[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[thenodrog]

I reckon the pre-match tune should be Bob the Builder, tonight.

Yes that would be most helpful.

[waggy]

what really annoys me about lardarse and shitto they keep harking on about his days at lotnob,he was bleating about somebody scoring 2 goals for wanky in the cc semi's,sorry it's what you do noe that your remenbered for

[T4E]

sorry it's what you do noe that your remenbered for

I'll remind you of that next time someone questions your current attitude towards BRFC and you retort with "i've been to more games than you've had hot dinners" or something equally churlish.

[Amo]

what really annoys me about lardarse and shitto they keep harking on about his days at lotnob,he was bleating about somebody scoring 2 goals for wanky in the cc semi's,sorry it's what you do noe that your remenbered for

I'll remember that next time someone preaches about how many games you've watched.

[waggy]

I'll remember that next time someone preaches about how many games you've watched.

i said when lardarse was appointed i was not going,everything i said about his style of football has come true,now more than 70% of rovers fans are unhappy with him.you might not think my reason for not going is a valid one,but i have a limited budget and i want entertianment for my money.you seem to forget this messageboard does not represent the masses,most on here are white collar workers who spend there working days on this messageboard.i read in the telewag the rovers fans on the jury all wanted to see football played at ewood,come on here and you think all is well at ewood

[Majiball]

Yes that would be most helpful.

Mod's can we please introduce a humour smiley???

[mellison24]

Mod's can we please introduce a humour smiley???

I think those are , and

[Jackson]

i said when lardarse was appointed i was not going,everything i said about his style of football has come true,now more than 70% of rovers fans are unhappy with him.you might not think my reason for not going is a valid one,but i have a limited budget and i want entertianment for my money.you seem to forget this messageboard does not represent the masses,most on here are white collar workers who spend there working days on this messageboard.i read in the telewag the rovers fans on the jury all wanted to see football played at ewood,come on here and you think all is well at ewood

Are you a white collar worker, Wagster?

[Hughesy]

Are you a white collar worker, Wagster?

Must be a binman - they love a good old moan

[unluckymorton]

i said when lardarse was appointed i was not going,everything i said about his style of football has come true,now more than 70% of rovers fans are unhappy with him.you might not think my reason for not going is a valid one,but i have a limited budget and i want entertianment for my money.you seem to forget this messageboard does not represent the masses,most on here are white collar workers who spend there working days on this messageboard.i read in the telewag the rovers fans on the jury all wanted to see football played at ewood,come on here and you think all is well at ewood

I think we wish all was well more than think all is well to be fair waggy. I remember a good few years ago Dave Basset was link with the Rovers job, I threatened that if he got it I'd not go again until he'd left the club. Luckily I didn't find out whether my threat was true or not... I've always back him and will continue to do so as I think more than anything I'm scared of failure as I'm not sure who I'd like to bring in in his place. Given time, and a certain amount of luck things will turn round under Sam and I just hope the continuity of a long term manager will work for us rather than against us.

I've got to admit that the style of football Sam has got us playing is dreadful and I can't work out what is going on in his head but more importantly if he really has lost the dressing room his days are numbered and waggy will return to Ewood before Easter.

[Dan]

I have a theory, maybe Sam wants to leave and retire(possibly due to health reasons). He doesn't want to miss out on the compensation money he'd get if sacked. So he is playing formations that don't work, long balls that don't work, playing players that are useless and leaving players on the bench that should be playing. It'd completely explain why he is seemingly setting up the team to struggle. We haven't played well since his operation, after playing so well against Chelsea and Bolton by playing some nicer football, we are now looking totally useless. He is falling out with players and can't see what everyone else can.

Has he really lost the plot or does he want out? ;-)

[Blueheart]

Lets face it , it is just not working for Sam. he however keeps refering to the fact that he has very little funds to play with to compete with other prem teams. However it cant be over looked that he did have over £6m to spend in the summer and he blew it on a unknown centre forward who has yet to fit into the team and score a premiership goal this season.

Any other manager would have been walking by now .

[gumboots]

I have a theory, maybe Sam wants to leave and retire(possibly due to health reasons). He doesn't want to miss out on the compensation money he'd get if sacked. So he is playing formations that don't work, long balls that don't work, playing players that are useless and leaving players on the bench that should be playing. It'd completely explain why he is seemingly setting up the team to struggle. We haven't played well since his operation, after playing so well against Chelsea and Bolton by playing some nicer football, we are now looking totally useless. He is falling out with players and can't see what everyone else can.

