[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[Hughesy]

Wasnt Blackburn Rovers awarded the "most exciting team to watch" last season?

Sure was....People keep banging on about us being poor.

But they obviously forget the Dingles game, Bolton, Villa or Chelsea.

[Mr Maureen]

You cannot go through a season, without a few crappy players in your squad. With the lack of funds, having to get freebies etc, we bound to find @#/?. Teams like United, Chelsea and Liverpool also have crap. Our problem is, that majority of our squad is poor and we dont have the finances to address the problem

Nor do we have a skillfull manager and coaching staff who can improve and motivate what we already have.

MOTIVATE MOTIVATE MOTIVATE being the most important.

[Hughesy]

Nor do we have a skillfull manager and coaching staff who can improve and motivate what we already have.

MOTIVATE MOTIVATE MOTIVATE being the most important.

Well they motivated the same set of players that Ince had to go from bottom to stay up easily!

And motivated them into a semi final & currently 13th

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Sure was....People keep banging on about us being poor.

But they obviously forget the Dingles game, Bolton, Villa or Chelsea.

Maybe they saw the insult to football that was Stoke away.

[Hughesy]

Maybe they saw the insult to football that was Stoke away.

We havent been their this season yet.....

[S15]

Does this have to carry on?

Every day a mixture of level headed/ overly pessimistic people come and voice their understandable/ridiculous opinions on the current manager at which point Hughesy (usually in the most predictable and sickly way possible) comes out, quotes them and tells them they are wrong, and Allardyce is amazing etc etc.

It's got reeeeeeeally boring. We have a game tomorrow, and any opinions on the manager and his approach to Saturday can not be fully dissected until we see what happens tomorrow night.

[Hughesy]

Does this have to carry on?

Every day a mixture of level headed/ overly pessimistic people come and voice their understandable/ridiculous opinions on the current manager at which point Hughesy (usually in the most predictable and sickly way possible) comes out, quotes them and tells them they are wrong, and Allardyce is amazing etc etc.

It's got reeeeeeeally boring. We have a game tomorrow, and any opinions on the manager and his approach to Saturday can not be fully dissected until we see what happens tomorrow night.

Do YOU have to carry on?

Im not saying he's amazing - im simply saying we are in a better position under Sam than we were under Ince, and bit by bit we will get stronger under Sam.

Fans need to get a grip & have abit of patience!

[Amo]

Does this have to carry on?

Every day a mixture of level headed/ overly pessimistic people come and voice their understandable/ridiculous opinions on the current manager at which point Hughesy (usually in the most predictable and sickly way possible) comes out, quotes them and tells them they are wrong, and Allardyce is amazing etc etc.

It's got reeeeeeeally boring. We have a game tomorrow, and any opinions on the manager and his approach to Saturday can not be fully dissected until we see what happens tomorrow night.

I like you.

[Mr Maureen]

Well they motivated the same set of players that Ince had to go from bottom to stay up easily!

And motivated them into a semi final & currently 13th

Just delete my post I must have been watching another team at Arsenal Chelsea and Fulham this season.

Will you stop rolling your eyes Hughsey its very gay.

[thenodrog]

Just delete my post I must have been watching another team at Arsenal Chelsea and Fulham this season.

Didn't go but I thought the performance at Arsenal was quite good until 1. we had a def penalty turned down and 2. the final 10 mins.... and please dont say a match is for 90 mins.

[G Somerset Rover]

Didn't go but I thought the performance at Arsenal was quite good until 1. we had a def penalty turned down and 2. the final 10 mins.... and please dont say a match is for 90 mins.

It certainly isn't 60 minutes long, which the eleven that we had on the pitch must have thought that day.

[bellamy11]

Wasnt Blackburn Rovers awarded the "most exciting team to watch" last season?

Well, not in any official capacity. I think you're thinking of this link - http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2579644/Blackburn-top-boring-Man-Utd.html

As an aside, I sent it around the office at the time and got this reply:

"Whilst I have no doubt that there is some truth to these figures as analysts we should really question the validity of this data. A number of factors may play a role in these being skewed:

• Average temperatures-I would suggest that Newcastle being ###### freezing in climate would likely have lower heart rate than clubs further South-the fact that Geordies can turn up to a game without a shirt in the pissing down rain and below freezing temperatures would indicate that their heart rates are probably on a par with the average Eskimo
  
• Smoking prevalence by region-higher heart rates, fans who smoke the most will likely have far higher tension levels than non-smoking fans. For instance I would assume that Arsenals fans being largely French will probably have higher smoking prevalence than other clubs
  
• Pie consumption by region-higher cholesterol-higher heart rate-perhaps Roy Keanes Tuna sandwiches rant was true
  
• Alcohol consumption-us Northerners do drink a great deal, increasing heart rates
  
• Average age of fans-any fans under a Kevin Keegan team are likely to have greater resilience to the ups and downs of his clubs, in fact I would assume that their ability to handle crisis is on a par with aid workers, as is their ability to put up with rants, quitting when things get tough, etc
  
• Regarding Newcastle again-yes their football was boring but i think the theory that clubs facing relegation are necessarily going to be less excited or have higher heart rates is erroneous-a relegation battle (although this is my hypothesis) is often as exciting as that of the title race
  
• “Psychologist Dr David Lewis who conducted the research said: "Fans from clubs like Blackburn are willing their team out of the mid-table comfort zone causing tension levels to increase more than fans of top clubs who expect their team to win and are therefore calmer." –this quote is clearly mis-placed as Arsenal and Manchester United were both second and third last season
  
• This link shows that Blackburn had the 17th lowest attendance last season whilst Wigan had the lowest-surely this would mean that the representative samples would not be fair?!
  
