[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[Tom]

My mistake I thought there was another striker on the bench at the time, if I am wrong I apologise and am doing Sam a disservice

[thenodrog]

  On 16/01/2010 at 13:10, ABBEY said:

believe in hoof ball ,never.

Abbey when your lottery ticket comes in you can maybe then do what every manager since GS has failed to do.... buy us a top quality midfield general (even better if it's a rollover and you can get two) who can control and pass a ball with vision and skill better than the ones the oposition have and simultaineously stay off the treatment table. That way our goalkeeper might not need to play the long ball quite so often.

[rebelmswar]

  On 16/01/2010 at 18:59, thenodrog said:

Abbey when your lottery ticket comes in you can maybe then do what every manager since GS has failed to do.... buy us a top quality midfield general (even better if it's a rollover and you can get two) who can control and pass a ball with vision and skill better than the ones the oposition have and simultaineously stay off the treatment table. That way our goalkeeper might not need to play the long ball quite so often.

I feel if Sam had spent the money on that rather than unneeded right backs --and their wages-- we might well have been to afford one.

I think we have players as it is that would be able to "handle" having the ball passed out to them from the goal keeper. Our players seem to be unable to handle having balls plummeting down upon them from the goalkeeper.

Same goes for the long throw in's - if we just gave the opposition the ball and let them throw it in: we would have a better chance of getting on the end of them.

Midfield be damned, just play the ball on the ground as it has worked this season before - the City game for example. First half normal service, start of the second, passing it around; the result was better football that you have used as a defense.

[BuckyRover]

Indeed. He is saying in this thread we don't have the players to pass it around. But in the other thread is saying we did very well in the second half against Villa (when we passed it around).

[Plastic Head]

"Big Sam frowns at the "C" word" says the LET headlines tonight.

Well he'll be frowning when I'm calling him it all Sunday afternoon.

The word surprisingly was Championship, not C***.

Well I've been to a Championship game today, and if that was anything to go by bring it on.

Blackpool v QPR wasn't the best game at Bloomfield according to the locals, but nevertheless there was plenty of exitement, goalmouth action, tackles flying in, commitment and above all SKILL, something I'd forgotten existed in football.

I'm not saying these teams are the match for many Premier Teams but I certainly enjoyed the game more than I have one at Ewood for a while.

Charlie Adam was the best player on show, not a world beater but better than what we have, dissapointed to hear he is already 25, if he was this good at 20 he could have been a very good player.

By the way, Chamionship referees are no better than the Premier League ones, but at least they're bad for both sides.

[BRFC1995]

just in from work............and he's still our manager, damn

just read some sky story about kalinic's confidence, what planet is this fella on. Its not a confidence thing if he does'nt score its a ready made excuse for the manager to shirk his way out of admitting a £6m mistake........thanks for doing something right last season but now you just need to go.

[ada2020]

  On 16/01/2010 at 19:15, BRFC1995 said:

just in from work............and he's still our manager, damn

just read some sky story about kalinic's confidence, what planet is this fella on. Its not a confidence thing if he does'nt score its a ready made excuse for the manager to shirk his way out of admitting a £6m mistake........thanks for doing something right last season but now you just need to go.

How is Kalanic a £6 million mistake?

I really dont understand how you come to such a conclusion.

[Steve Moss]

  On 16/01/2010 at 13:45, TCO said:

I've said this before but I honestly think Sams treatment of Kalinic is appaling. Fair enough if he was genuinely protecting him but we've seen proof that thats not the case. If he was easing him in for his own good trying to protect his confidence he wouldn't have:

- Thrown him in for 75 minutes against Sunderland

- Singled him out in interviews for missing chances

- Dropped him after being the best man in a Rovers shirt on the park (after Brum)

- Moaned constantly in the press about our strikers not scoring

And for me the most insulting to Kalinic.

- bleat on about how we can't afford quality like Darren Bent and Crouch, basically telling Nikola that he had to settle for him and he isn't good enough.

Sam deals in excuses but if Kalinic does play tomorrow and scores no doubt he will try and claim the credit for it.

I sometimes think that Sam views himself at war with the board, as much as the opposing manager. Doom and gloom interviews in an effort to shake more money free. I'm not saying that's what he's doing but that's the impression I sometimes get.

Kalinic has not looked poor since his first outing. Since then he's demonstrated that he is evereything we could want in a striker and the goals will come. Di Santo is energetic and tough. Hoilett has pace and desire. Jones and Olson are chomping at the bit for a first team spot. N'Zonzi and Chimbonda have lived up to expectations and then some. Emerton is generally fit and plays well. Dunn is a gem, even though he's injured half the time. Despite some recent missteps, Samba and Nelson are generally solid defenders. Grella and Givet are both competent. Robinson is a worst average and at his best England squad material.

There is a better than average starting 11 in that mix. All Sam has to do is reconcile himself to the fact that Andrews, Roberts, Benni, EHD and MGP (despite his recent uptick I don't rate him) should be left on the bench if at all possible. Focus on the team that shows up and plays (the preceeding paragraph) and we will move up the table.