Has he really lost the plot or does he want out? ;-)

We need to be careful here. We can't question his professionalism, and that would be what you are appearing to do. To suggest he is deliberately doing badly is not acceptable. His lack of enthusiasm following a heart scare might subconsciously be affecting his attitude and performance but deliberately trying to manufacture a compensated exit rather than hand in a resignation - even I, who have many objections to the guy and always have done, couldn't suggest that.

[Gav]

I'll remember that next time someone preaches about how many games you've watched.

i said when lardarse was appointed i was not going,everything i said about his style of football has come true,now more than 70% of rovers fans are unhappy with him.you might not think my reason for not going is a valid one,but i have a limited budget and i want entertianment for my money.you seem to forget this messageboard does not represent the masses,most on here are white collar workers who spend there working days on this messageboard.i read in the telewag the rovers fans on the jury all wanted to see football played at ewood,come on here and you think all is well at ewood

Spot on.

[waggy]

Are you a white collar worker, Wagster?

retired kid

[Hughesy]

Any other manager would have been walking by now .

Like Martinez, Zola, Phil Brown, Mick McCarthy!??!

retired kid

You got the 1st bit & last letter correct

[Stuart]

I reckon the pre-match tune should be Bob the Builder, tonight.

Here's hoping they play Seven's "Blackburn in his heart" tonight. It doesn't noticably get the crowd going but we are unbeaten when that has been playing. Footballers are superstitious creatures apparently and maybe subconsciously they've not been hearing it.

[Dan]

We need to be careful here. We can't question his professionalism, and that would be what you are appearing to do. To suggest he is deliberately doing badly is not acceptable. His lack of enthusiasm following a heart scare might subconsciously be affecting his attitude and performance but deliberately trying to manufacture a compensated exit rather than hand in a resignation - even I, who have many objections to the guy and always have done, couldn't suggest that.

You are correct, I'm just searching in my mind for answers. In most things in life it's trial and error, you experiment and try and find a good receipe for success. Sam seems to not see that things aren't working, at all. He'll do certain things right in a match, Chelsea being an example, then not seem to learn from what worked and revert back to his same non-working tactics. I know the Chelsea game was against their 2nd string, but if we used that system and players I know for definiate that there would be no chance we'd go down baring a major injury crisis. Maybe that match was a one off, but it showed the players CAN play fantastic attacking football.

I dunno, it's confusing. The City game was like banging my head against a break wall. Does he think if we play 30 long balls, a few out of them may luckily land in a good placecand lead to a goal? It seemed that there was no thought put into what we were doing. This has been the case a lot this season. Maybe he has just lost his marbles, as some of the preformances wouldn't beat league one teams. It's not as if we haven't in small patches played good football, when we do this we look a million times more threatening. The next game it goes back to plan A. Why is this? How the hell can he not see this, like most people can?!! He is either losing the plot mentally, unhappy with the club or doing it on purpose. If he was a relatively new manager like ince, you could excuse it and put it down to inexperience. Sam has been around for a very long time and always came across as intelligent, even if his football wasn't. Something has changed, it's not right and I don't think it's the players.

[gumboots]

You are correct, I'm just searching in my mind for answers. In most things in life it's trial and error, you experiment and try and find a good receipe for success. Sam seems to not see that things aren't working, at all. He'll do certain things right in a match, Chelsea being an example, then not seem to learn from what worked and revert back to his same non-working tactics. I know the Chelsea game was against their 2nd string, but if we used that system and players I know for definiate that there would be no chance we'd go down baring a major injury crisis. Maybe that match was a one off, but it showed the players CAN play fantastic attacking football.

I dunno, it's confusing. The City game was like banging my head against a break wall. Does he think if we play 30 long balls, a few out of them may luckily land in a good placecand lead to a goal? It seemed that there was no thought put into what we were doing. This has been the case a lot this season. Maybe he has just lost his marbles, as some of the preformances wouldn't beat league one teams. It's not as if we haven't in small patches played good football, when we do this we look a million times more threatening. The next game it goes back to plan A. Why is this? How the hell can he not see this, like most people can?!! He is either losing the plot mentally, unhappy with the club or doing it on purpose. If he was a relatively new manager like ince, you could excuse it and put it down to inexperience. Sam has been around for a very long time and always came across as intelligent, even if his football wasn't. Something has changed, it's not right and I don't think it's the players.

