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Amo World Cup

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:rover: well the cc cup run comes to a end,now survival is the aim.the sooner lardarse goes the better,just shows last night when we play football we are a match for a very good premier league team.ollson who was slated on here when picked by ince was superb last night,i would sell samba and buy a striker and midfielder.it was his ridiculous challenge that lost us the game,and his behaviour on sunday proves he wants out,just hope lardarse follows him out the door :glare::brfcsmilie:

Samba isn't as indispensable as a lot of our fans believe. Not when he's making rash tackles and wasting possession, that's for sure. I'd sell him if it meant we could sign a decent midfielder. He'll be gone soon enough, anyway.

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CrazyIvan Champions League

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Thank you Paul Ince's alter ego. Do you disagree with any points made?

Meow!

I'll take issue with the Paul Ince dig because I can and because you're just proving yourself to be a moron with that comment. Take at a look at my Paul Ince posts. End of story.

My point is that you are being unbelievably negative. Time of the month perhaps? ;)

Sam would appear to be safe for now but the questions remain massive:

- can a squad of players clearly good enough to stay up, stay up?

YES

- Dunn looks like he has now lost his desire and fitness under Sam and has an expiring contract

Really? He looked up for it until he got injured last night.

- Reid and MGP have shown glimpses of being OK but have expiring contracts as well

Expiring contracts? Haven't all players got that but at different stages?

- Hoillet hasn't changed his mind about going as far as we know

As far as we know... time yet.

- McCarthy, the only other flair player is being forced out

Is he?

- Samba will surely go in the summer if any larger club comes in for him

Really? Says who? Who's coming in for him then?

- the fans have had the most awful football inflicted on them and are abandonning the club by the thousands judging by recent turn-outs

Go on, produce the figures.

- we have played the most unappealing football to keep it tight but have conceded 50 goals so far this season and it is only 21 January today

True.

- even the biggest Sam fan acknowledges he gets his tactics and team selection wrong horribly often. Nobody has a clue what Rovers' strongest line-up is.

He got them right last night and against Fulham.

At the moment, this looks like crisis postponed not crisis averted. But the last two games have bought Sam and the club time to sort things out.

Negative for the point of being negative.

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Sam would appear to be safe for now but the questions remain massive:

- can a squad of players clearly good enough to stay up, stay up?

YES

- Dunn looks like he has now lost his desire and fitness under Sam and has an expiring contract

HE LOOKED UP FOR THE FIGHT LAST NIGHT. HOWEVER, HIS FITNESS IS AN ISSUE AND IF HE CONTINUES TO STRUGGLE FOR FITNESS THEN HE IS OUT OF CONTRACT IN THE SUMMER AND IT'S NOT AN ISSUE

- Reid and MGP have shown glimpses of being OK but have expiring contracts as well

AGAIN, IF THEY PROVE THEIR WORTH WE CAN OFFER CONTRACTS IF NOT - IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER

- Hoillet hasn't changed his mind about going as far as we know

STILL BLOWS HOT AND COLD BUT WOULD HOPE THAT HE STAYS

- McCarthy, the only other flair player is being forced out

BENNI PLAYS WHEN THE MOOD TAKES HIM. ON HIS DAY HE IS A MATCH WINNER BUT, SADLY, HE DOESN'T PRODUCE THOSE DISPLAYS VERY OFTEN. FAR TOO INCONSISTENT AND IF WE CAN GET £2 to £3 MILLION FOR HIM LET HIM GO.

- Samba will surely go in the summer if any larger club comes in for him

SAMBA HAS LOOKED LIKE HE WANTS TO LEAVE FOR SOME TIME. WE SOLD WARNOCK TO PAY THE WAGE BILL AND I EXPECT SAMBA TO BE SOLD FOR SIMILAR REASONS IN THE SUMMER. HE ISN'T AS GOOD AS HE THINKS HE IS IN ALL HONESTY.

- the fans have had the most awful football inflicted on them and are abandonning the club by the thousands judging by recent turn-outs.

SORRY, BUT I DON'T THINK THE FIGURES ACTUALLY SUPPORT THAT CLAIM. THE FULHAM GATE WASN'T BAD CONSIDERING THAT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF HUNDERED FULHAM FANS AT MOST. ATTENDANCES FOR CUP GAMES HAVE BEEN POOR FOR MANY SEASONS AS SEASON TICKET HOLDERS JUST DON'T COME TO THEM IN HUGE NUMBERS.

- we have played the most unappealing football to keep it tight but have conceded 50 goals so far this season and it is only 21 January today

AGREED THAT WE ARE STRUGGLING AT THE BACK. JUST SHOWS HOW BRAD PAPERED OVER THE CRACKS OVER THE PAST FEW SEASONS.

- even the biggest Sam fan acknowledges he gets his tactics and team selection wrong horribly often. Nobody has a clue what Rovers' strongest line-up is.

I DON'T THINK HIS TACTICS ARE ALL THAT BAD. MANY TEAMS IN THIS LEAGUE PLAY A SIMILIAR 4-4-1-1. IT CAN AND HAS WORKED. PERHAPS IT NEEDS TO BE REFINED AT TIMES.

