusional for being honest ..shakes head laughing

West Ham was dire and thankfully we don't play like THAT every week. We"scraped" that win against Villa with 10 men! You actually make excuses when we win!

Following Rovers has always been a roller coaster ride, like it or not, that's how it is and probably always will be.

[Hughesy]

A lot of wins under Hughes could just have easily gone the other way, but back then the team would get praised for showing character.

Now, for some reason with Allardyce, a win is no longer 'just a win.'

Typical anti Sam posters. Some of the crap under Hughes was FAR worse....

At the end of the day we are 13th, level with points and goals for 12th and only 3 behind 8th place. I think we sit pretty well considering we have faced United, Chelsea & Arsenal away.

The next 4 games are a big test. Liverpool (H), Hull (A), Brum (A), Spurs (H).....Remain unbeaten and we sit on a minimum of 21 pts after 17 games. 8pts would be a very good return and 6 wouldnt be the end of the world either....

How many points did we have when Ince was sacked?

[thenodrog]

ABBEY we had a spare ticket, i asked four people three of them used to be season ticket holders, and all four said no,

cant blame them the football is sh1t, if they keep this up, i think i will say no next season,

Not just cos of your post alone steveo57 but I think a good long spell in Div 3 is required.

[waggy]

Not just cos of your post alone steveo57 but I think a good long spell in Div 3 is required.

now gordon just cos people have seen the light,you should not wish that on our club

[Parsonblue]

Not just cos of your post alone steveo57 but I think a good long spell in Div 3 is required.

I think that sums up the problem. Too many of our younger fans have no recollection of what it is like to really struggle. Many of our fans have been brought up on a diet of Premier League football and seem to take it for granted that the Rovers should be able to compete at this level. Let's get real. We are now enjoying our longest spell in the top flight since 1936! The top flight has not been our natural home for the majority of the period since the Second World War. Our budget is one of the smallest in the division. We have to sell tickets at the lowest prices in the division because the fans refuse to pay Premier League prices but still expect Premier League football. Not only that, but they want Premier League football which sees us taking on the top clubs and beating them. If "having a go" in every game is enough to win matches why have only United, Chelsea, Arsenal and the Rovers actually won the Premier League?

It would be impossible for Big Sam to please a certain section of the supporters no matter what he did. They didn't want him and will complain at every given opportunity. There is nothing the club can do to change that other than sack the manager and that, looking at the financial implications, is not going to happen. Nor should they even contemplate it. Sam was hired to keep the club in the Premier League. At the end of the day that is the best we can realistically hope for. To improve the team we need to either develop our own players or bring in new players from outside. The former is a long term objective which, up to date, has not been successful. The latter is becoming increasingly difficult because of the limited finances. Let's face facts. In January we will not be in a position to bring a new player in unless we sell someone first.

Of course the manager, like all managers, is not immune to criticism. Of course there have been mistakes in the transfer market but then which manager has not made mistakes? Every signing is a gamble. At the moment Salgado and Kalinic have not been the success that was hoped for. However, Givet, Chimbonda and N'Zonzi have done very well.

A section of fans on this board moan about the style of football yet is it any less attractive than the football played by Howard Kendall when he was at the club? People look back on that as a successful period in our history but we ground out results week in and week out to gain promotion from the Third Division. We were successful and the style, rightly, took second place to the results.

I follow the team home and away every week and I can't say that this season has been any worse than the past few years. Of course the away form is a worry but, let's be honest, we had the chances to beat both Sunderland and Fulham but the players didn't take them. That's football.

This club is battling the odds at the moment and is doing fantastically well to stay afloat in this League. I wonder what the reaction of the fans would be if John Williams and Tom Finn turned round and said that they would invest in the tranfer market but that fans would have to pay the going rate for Premier League football. At the moment, with the prospect of a poor attendance against Chelsea, I feel desperately sorry for the top brass at Ewood Park. Whatever they do they can't win. Once again too many fans expect Champagne football but only want to pay beer money prices and then moan that, despite having some of the lowest ticket prices in the country, they have been short changed.

[Amo]

I think that sums up the problem. Too many of our younger fans have no recollection of what it is like to really struggle. Many of our fans have been brought up on a diet of Premier League football and seem to take it for granted that the Rovers should be able to compete at this level. Let's get real. We are now enjoying our longest spell in the top flight since 1936! The top flight has not been our natural home for the majority of the period since the Second World War. Our budget is one of the smallest in the division. We have to sell tickets at the lowest prices in the division because the fans refuse to pay Premier League prices but still expect Premier League football. Not only that, but they want Premier League football which sees us taking on the top clubs and beating them. If "having a go" in every game is enough to win matches why have only United, Chelsea, Arsenal and the Rovers actually won the Premier League?

