[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[RevidgeBlue]

Our away record since Fulham last season now reads W1 D3 L14. And McDonald had charge of the team when we got that solitary win.

I'm starting to think Sam is a complete fraud in managerial terms. Yes, we know we've sold all our best players but there's still no excuse for not being competitive, not being hard to beat, not being well organised, constantly conceding goals inside the opening ten minutes and constantly getting drubbed away from home by three goals or more.

Simply not good enough.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

It makes no difference who is managing rovers at this time. The present squad is downright poor, simply because we've sold all of our good players. Every, single, one of them. We're left with diddly squat in footballing terms.

Spot on Den,we have sold the family Jewels and are now left with just the proverbial packet of Monkey nuts.NONE of the quality players we have sold have been adequately replaced....'KIN NONE!

As other's have stated name me one Rovers player in this squad who you would value over 4 Million,Samba at a push? mmmmmmmm....not much to fall back on is there if matters really do go t1ts up

Pains me to say but our team is now on a par with say a Stoke,Wigan or Burnley,its that bad in terms of both overall quality and financial worth...chipped away at till nowts left.

[G Somerset Rover]

I believe we have scored a mighty 8 goals away from home in the league this season also.

When will the expert learn that his negative "hold them and nick one from a set piece" is NOT WORKING AWAY FROM HOME? The tactic is flawed within the first ten minutes FFS .

[Bobby G]

What set pieces? We so suck at them. All those failed corners and please dont get me started on the throw ins! Whats the point?

[G Somerset Rover]

What set pieces? We so suck at them. All those failed corners and please dont get me started on the throw ins! Whats the point?

Oh I agree Bobby. It's too much to ask for goals from open play from our boys right now though.

Whose gonna create the chances?

[waggy]

the general opinion in the pub on saturday,is that lardarses tactics are useless,not my words but that of a guy who brought 3 kids in with him to watch the match,we don't seem to be able to change tactics during a game,the second half we needed pace on both wings,but with samba getting himself sent off again it could not happen.a guy in the pub said when samba was booked in the 1st half he would walk in the 2nd,why did lardarse not realise this

[Gav]

the general opinion in the pub on saturday,is that lardarses tactics are useless,not my words but that of a guy who brought 3 kids in with him to watch the match,we don't seem to be able to change tactics during a game

Same happened last season away at Stoke, we played them at hoof ball, went 1-0 down and didn't have a plan B.

[Ray-Von]

It makes no difference who is managing rovers at this time. The present squad is downright poor, simply because we've sold all of our good players. Every, single, one of them. We're left with diddly squat in footballing terms.

Other managers might go about things on the park in a different manner, but really, the end product would be pretty much the same. This squad has relegation written all over it. Can't defend to save their lives, has nothing of quality in central midfield, doesn't have one decent wide man and has strikers who have scored 5 goals all season between them.

People talk about Allardyce and 4-4-2 or 4-5-1, it doesn't really matter. We played 4-5-1 with Bellamy as the lone striker and had great success, - because Bellamy had the class that we don't have now.

Having said that, we might well have enough about us to stay up this season. How we improve the squad in summer though is very worrying.

Only just seen this post by Den - it's absolutely correct. The general malaise has been around the club for a couple of years now (probably since the failure to adequately replace Savage in the January 2008 window) and unless Sam can find a couple of turds to polish over the Summer, it's very worrying times ahead.

If the likes of Newcastle and West Brom come up, I think they will be significantly stronger than they were last time around and will stand a real chance of staying up.

[Amo]

We can all agree that Sam desperately needs to improve our away form. It's not even a case of playing 'good football', it's about playing effective football that gives us a fighting chance. All this 'keep it tight for 75mins and nab a goal' evidently doesn't work. Sam needs to readdress his players and his tactics, because we clearly have nothing to lose right now.

[MeanGreenMachine]

I’ve never known a time when Rovers fans are so happy to accept mediocrity and obscurity. Where is the ambition exactly? You don’t need to have a side full of seasoned internationals and superstars to do well in this league (shouldn’t we know this most of all?).

This league isn’t as great as what the media would have you believe, anything outside the big 7 (usual lot, city, villa and spurs) the quality is pretty poor. Heck just look at Birmingham who are having a great season with 2 championship centre halves and a squad of cast-offs!

This side lacks discipline and guidance, I’m pretty sure half of them aren’t sure on what they are meant to be doing with regards to tactics, they are playing against instinct with the tactics which seems to be have drilled into them (perhaps bar Nelsen).