[roversmum]

  On 15/01/2010 at 12:32, beerwins said:

That wont last long.....unless its stuck high enough

I sincerely hope it won't be seen at all. Mark Hughes is NOT the answer to our problems, nor would he be likely to want to come back ...

[philipl]

  On 16/01/2010 at 20:30, smoss said:

I sometimes think that Sam views himself at war with the board, as much as the opposing manager. Doom and gloom interviews in an effort to shake more money free. I'm not saying that's what he's doing but that's the impression I sometimes get.

Kalinic has not looked poor since his first outing. Since then he's demonstrated that he is evereything we could want in a striker and the goals will come. Di Santo is energetic and tough. Hoilett has pace and desire. Jones and Olson are chomping at the bit for a first team spot. N'Zonzi and Chimbonda have lived up to expectations and then some. Emerton is generally fit and plays well. Dunn is a gem, even though he's injured half the time. Despite some recent missteps, Samba and Nelson are generally solid defenders. Grella and Givet are both competent. Robinson is a worst average and at his best England squad material.

There is a better than average starting 11 in that mix. All Sam has to do is reconcile himself to the fact that Andrews, Roberts, Benni, EHD and MGP (despite his recent uptick I don't rate him) should be left on the bench if at all possible. Focus on the team that shows up and plays (the preceeding paragraph) and we will move up the table.

I think this is a fantastic post which sums up why I am not that worried about relegation but I am worried sick by Sam's management.

[American]

  On 16/01/2010 at 20:45, philipl said:

I think this is a fantastic post which sums up why I am not that worried about relegation but I am worried sick by Sam's management.

Not often I agree with you, but thirded.

[tony gale's mic]

  On 16/01/2010 at 20:30, smoss said:

Kalinic has not looked poor since his first outing. Since then he's demonstrated that he is evereything we could want in a striker and the goals will come. Di Santo is energetic and tough. Hoilett has pace and desire. Jones and Olson are chomping at the bit for a first team spot. N'Zonzi and Chimbonda have lived up to expectations and then some. Emerton is generally fit and plays well. Dunn is a gem, even though he's injured half the time. Despite some recent missteps, Samba and Nelson are generally solid defenders. Grella and Givet are both competent. Robinson is a worst average and at his best England squad material.

You've put a purely positive spin on things there though.

Kalinic has looked good but badly needs luck to start running his way. Di Santo may be energetic and tough but barely ever looks like scoring. Hoillet has pace but very little else. Jones and Olsson have still got it all to prove. N'Zonzi is promising but ideally would be a sub as he still doesn't look fully ready to play week in week out in the Premiership. Chimbonda and Emerton are solid. Dunn looked like a gem for the first part of this season, but was constantly injured/mediocre for us before and since coming back the worry is that he'll return to that state again. Nelsen isn't half the player he was before his injuries. Samba is quality and Givet is good. Grella looks half decent but is injured all the time. Robinson is at best average and at worst a complete liability. The only reason he's even pushing England squad material is due to the lack of other decent options and even then he's not good enough.

[AggyBlue]

  On 16/01/2010 at 21:15, tony gale said:

You've put a purely positive spin on things there though.

It's about time someone did:tu:

Well dome smossie

[BRFC1995]

  On 16/01/2010 at 20:19, ada2020 said:

How is Kalanic a £6 million mistake?

I really dont understand how you come to such a conclusion.

SIMPLES

£6m striker + 1/2 a season = 6-7 goals

Kalinic + 1/2 a season = 0

not rocket science.

Maybe a £uckwit manager needs throwing into the equation but at this very moment it looks a waste.

[ada2020]

  On 16/01/2010 at 21:21, BRFC1995 said:

SIMPLES

£6m striker + 1/2 a season = 6-7 goals

Kalinic + 1/2 a season = 0

not rocket science.

Maybe a £uckwit manager needs throwing into the equation but at this very moment it looks a waste.

That's the standard he is supposed to be living up to is it?

1/2 a season and only a hand full of sub appearances in the prem, plus one start.

Carling cup run has produced a few goals, so by my reckoning, using your equation of course, he isn't to far of a £6 million pound striker.

Maybe we just look at things differently but for me he looks fine, I fully expect him to make the grade. I do hope you are willing to hold your hand up if he makes it and say you were wrong. I'm sure you want to be wrong on the matter.

I think you definitely need to factor the manager into your equation mate.

[Stuart]

  On 16/01/2010 at 20:44, roversmum said:

I sincerely hope it won't be seen at all. Mark Hughes is NOT the answer to our problems, nor would he be likely to want to come back ...

I agree 'mum - on both counts. The position we are in, I reckon, is what Hughes had forseen and the reason he looked for the exit door.