It would be impossible for Big Sam to please a certain section of the supporters no matter what he did. They didn't want him and will complain at every given opportunity. There is nothing the club can do to change that other than sack the manager and that, looking at the financial implications, is not going to happen. Nor should they even contemplate it. Sam was hired to keep the club in the Premier League. At the end of the day that is the best we can realistically hope for. To improve the team we need to either develop our own players or bring in new players from outside. The former is a long term objective which, up to date, has not been successful. The latter is becoming increasingly difficult because of the limited finances. Let's face facts. In January we will not be in a position to bring a new player in unless we sell someone first.

Of course the manager, like all managers, is not immune to criticism. Of course there have been mistakes in the transfer market but then which manager has not made mistakes? Every signing is a gamble. At the moment Salgado and Kalinic have not been the success that was hoped for. However, Givet, Chimbonda and N'Zonzi have done very well.

A section of fans on this board moan about the style of football yet is it any less attractive than the football played by Howard Kendall when he was at the club? People look back on that as a successful period in our history but we ground out results week in and week out to gain promotion from the Third Division. We were successful and the style, rightly, took second place to the results.

I follow the team home and away every week and I can't say that this season has been any worse than the past few years. Of course the away form is a worry but, let's be honest, we had the chances to beat both Sunderland and Fulham but the players didn't take them. That's football.

This club is battling the odds at the moment and is doing fantastically well to stay afloat in this League. I wonder what the reaction of the fans would be if John Williams and Tom Finn turned round and said that they would invest in the tranfer market but that fans would have to pay the going rate for Premier League football. At the moment, with the prospect of a poor attendance against Chelsea, I feel desperately sorry for the top brass at Ewood Park. Whatever they do they can't win. Once again too many fans expect Champagne football but only want to pay beer money prices and then moan that, despite having some of the lowest ticket prices in the country, they have been short changed.

Very grounded and informative post.

[mark]

Once again too many fans expect Champagne football but only want to pay beer money prices and then moan that, despite having some of the lowest ticket prices in the country, they have been short changed.

Excellent post Parsons. Waggy and co need to read it once a day until they realise the error of there posts!

As someone else pointed out, last Christmas we were 5 points adrift in the relegation zone and less than a year on we are mid table. To deny that is progress beggars belief. Sure starting Roberts when Benni's on the bench also beggars belief but progress is progress and we are undeniably moving in the right direction.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Nor Bolton.

Get behing your time for God's sake!

[waggy]

i started following the rovers in div 3,the early 70's before that i went with my dad.well i loved the 3rd division,loved the 2nd division,loved the premier league,and then came lardarse.pb is a oap hughsey,can't see that lardarse and his negative football will do more harm to rovers than relagation.the club want to take a long hard look at the manager and his ways,40k a week for a pensioner,how much of that is being spread about in bolton.6 million for some one he saw on u-tube,picks his boyfriend everyweek when he is the worst player on the pitch.next season they might as well give the season tickets away,because if lardarse is in charge it will be a record low for the premier

[Mattyblue]

Parsons, you are 100% bang on and luckily the majority of fans you speak to (away from this board!) have similar sentiments.

Outside 5 or 6 sides I don't think we have anything to worry about in this league, given our resources, this is an unbelievable achievement! Sam is the man to keep this going.

[Fife Rover]

Very grounded and informative post.

+1

[Hughesy]

To me I wonder about the commitment of some of our fans.....

They see a few games of football they dont like and the dummy comes out 'Im not going anymore, il go the pub and sulk that lardarse is in charge'.

To me, regardless of the football on offer, regardless of who plays, regardless of who manages us, I SUPPORT BLACKBURN ROVERS, NOT an individual, not a style. To me thats what SUPPORTING your club is all about. Through thick and thin, through the good and the bad.... ROVERS TILL I DIE

[sparkspakespoke]

Great post by ParsonBlue, Waggys reply says it all, when all your left with in way of a come back is school boy insults like boyfiend and lardarse you know you dont have a leg to stand on in terms of reality and valid points.

[Sysagent]

Mr ParsonBlue speaks the truth.