At the moment, this looks like crisis postponed not crisis averted. But the last two games have bought Sam and the club time to sort things out.

THE CLUB - OWNERS IN PARTICULAR - NEED TO DEVISE A PLAN FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS. AT THE MOMENT, AS WE ARE UP FOR SALE AND THE TRUST IS CONTENT TO ALLOW JOHN WILLIAMS TO RUN THE CLUB WITH TV MONEY. WE NEED A LONGER TERM PLAN THAT INVOLVES SUPPORTING THE CLUB FINANCIALLY IN THE SHORT TERM AND HOPE THAT THE ACADEMY CAN FINALLY BEGIN TO PRODUCE SOME PLAYERS.

IF THERE IS A CRISIS IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE MANAGER BUT THE WHOLE MANAGEMENT OF THE CLUB FROM THE TRUST DOWN. PERSONALLY, I THINK JOHN WILLIAMS IS DOING A BRILLIANT JOB BUT HE NEEDS SOME HELP FROM THOSE ABOVE HIM!

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rog of the rovers Champions League

rog of the rovers

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Rewind to 2006/2007 under (messiah) Hughes

Didnt we finish mid table after a stuttering season, and get to a domestic cup Semi (FA Cup vs. Chelsea)

And we were pretty satisfied (I know we had a run in Europe on top of that, but you get my point)

Sam is on course to match that.

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Same old post, same old excuse.

No one is denying that the club is doing great for its size, but it is a PROVEN fact that the top-of-the-roof limit is NOT 17th place. Souness and Hughes finished above much, much, richer clubs, and in some cases even thought we could have achieved more. We haven't had any money for a long time now, everyone knows that - and although that may have stopped us from challenging for the very top honors, it hasn't stopped us from having exciting seasons where we competed for European places. We may lack in money, but we have usually found ways to compensate for that. In past seasons we had a formula for success which worked - even if for a short while. Allardyce has no such formula anywhere in sight - unless this last game proves to be a HUGE turning point, but I for one won't hold my breath.

It is bewildering to me that some people refuse to allow the club any ambition besides survival, and go on about bygone decades despite proven success just a couple of years ago. What kind of message would this send to the players? "Don't bother trying to achieve anything or aim for any glory, just focus on winning a few games per season to get that 17th place or 40-point mark, everything else is just a bonus". Not exactly motivational, is it?

Worth mentioning that Souness had us battling relegation for two seasons aswel, then did a bunk just as it looked like more of the same in 2004.

Yes we should be aiming to punch above our weight, but after the set back of having Hughes's team dismantled Allardyce now needs to build again.

Be realistic in what you expect the club to acheive. Allardyce has managed a semi final and we are sitting mid table for the moment atleast. Some of the football we have played in the last three games has looked good, exactly what I would like to see.

I for one was growing very impatient with the manager just over a week ago, the team seemed disinterested as did he and I could not see him sorting this out. However over the course of the last three games, seven short days, he has got the team performing again. If he can keep that momentum going I think we will finish the season strongly

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I thought that myself for a time, but have been ridiculed enough for for management suggestions.

We pay the price, well ok, most of you guys do, if I lived within 50 miles of the place I'd have a season ticket too.

But as fans we can openly speculate all we want, and anyway, it can't be that bad - there's not been a back/sack/get grooby in poll yet - I reckon that was the final nail for Ince with the board.

I guess that the idea of Brian Kidd paired with Mancini was to give him a better intro/understanding of the English game and personally I think when the time comes to replace BFS as a club we'd be foolish to overlook non-British managers.

But as far as I'm concerned the players are staff like everyone else, but some throw thier toys out of the pram if they don't get their own way, a strong man-manager would not stand for that - not sure if the "lock-in" the other week was Sam giving the players a roasting or vice-versa, but if it were me I'd have been the one giving the bollockings.

That said, and now I've reflected on last night, we showed glimpses, some more than others, but there are glaring issues with cetain players, and surely no matter how good they think they are, if they don't put a shift in....?

I'm now firmly in the undecided camp about BFS, but I suppose as fans we should support him as the man in post, but he needs to sort out a few issues with the team, and shame on the board if they don't let him have some funds.

Of course a few expensive has-beens or some gambles that fail along with some bad form could be fatal.

I would not like to be a manager (well, football team manager that is)

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Agreed. Big Sam should take note, dissing your own fans is not a good move. Some will never forgive you...

However, I suspect the early coach time rather than the style of football, though we dislike it, was the reason they couldn't get many fans there. It was certainly the chief reason I didn't go. I couldn't face the drive on my own but could not get to Ewood on time to take advantage of the free transport offered.

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CrazyIvan Champions League

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However, I suspect the early coach time rather than the style of football, though we dislike it, was the reason they couldn't get many fans there. It was certainly the chief reason I didn't go. I couldn't face the drive on my own but could not get to Ewood on time to take advantage of the free transport offered.

Yeah, we had to take half a day off work to go. The style of football was actually fantastic :)

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