Also, some fans have short memories. When Hughes came back to Ewood for the first time last season, he was greeted with "You're getting sacked in the morning" when Rovers were on top. Not only did we not go on to win that game but I'm sure it would have left a bad taste in his mouth. A lack of gratitude for being part of the team that won us our last major trophy and taking us up to (relatively speaking) heady heights in the league.

We are not the most forgiving of supporters when we feel we are shown a lack of loyalty. Yet we all admit, in football, there is none.

Another damning indictment is that there are no better managers out there (within our budget) than there were when Hughes first left.

[Hughesy]

  On 16/01/2010 at 21:21, BRFC1995 said:

SIMPLES

£6m striker + 1/2 a season = 6-7 goals

Kalinic + 1/2 a season = 0

not rocket science.

Maybe a £uckwit manager needs throwing into the equation but at this very moment it looks a waste.

£5m + £2.5m add-ons - Frazier Campbell = 0 league goals & less cup goals.......

[ABBEY]

  On 16/01/2010 at 18:59, thenodrog said:

Abbey when your lottery ticket comes in you can maybe then do what every manager since GS has failed to do.... buy us a top quality midfield general (even better if it's a rollover and you can get two) who can control and pass a ball with vision and skill better than the ones the oposition have and simultaineously stay off the treatment table. That way our goalkeeper might not need to play the long ball quite so often.

when we had our better spells in games when is it? ITS WHEN WE PLAY !

WHEN DID OUR BEST CHANCE COME? from an aimlessy lauched throw? no WHEN PEDS THREW IT SHORT AND WE PUT A GOOD CROSS IN.!

[47er]

  On 16/01/2010 at 20:30, smoss said:

I sometimes think that Sam views himself at war with the board, as much as the opposing manager. Doom and gloom interviews in an effort to shake more money free. I'm not saying that's what he's doing but that's the impression I sometimes get.

Kalinic has not looked poor since his first outing. Since then he's demonstrated that he is evereything we could want in a striker and the goals will come. Di Santo is energetic and tough. Hoilett has pace and desire. Jones and Olson are chomping at the bit for a first team spot. N'Zonzi and Chimbonda have lived up to expectations and then some. Emerton is generally fit and plays well. Dunn is a gem, even though he's injured half the time. Despite some recent missteps, Samba and Nelson are generally solid defenders. Grella and Givet are both competent. Robinson is a worst average and at his best England squad material.

There is a better than average starting 11 in that mix. All Sam has to do is reconcile himself to the fact that Andrews, Roberts, Benni, EHD and MGP (despite his recent uptick I don't rate him) should be left on the bench if at all possible. Focus on the team that shows up and plays (the preceeding paragraph) and we will move up the table.

Yes--well said.

[ABBEY]

  On 16/01/2010 at 22:23, Hughesy said:

£5m + £2.5m add-ons - Frazier Campbell = 0 league goals & less cup goals.......

BLOODY HELL NO SMILIES

[S15]

Why do you always compare him to Fraizer Campbell Hughesy? Nobody gives a s**t about Fraizer Campbell, there have been plenty of strikers at this club and other clubs in the past few seasons who have banged the goals in and cost similar amounts/ less than Kalinic.

Not dissing Kalinic, just dissing your boring, repetitive and irrelevant comparison/argument.

[Hughesy]

  On 16/01/2010 at 22:32, shillito15 said:

Why do you always compare him to Fraizer Campbell Hughesy? Nobody gives a s**t about Fraizer Campbell, there have been plenty of strikers at this club and other clubs in the past few seasons who have banged the goals in and cost similar amounts/ less than Kalinic.

Not dissing Kalinic, just dissing your boring, repetitive and irrelevant comparison/argument.

Is it not time for you to go back now? You must be requiring your medication??

As for the comparison - who else cost £5-7m this season that you can compare him with, not past seasons???

[S15]

  On 16/01/2010 at 22:52, Hughesy said:

Is it not time for you to go back now? You must be requiring your medication??

As for the comparison - who else cost £5-7m this season that you can compare him with, not past seasons???

Very good with the medication 'quip.' After all, nobody else ever thinks you're a complete tool. Campbell has spent the season on the wing anyways but I think I'll compare him with Doyle at Wolves, Fletcher at Burnley and Klasnic at Bolton thanks. All cost less, all have scored more and adapted far quicker.

Next.

[RIML]

  On 16/01/2010 at 20:30, smoss said:

Samba and Nelson are generally solid defenders.

Amen to that, but why drop them?

  On 16/01/2010 at 20:14, smoss said:

We should play 4-3-3.

Robo

Emerton-Jones-Givet-Chimbonda

Dunn-N'Zonzi-Olson

Kalinic-Di Santo-Hoilett

[Hughesy]

  On 16/01/2010 at 22:56, shillito15 said:

I think I'll compare him with Doyle at Wolves, Fletcher at Burnley and Klasnic at Bolton thanks. All cost less, all have scored more and adapted far quicker.

Next.

None cost the same amount.......now go back and compare with those in a similar cost bracket.

1 difference - all have been given a run of games.....Next!