As for Waggy's reply I am not even going to recognise it was posted, he show's all the classic symptoms of "Rishtonitess", I lived there for ten years and I have never seen elsewhere as in Rishton such a collection of bigoted numpties condensed in such a small area in all my life...

I was glad to see the back of it and I still shudder when I have to visit my parents who still (not for want of trying to get out) live there.

[Amo]

i started following the rovers in div 3,the early 70's before that i went with my dad.

Surely that'd make you old enough to know better?

And to type legibly, for that matter.

[savage8]

Surely that'd make you old enough to know better?

And to type legibly, for that matter.

Brilliant !

[thenodrog]

I think that sums up the problem. Too many of our younger fans have no recollection of what it is like to really struggle. Many of our fans have been brought up on a diet of Premier League football and seem to take it for granted that the Rovers should be able to compete at this level. Let's get real. We are now enjoying our longest spell in the top flight since 1936! The top flight has not been our natural home for the majority of the period since the Second World War. Our budget is one of the smallest in the division. We have to sell tickets at the lowest prices in the division because the fans refuse to pay Premier League prices but still expect Premier League football. Not only that, but they want Premier League football which sees us taking on the top clubs and beating them. If "having a go" in every game is enough to win matches why have only United, Chelsea, Arsenal and the Rovers actually won the Premier League?

It would be impossible for Big Sam to please a certain section of the supporters no matter what he did. They didn't want him and will complain at every given opportunity. There is nothing the club can do to change that other than sack the manager and that, looking at the financial implications, is not going to happen. Nor should they even contemplate it. Sam was hired to keep the club in the Premier League. At the end of the day that is the best we can realistically hope for. To improve the team we need to either develop our own players or bring in new players from outside. The former is a long term objective which, up to date, has not been successful. The latter is becoming increasingly difficult because of the limited finances. Let's face facts. In January we will not be in a position to bring a new player in unless we sell someone first.

Of course the manager, like all managers, is not immune to criticism. Of course there have been mistakes in the transfer market but then which manager has not made mistakes? Every signing is a gamble. At the moment Salgado and Kalinic have not been the success that was hoped for. However, Givet, Chimbonda and N'Zonzi have done very well.

A section of fans on this board moan about the style of football yet is it any less attractive than the football played by Howard Kendall when he was at the club? People look back on that as a successful period in our history but we ground out results week in and week out to gain promotion from the Third Division. We were successful and the style, rightly, took second place to the results.

I follow the team home and away every week and I can't say that this season has been any worse than the past few years. Of course the away form is a worry but, let's be honest, we had the chances to beat both Sunderland and Fulham but the players didn't take them. That's football.

This club is battling the odds at the moment and is doing fantastically well to stay afloat in this League. I wonder what the reaction of the fans would be if John Williams and Tom Finn turned round and said that they would invest in the tranfer market but that fans would have to pay the going rate for Premier League football. At the moment, with the prospect of a poor attendance against Chelsea, I feel desperately sorry for the top brass at Ewood Park. Whatever they do they can't win. Once again too many fans expect Champagne football but only want to pay beer money prices and then moan that, despite having some of the lowest ticket prices in the country, they have been short changed.

i started following the rovers in div 3,the early 70's before that i went with my dad.well i loved the 3rd division,loved the 2nd division,loved the premier league,and then came lardarse.pb is a oap hughsey,can't see that lardarse and his negative football will do more harm to rovers than relagation.the club want to take a long hard look at the manager and his ways,40k a week for a pensioner,how much of that is being spread about in bolton.6 million for some one he saw on u-tube,picks his boyfriend everyweek when he is the worst player on the pitch.next season they might as well give the season tickets away,because if lardarse is in charge it will be a record low for the premier

Both claim to be BRFC fans, both claim to have watched Rovers for years ...... but I'm not even sure they are the same species!

Whatever, It's l'il ol BRFC fans against the rest remember. Anybody with the best interests of the club at heart cannot allow the divisive bickering that is happening on this board to continue. It's like a cancer and needs cutting out. A small club like us has to be united it's as simple as that. I fear the discontent is spreading to the more 'impressionable'.

Given that we are currently mid-table after seemingly without a fight losing one of the best managers that this club has had since the 60's, replacing him with an absolute numpty who would have taken us down the divisions for sure, and then in turn replacing him with an ex manager of our local rivals (who incidentally was in the final two for the England job and came for nowt) then selling / disposing of 4/5 of the best players on the books our current position is a minor miracle and needs to be seen and respected as such by all who claim to have the clubs welfare at heart.