BFS will keep us up and that will be it (and I’m sure a good portion of you will be more than happy with that), but no matter what constraints hold back how the club is run, ambition, balls and determination can we you matches in this league.

Put then again we could all just accept relegation is a certainty in the next 5 years and just curl up and die slowly, but I never thought that was the Blackburn way…

[den]

I’ve never known a time when Rovers fans are so happy to accept mediocrity and obscurity.

Where did this come from MGM?

Unless I've missed some posts, I don't see anyone saying they are happy to do that.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Away from home, we need to keep and pass the ball (well, we need to do it better), something our players cannot do.

Been watching it for years - under Hughes recently, we had a top quality outlet in Bentley, but we simply do not have that quality in the team anymore.

When teams press us, our passing is shown up, and its embarrassing. We give the ball away in key areas and its dangerous in that it can result in goals. All comes down to lack of quality.

When we pass it around well, or go more attacking as some like to say, its because the opposition has given us more space to pass the ball, and we are usually a goal down.

What concerns me is the way we fold so easily away from home - its F88ing annoying and worse when you are even at the game. Our home form is excellent but if that was to wane off, we obviously should be very concerned.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Sorry about the previous post. What I meant to add was our passing is the main reason we're playing so poorly. I read the stats every week and we're always below our opponents in terms of successful passes made. Usually we're in the bottom two or three of the league . Take this weeks game, Stoke had a 67.4 success rate, we had 55.7. Even Pompey getting bashed 5-0 away managed 79.9. Wolves were the next worst to Rovers with 58.7.

Obviosly we're having to work miles harder because we're losing possession so much.

Why is our passing so poor ? For me the main reason is the absolute lack of movement off the ball. We're always taking the ball stood still. Teams know that they only have to press the ball against us and they'll get it back easily.

[MeanGreenMachine]

Where did this come from MGM?

Unless I've missed some posts, I don't see anyone saying they are happy to do that.

They not happy, but they are accepting it. Maybe i should of worded it better.

[gumboots]

They not happy, but they are accepting it. Maybe i should of worded it better.

Perhaps you should have. What are we supposed to do then? I hate the way we play at the moment and am very ambitious about my club, but when it comes down to it, what can I as an individual supporter do? Boycott matches? Well, believe me I've thought about it but unless it was a mass boycott what's the point? Boo the team? Boo the manager? Counter productive in my opinion, and not what being a supporter is about. Moan on here? Well, that gets it off my chest but achieves very little. Put up with it in the hope that there is better to come. About all we can do really. Unless I discover that oil well we all talk about and can put my money where my mouth is, little else I can do actually achieves anything other than the undermining of an already fragile team.

[PAFELL]

Our away record since Fulham last season now reads W1 D3 L14. And McDonald had charge of the team when we got that solitary win.

I'm starting to think Sam is a complete fraud in managerial terms. Yes, we know we've sold all our best players but there's still no excuse for not being competitive, not being hard to beat, not being well organised, constantly conceding goals inside the opening ten minutes and constantly getting drubbed away from home by three goals or more.

Simply not good enough.

Sam was a good manager when he had phil brown supporting him. Since they both went their seperate ways, Sam has gone down hill. Even Hull play more attractive, competitive footbal than Rovers.

Mark Hughes could turn this current squad around. He could get them back playing football and trying to win games. It is not the personel in the team, but how they are managed.

[PAFELL]

Perhaps you should have. What are we supposed to do then? I hate the way we play at the moment and am very ambitious about my club, but when it comes down to it, what can I as an individual supporter do? Boycott matches? Well, believe me I've thought about it but unless it was a mass boycott what's the point? Boo the team? Boo the manager? Counter productive in my opinion, and not what being a supporter is about. Moan on here? Well, that gets it off my chest but achieves very little. Put up with it in the hope that there is better to come. About all we can do really. Unless I discover that oil well we all talk about and can put my money where my mouth is, little else I can do actually achieves anything other than the undermining of an already fragile team.

You have raised an interesting point. Somehow supporters need to be able to voice their concerns. At the moment the only way I can think of is that this message board has grown for awhile now. Somehow we need to get somebody from the club interested in viewing what is said on here. Maybe fans need there own publication via this message board - with the current mods having a say of what goes in or not. Even if it means we each have to give money towards it. But as you rightly said how else can we voice our concerns without causeing more panic with a fragile team.

