[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[Majiball]

I think we had more overall attempts than City Maj - something like 12 shots compared to City's 11 or the like. But as Hughesy said it's the nature of these 'attempts' such as Nzonzi and MGP doing their best to hit some poor sod up in row Z that's the issue. City meanwhile may have only had 11 but they were mostly goal scoring chances - think Tevez' missed header, Robinho's run and shot etc. We probably only had 2 or 3 on target.

This is what concerns me also. Allardyce talks like we create gilt edged chance after chance but the truth is very few (I'm thinking Kalinic and Di Santo over recent months) have actually been straightforward goalscoring chances.

BBC has it at 12 for them and 9 for us.

We're not creating clear cut chances, but we're also not doing the things you need to do to create them. Movement off the ball is non-exsistant, we always pass to feet and we always send it when in trouble. Until we get some new input and ideas on board this will not change.

[Mattyblue]

never been a fan of lardarse his team selections get worse every week,why we play di santo when we have a player on the bench who he paid 6 million for is beyond me,di santo offers no goal threat.hiollet on the bench again,the only rovers player who is willing to take a man on.we need a creative midfielder,but lardarse just buries his head in the sand.the club should be looking into ways of getting rid,never mind we can't afford to pay him up,we could just pay him monthly till some other idiots appiont him

Take it your Ewood boycott would come to an end if the axe falls?

[brightonrover]

Time for Allardyce to go!

[mellison24]

IF we are going to sack Sam, the name I'd throw up is Ian Holloway. Worked on a pittance all his managerial career and done very well. Will also get team spirit up with his undoubted wit and charisma.

But I'll save that for the day Sam actually leaves. Right now, we must support him. I don't want to, but I will. He is in charge at MY CLUB and I will support MY club.

[BigDom]

Allardyce away record since he took over: -

Played 26

Won 6*

Drawn 5

Lost 15

Scored 20

Conceded 51

*includes famous wins against Blyth, Gillingham & Notts Forest

SAYS IT ALL !!!!

WE WANT OUR ROVERS BACK !!!!

[scotchrover]

I was in favour of lard bottom getting a contract until then end of last season and didn't to be honest care about the standard of football we played as long as we stayed in the division.

However it's a completely different ball game this year. I rekon if we'd have played a 4-4-2 formation, some football on the ground, played further up the park and got in the opponent's faces we would have beaten half the teams that turned up at Ewood. The away form would have been better as well.

I think we would at least been top half this year with Hughes.

Just out of interest, how many are in favour of keeping this bloke on?

[mellison24]

Just out of interest, how many are in favour of keeping this bloke on?

I fully agree with what you said. On THIS point, I'd give him 4 games. But while I'm not REALLY in favour of keeping him on, I can't see how we can afford it.

[Kelbo]

BBC has it at 12 for them and 9 for us.

We're not creating clear cut chances, but we're also not doing the things you need to do to create them. Movement off the ball is non-exsistant, we always pass to feet and we always send it when in trouble. Until we get some new input and ideas on board this will not change.

More importantly, we are not getting round the back or turning opposition defences, every ball is coming on to them which makes it easy for them!!

[S15]

There is a huge difference between this year and this time last year. Last year we entered a run of games under Ince that we HAD to pick up a significant amount of points from, and i don't think anyone believed we could do, so we fired him.

However, this year we enter a similar situation but I certainly think we have a chance of picking up a significant amount of points but if we don't I think we must change the manager, whatever the cost.

[rebelmswar]

There is a huge difference between this year and this time last year. Last year we entered a run of games under Ince that we HAD to pick up a significant amount of points from, and i don't think anyone believed we could do, so we fired him.

However, this year we enter a similar situation but I certainly think we have a chance of picking up a significant amount of points but if we don't I think we must change the manager, whatever the cost.

Is it worth the risk though?

With this at the moment we probably will get draws at best. With McDonald we may get an odd win.

McDonald may be the new Parks

[S15]

Is it worth the risk? Yes.

I'm not defending Allardyce, but I would like to point out that in his first couple of seasons with Bolton in the PL it was a major struggle, with some ugly stuff played. However, given time he managed to build a team which was not only fighting for the UEFA Cup, but the Champions League.

The advantage he had at Bolton was the rapport he had with the fans through the fact he was an ex player, and also he had just got them promoted.

Changing manager creates instability, and sets you back right back to square one immediately. It goes against everything that has achieved us success post Bryan Kidd, and if there is any way the current manager can be a success, we should try and go with it.

However, I reiterate it is do or die, and if these games don't bring a significant points return it's time for drastic measures. I still believe it may bring enough points to keep us safe, others no doubt will disagree.

Harsh reality is for those folks is that it is going to have to be witnessed as there is no chance the manager will be changed before these games are through.

[scotchrover]

Is it worth the risk? Yes.

I'm not defending Allardyce, but I would like to point out that in his first couple of seasons with Bolton in the PL it was a major struggle, with some ugly stuff played. However, given time he managed to build a team which was not only fighting for the UEFA Cup, but the Champions League.

The advantage he had at Bolton was the rapport he had with the fans through the fact he was an ex player, and also he had just got them promoted.

Changing manager creates instability, and sets you back right back to square one immediately. It goes against everything that has achieved us success post Bryan Kidd, and if there is any way the current manager can be a success, we should try and go with it.

However, I reiterate it is do or die, and if these games don't bring a significant points return it's time for drastic measures. I still believe it may bring enough points to keep us safe, others no doubt will disagree.