Oh, I agree with you that he doesn't seem to be able to see things that are obvious even to tactically naive females like myself and his team selections seem often to be the wrong way round i.e. he starts with the team we wouldn't mind seeing in the last 10 mins, and ends with the team many of us would have selected in the first place instead of for the last 2 minutes. I agree his experience should tell him more about how to get the best out of what you've got and not try to play a style of play that is alien to more than half of the players available. We need a change, if not of manager, then of outlook by our current one. Perhaps he just needs to go to specsavers.

[mellison24]

Oh, I agree with you that he doesn't seem to be able to see things that are obvious even to tactically naive females like myself and his team selections seem often to be the wrong way round i.e. he starts with the team we wouldn't mind seeing in the last 10 mins, and ends with the team many of us would have selected in the first place instead of for the last 2 minutes. I agree his experience should tell him more about how to get the best out of what you've got and not try to play a style of play that is alien to more than half of the players available. We need a change, if not of manager, then of outlook by our current one. Perhaps he just needs to go to specsavers.

Fixed it for you

[beerwins]

You are correct, I'm just searching in my mind for answers. In most things in life it's trial and error, you experiment and try and find a good receipe for success. Sam seems to not see that things aren't working, at all. He'll do certain things right in a match, Chelsea being an example, then not seem to learn from what worked and revert back to his same non-working tactics. I know the Chelsea game was against their 2nd string, but if we used that system and players I know for definiate that there would be no chance we'd go down baring a major injury crisis. Maybe that match was a one off, but it showed the players CAN play fantastic attacking football.

I dunno, it's confusing. The City game was like banging my head against a break wall. Does he think if we play 30 long balls, a few out of them may luckily land in a good placecand lead to a goal? It seemed that there was no thought put into what we were doing. This has been the case a lot this season. Maybe he has just lost his marbles, as some of the preformances wouldn't beat league one teams. It's not as if we haven't in small patches played good football, when we do this we look a million times more threatening. The next game it goes back to plan A. Why is this? How the hell can he not see this, like most people can?!! He is either losing the plot mentally, unhappy with the club or doing it on purpose. If he was a relatively new manager like ince, you could excuse it and put it down to inexperience. Sam has been around for a very long time and always came across as intelligent, even if his football wasn't. Something has changed, it's not right and I don't think it's the players.

Ill tell you why because Sam is stubborn as hell, he knew the fans didnt like the tactic he carried on, we basically got told to STFU, he knows the players dont like it but he carries on, now he knows some of the board dont like it, will he carry on?

[gumboots]

Fixed it for you

I did say perhaps and am well-known for being kind!

[Dan]

Well, let's just hope he is going to click his brain into gear and play the way we can. By all means experiment with different styles and ideas where possible(say we were a few goals up in a game), but for now please, please stick to the style that works.

The other issue I'm having is even when we have played well, on those rare occassions he's had us playing an attacking passing games, is we miss very good chances like 1on1's. I guess that isn't Sam's fault(though not playing Roberts ever again would help ;-) )

[chaddyrovers]

If Big Sam gets beat in the next 2 games then he's got to go!!!!! if this form continue than we would be playing championship.

My 3 choices for manager would be Alan Shearer, Alan Curbishley and Steve McClaren.

i think Alan Shearer would be idea for us. I know that he's got no experience but he would put the heart and passion BACK into the club. would be able to attract big names to the club like Hughes did. i think he would have good backroom staff to help him. probably Gary Speed has assistant manager and experience first team coach to help him!!!

ALAN SHEARER BLUE AND WHITE ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RibbleValleyRover]

Amazed that Shearer is getting so much support, the guy might be the greatest ever player to wear the blue and white halves but that doesn't mean he would make a decent manager. Shearer just doesn't look managerial material to me, even though Newcastle was a messed up club when he took them over there was nothing tactically seen that would say yeah this guy could be a decent manager.

If Sam goes we are looking at an experienced manager who has some history at fighting relegation battles, lets face it if Sam leaves then there goes any funds we have in January. Whoever comes in will be stuck with a squad full of players well past their best.

One of the main reasons why i haven't called for his head yet is because i can't see any viable alternatives to Sam. We may be able to find a manager to play more attractive football than Sam, but that doesn't mean we will get the results needed to survive this season.