Do we all stand up at half time and shout "sam out, Hughes in" But people on here cannot agree with who to replace Sam with.

Ironically even Sven would be available as I am sure he would rather be at Rovers than Notts County.

[maccamac71]

I`m not defending Sam`s tactics they are awful but look at his first two years with bolton in the prem they were awful too.

I think what we need here is continuity ,it took rudolf ages at united before he started to get anywhere.

I do think Sam needs to look more at our reserve/youth players,which other manager apart from Souey has done that within the last ten years?

We all remember what gems he produced from that.There must be a reason why Uncle Jack ploughed all that money into those facilities for them not to be used wisely by the management team?

I know it`s hard to be happy with mediocricy,but try to remember when we were playin Grimsby and Crewe etc every week that was mediocricy!!!

[CrazyIvan]

You have raised an interesting point. Somehow supporters need to be able to voice their concerns. At the moment the only way I can think of is that this message board has grown for awhile now. Somehow we need to get somebody from the club interested in viewing what is said on here. Maybe fans need there own publication via this message board - with the current mods having a say of what goes in or not. Even if it means we each have to give money towards it. But as you rightly said how else can we voice our concerns without causeing more panic with a fragile team.

Do we all stand up at half time and shout "sam out, Hughes in" But people on here cannot agree with who to replace Sam with.

Ironically even Sven would be available as I am sure he would rather be at Rovers than Notts County.

It's all well and good debating who to replace Sam with. I don't want to replace him at all right now. I'd rather give him some time to build.

[JAL]

Think Allardyce has become a little tiresome now by continually blaming a refereeing decision just to masquerade the dire performance of HIS team.

Play it again Sam.

[PAFELL]

It's all well and good debating who to replace Sam with. I don't want to replace him at all right now. I'd rather give him some time to build.

Build what? a better kick and hope side or a team that plays football and team that competes with the other team. Because there is only one way you will get with Sam, and it is not competeing football.

At the end of the day I am a rovers supporter and will support the club and hope the team win the games needed to stay up. My view has been for awhile that the jury is out with regards to Sam. Thing is I see no change with him. We may not get relegated, But I would like the confidence to believe it. At the moment I do not have that confidence. Sam is nothing without phil brown. I would be very curious to know the stats with regards to the games Sam has won and phil brown has won since they both left bolton - not against each other, but all games.

[mellison24]

Build what? a better kick and hope side or a team that plays football and team that competes with the other team. Because there is only one way you will get with Sam, and it is not competeing football.

At the end of the day I am a rovers supporter and will support the club and hope the team win the games needed to stay up. My view has been for awhile that the jury is out with regards to Sam. Thing is I see no change with him. We may not get relegated, But I would like the confidence to believe it. At the moment I do not have that confidence. Sam is nothing without phil brown. I would be very curious to know the stats with regards to the games Sam has won and phil brown has won since they both left bolton - not against each other, but all games.

So Bolton never consistently contested the Sky4 (most famously Arsenal and ManUre) or made Europe after Sam was in charge for a few years having built a decent side?

And if you're looking at game records, look at his game records for Bolton's 1st year back in the Prem to have a realistic comparison.

[PAFELL]

I`m not defending Sam`s tactics they are awful but look at his first two years with bolton in the prem they were awful too.

I think what we need here is continuity ,it took rudolf ages at united before he started to get anywhere.

I do think Sam needs to look more at our reserve/youth players,which other manager apart from Souey has done that within the last ten years?

We all remember what gems he produced from that.There must be a reason why Uncle Jack ploughed all that money into those facilities for them not to be used wisely by the management team?

I know it`s hard to be happy with mediocricy,but try to remember when we were playin Grimsby and Crewe etc every week that was mediocricy!!!

But the tactics are worn out, everybody knows them. They all know how to stop any team that Sam puts out - there is the problem. It no longer works. It may have done when teams played 442 but not now with the 451

[CrazyIvan]

But the tactics are worn out, everybody knows them. They all know how to stop any team that Sam puts out - there is the problem. It no longer works. It may have done when teams played 442 but not now with the 451

Give him time. He still has to build HIS side rather than try and use some of the ageing and injury prone pro's playing for us now.

[thenodrog]

the general opinion in the pub on saturday,is that lardarses tactics are useless,not my words but that of a guy who brought 3 kids in with him to watch the match,

Obviously we were crap but ffs waggy one bloke can never formulate the general opinion.