• http://www.premierleague.com/page/Statistics/0,,12306,00.html
  
• The differences between the scores are so marginal it is debatable whether they are significant in the slightest-a score 1 point less than another automatically seems to denote that that club are FAR less exciting, when in reality UTD got just 2 less than Blackburn-typical Sun sensationalizing something nonsensical
  

all in all although I am no psychologist I would put very little weight behind these findings-for many clubs the fans can no longer even afford to go to these games and the real ones are often found in Stretfield (or indeed Sydney!). Utd are and always will be the team with the best counter-attacking football in the UK"

[trueblue]

Utd are and always will be the team with the best counter-attacking football in the UK"

Didn't work yesterday did it

[bellamy11]

Didn't work yesterday did it

Thankfully not. Not one of the United fans on our team has rolled in today, which is a shame as it was the only thing that motivated me to turn up this morning.

[MarkBRFC71]

Andy Kennedy, Per Pederson, De Pedro, Yordi, Ben Arentoft, ....

Andy Kennedy's Rovers games/goals: 59/23

Compare with:

Ashley Ward: 54/13

Nathan Blake: 55/13

Graham Fenton: 27/7

Jimmy Quinn: 71/17

and ....

Jason Roberts: 86/17

So officially, Andy Kennedy, Ashley Ward, Nathan Blake, Graham Fenton and Jimmy Quinn are all statistically better than Jason Roberts .....

[alexanders]

Andy Kennedy's Rovers games/goals: 59/23

Compare with:

Ashley Ward: 54/13

Nathan Blake: 55/13

Graham Fenton: 27/7

Jimmy Quinn: 71/17

and ....

Jason Roberts: 86/17

So officially, Andy Kennedy, Ashley Ward, Nathan Blake, Graham Fenton and Jimmy Quinn are all statistically better than Jason Roberts .....

Don't post stuff like this , we are trying to sell the guy!

[Hughesy]

Don't post stuff like this , we are trying to sell the guy!

Mark was just testing.

What he meant for any clubs interested was that Roberts has infact got 86 goals in 17 games and therefore is easily worth £30m/ or Torres in swap!

[FourLaneBlue]

Sign of the times that we are getting people turn on each other here.

"we are getting"?

Been like this on here since Hughes left Bryan.

[FourLaneBlue]

Does this have to carry on?

Every day a mixture of level headed/ overly pessimistic people come and voice their understandable/ridiculous opinions on the current manager at which point Hughesy (usually in the most predictable and sickly way possible) comes out, quotes them and tells them they are wrong, and Allardyce is amazing etc etc.

It's got reeeeeeeally boring. We have a game tomorrow, and any opinions on the manager and his approach to Saturday can not be fully dissected until we see what happens tomorrow night.

Yep. Over 300 pages of this.

I bet there's at least another 300 to come...

[bluebruce]

Utd are and always will be the team with the best counter-attacking football in the UK"

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and assume the person that sent you this reply was in fact, a Manchester United fan. *Cue yawn*

And he's wrong. Arsenal play the best counter-attacking football in the UK, and the best passing game too, have for many years, and will probably continue to do so.

[Eddie]

I actually think that United do play the best counter-attacking football, but Arsenal play the best football when on top. Arsenal can break at speed, but they really tend to only look good in games where they are reasonably in control.

[FourLaneBlue]

Spurs are turning into a very good counter-attacking side too. They break with real pace thanks to likes of Lennon and Defoe who both are better now than ever before. The quality of Lennon's crosses has been very good this season which is a surprise as some on here suggested you were either a good crosser or you weren't and you can never learn that type of thing!

Annoyingly...Spurs are really starting to get their act together. Krankjaer was an excellent buy...wish we had got him! Huddlestone looks a different player this season too.

[bluebruce]

I actually think that United do play the best counter-attacking football, but Arsenal play the best football when on top. Arsenal can break at speed, but they really tend to only look good in games where they are reasonably in control.

I don't agree for a second...but that's football! I've seen Arsenal destroy us on counter attacks many a time when we've looked well in the game yet lost by four goals. United are a better team overall, but mostly because of their defensive solidity.

[den]

Spurs are turning into a very good counter-attacking side too. They break with real pace thanks to likes of Lennon and Defoe who both are better now than ever before. The quality of Lennon's crosses has been very good this season which is a surprise as some on here suggested you were either a good crosser or you weren't and you can never learn that type of thing!

Strange then, that in the last televised match his final ball was still as poor as it ever was - and those words were echoed by the TV commentator. He was also poor for England in his recent performances - no end product again, much like SWP who will never improve at that part of his game. If he could have, he would have.

Lennon hasn't changed overnight FLB. He wont change now.

[FourLaneBlue]

Strange then, that in the last televised match his final ball was still as poor as it ever was - and those words were echoed by the TV commentator.

Lennon hasn't changed overnight FLB. He wont change now.

Ah...must have imagined those cracking crosses I had seen him put in during a number of games this season.

What do you mean hasn't changed? I never agreed he couldn't cross. That was a fallacy put on here that people agreed as fact.

I don't think he is a great crosser. Far from it. Certainly no Beckham or not even a Bentley or even close. It is one of the weaker aspects of his game but he can cross and cross well at times. His overall game has been very good this season.