Can any of the discontented on here please outline how their current input will help the club through the stormy waters of the Prem? If not then please simply stay away. If that isn't good enough then please write / talk / criticise directly to John Williams. The buck stops at his desk not Sam Allardyces. Like him of loathe him just rem that it was Williams who appointed Allardyce, it was Williams who appointed Paul Ince and it was Williams who on the face of it (imo) contributed a significant extent to Mark Hughes leaving.

[CrazyIvan]

Both claim to be BRFC fans, both claim to have watched Rovers for years ...... but I'm not even sure they are the same species!

Whatever, It's l'il ol BRFC fans against the rest remember. Anybody with the best interests of the club at heart cannot allow the divisive bickering that is happening on this board to continue. It's like a cancer and needs cutting out. A small club like us has to be united it's as simple as that. I fear the discontent is spreading to the more 'impressionable'.

Given that we are currently mid-table after seemingly without a fight losing one of the best managers that this club has had since the 60's, replacing him with an absolute numpty who would have taken us down the divisions for sure, and then in turn replacing him with an ex manager of our local rivals (who incidentally was in the final two for the England job and came for nowt) then selling / disposing of 4/5 of the best players on the books our current position is a minor miracle and needs to be seen and respected as such by all who claim to have the clubs welfare at heart.

Can any of the discontented on here please outline how their current input will help the club through the stormy waters of the Prem? If not then please simply stay away. If that isn't good enough then please write / talk / criticise directly to John Williams. The buck stops at his desk not Sam Allardyces. Like him of loathe him just rem that it was Williams who appointed Allardyce, it was Williams who appointed Paul Ince and it was Williams who on the face of it (imo) contributed a significant extent to Mark Hughes leaving.

One of your more sensible posts Gordon. One which I agree with to a point (Hughes leaving...) but I'm not here to argue. I think a call of unity is needed and a call to support this team and this manager because they are representing Blackburn Rovers. Destroying confidence by booing individuals or the manager isn't going to get us higher in the league. Behaviour like that is likely to result in a relegation battle as players lose heart and wonder why play for fans who won't support you and the manager will look for a better job where people appreciate what he does for them. If you got harsh treatment in a job where you did your utmost or you saw a colleague getting badly treated, would you want to stay?

[tcj_jones]

I think an interesting comparison to Allardyce and Rovers would be Martinez and Wigan. Both clubs have lost their better players and had new managers installed with limited budgets. However, each manager's playing philosophy is hugely contrasting.

Would people take our good, consistent home record and the manner in which we will always compete against those outside the top four alongside our poor away record and the manner in which we simply roll over for the big four by playing Sam's brand of football

Or, would they prefer the completely unpredictable, but arguably more entertaining brand of football employed by Martinez, where there is no consistency for home fans, but where lots of goals will be scored and where 3-1 against Chelsea is possible, but so too is a 9-1 reverse to Spurs.

Currently, we are also equal on points.

I'd take what we've got, myself. I feel Wigan's unpredictability makes them a more likely candidate for relegation.

[mhead]

Whilst agreeing with Parsonblue and always going on about more local based Players with local allegiance....I still need guidance from the Manager and the Board about the direction of the Team and the Club. I support both unreservedly and soon the 5th generation of my family hopefully will become a continuous link to the 1920s BUT please I also know we have always tried to play football on the ground and with wingers. So therefore it depresses me to see Robbo getting the ball 30 times in a game and lumping it upfield to an invisible player. Even Stoke now have Delap on the bench.

We must have patience but we want to travel with hope!

And I have a continuous Season Ticket since 1972.

[Fife Rover]

To me I wonder about the commitment of some of our fans.....

They see a few games of football they dont like and the dummy comes out 'Im not going anymore, il go the pub and sulk that lardarse is in charge'.

To me, regardless of the football on offer, regardless of who plays, regardless of who manages us, I SUPPORT BLACKBURN ROVERS, NOT an individual, not a style. To me thats what SUPPORTING your club is all about. Through thick and thin, through the good and the bad.... ROVERS TILL I DIE

You've hit it in one Hughesy. Exactly what I feel and have done since the year dot. I'm darned sure I've seen many many worse matches and times over the 63 years I have supported and suffered without (and I can say this with hand on heart) ever even considering abandoning my support for Rovers. Attendance has of sheer necessity (not choice) had to go by the way on many diferent occasions and for many different reasons, but lack of performance from team or manager was NEVER one of the reasons and NEVER will be.