Harsh reality is for those folks is that it is going to have to be witnessed as there is no chance the manager will be changed before these games are through.

Yeh but look at Bolton, they have the long ball tag attatched to them. Allardyce played the same type of football there as here and from what i've seen from every home game it's boring to watch.

[broadsword]

I still believe it may bring enough points to keep us safe, others no doubt will disagree.

Who knows, really?

If I knew that we would stay up with Allardyce, then I'd keep him, absolutely.

[mellison24]

Is it worth the risk? Yes.

I'm not defending Allardyce, but I would like to point out that in his first couple of seasons with Bolton in the PL it was a major struggle, with some ugly stuff played. However, given time he managed to build a team which was not only fighting for the UEFA Cup, but the Champions League.

The advantage he had at Bolton was the rapport he had with the fans through the fact he was an ex player, and also he had just got them promoted.

Changing manager creates instability, and sets you back right back to square one immediately. It goes against everything that has achieved us success post Bryan Kidd, and if there is any way the current manager can be a success, we should try and go with it.

However, I reiterate it is do or die, and if these games don't bring a significant points return it's time for drastic measures. I still believe it may bring enough points to keep us safe, others no doubt will disagree.

Harsh reality is for those folks is that it is going to have to be witnessed as there is no chance the manager will be changed before these games are through.

100% agree. For me it's the next 4 games. He needs to win all the home games in the '3 for 30' deal or I'll just stop bacing him, as I have done (admittedly ad nauseum) until last night.

[S15]

IMO a lot of Hughes football was boring to watch. Success masks an awful lot, and if we are sitting in the top eight I'd forgive most styles of play.

Hughes played some very direct stuff, but it makes a hell of a lot of difference when a long ball is aimed towards Santa Cruz/Kuqi/Nonda, with knockdowns falling to Bentley, Tugay, Bellamy, a goalscoring MGP, and also when the opposition has Savage snapping at heels as opposed to Andrews. Having Friedel behind a defence also makes a massive difference.

Top talent hasn't been replaced. I'll leave it to others to decide on who's fault that is, but I think though it's fair to say Allardyce's football isn't always pretty, it's also unfair to judge him on anything other than results which must take into account the resources available to him.

The next four games decide whether he has done well enough with those resources to see us above teams we should be above, and if he doesn't, he should go.

Who knows, really?

If I knew that we would stay up with Allardyce, then I'd keep him, absolutely.

Of course, but there is no manager in the country who could guarantee us points in the next four games, and certainly no manager who we could realistically replace Sam with.

So a decision needs to be made, I'm saying mine is stick with him.

[mellison24]

IMO a lot of Hughes football was boring to watch. Success masks an awful lot, and if we are sitting in the top eight I'd forgive most styles of play.

Hughes played some very direct stuff, but it makes a hell of a lot of difference when a long ball is aimed towards Santa Cruz/Kuqi/Nonda, with knockdowns falling to Bentley, Tugay, Bellamy, a goalscoring MGP, and also when the opposition has Savage snapping at heels as opposed to Andrews. Having Friedel behind a defence also makes a massive difference.

Top talent hasn't been replaced. I'll leave it to others to decide on who's fault that is, but I think though it's fair to say Allardyce's football isn't always pretty, it's also unfair to judge him on anything other than results which must take into account the resources available to him.

The next four games decide whether he has done well enough with those resources to see us above teams we should be above, and if he doesn't, he should go.

Again, well said.

And no, I'm not becoming your minion.

[broadsword]

So a decision needs to be made, I'm saying mine is stick with him.

And i say you smell of wee and wear support tights.

[S15]

Tell me the replacement is Hughes and i'd say sack him. It wouldn't be though, the best most people around here hope for is Grayson or someone, but I've heard things from people inside his football club that suggests he might not quite be PL material, though nobody can deny the good jobs he's done up to now.

[rebelmswar]

Tell me the replacement is Hughes and i'd say sack him. It wouldn't be though, the best most people around here hope for is Grayson or someone, but I've heard things from people inside his football club that suggests he might not quite be PL material, though nobody can deny the good jobs he's done up to now.

The silly bugger should never have left.

Do you think McDonald could do they job?

The players seemed up for it when he was in charge.

[S15]

I doubt it personally. I think we beat a very poor Bolton team and the cup game was one of those one off nights to remember.

[Miker]

shillito you are 100% spot on, those are some very sensible posts.

[EwoodGlory]

Nickos article been posted yet?

Allardyce has two games to save Blackburn career - exclusive

[Tom]

Interesting but pretty much what has been said on here since last night.

I think it will be more like 4 games though as there's no way they'd sack a manager if there was still a chance of reaching Wembeley the week after

[Steve Moss]

Nickos article been posted yet?

Allardyce has two games to save Blackburn career - exclusive

Sam can't rely on the seniors to deliver him a win. All they have to do is slack off a bit, and he's gone. Poor decision making for the board to let this slip.

With that said, if Sam is smart he'll rely on the kids. The seniors seem to be part of the problem, based on my reading of the article.

Though he is in luck in that EHD is out because of his red card, and Roberts and Benni are out injured. So his striking options are limited to Di Santo, Kalinic and Hoilett, which may be a blessing in disguise.

[den]

Nickos article been posted yet?

Allardyce has two games to save Blackburn career - exclusive

Well Nicko, if there ever was an invitation for the fans to make their discontent heard, in the belief that it could harm the manager quickly, this is it.

And before you get annoyed, I have no problem with fans voicing their opinion, - just pointing out the reality.