[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[thenodrog]

LARDARSE OUT

MARDARSE OUT!

[PAFELL]

MARDARSE OUT!

I think waggy is a dingle in disguise.

[tony gale's mic]

he is only on talksport because he is big buddies with that other bolton tw@t irani,they have a love fest just like on ssn when we get thumped away,its called backing up your mates,LARDARSE OUT

Idiot.

[waggy]

LOOK WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I SAY SUPER Sam Allardyce,REALLY CLEVER GIRLS,HOW ABOUT L@RDARSE

[ElTwis]

LOOK WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I SAY SUPER Sam Allardyce,REALLY CLEVER GIRLS,HOW ABOUT L@RDARSE

What on earth are you talking about? Clown.

[gazsimm]

LOOK WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I SAY SUPER Sam Allardyce,REALLY CLEVER GIRLS,HOW ABOUT L@RDARSE

How old are you? You have lost the plot, if u hate Sam so much, why don't you just go to a game and till him to his face you don't like him, then you can stop coming on here every day and keep saying SUPER Sam Allardyce out like an annoying liitle school kid. GROW UP FFS!!!!

[broadsword]

MARDARSE OUT!

Waggy brightens the place up.

[mellison24]

Waggy brightens the place up.

Indeed, he's just the loveable rogue that lives under the forum's stairs.

[John]

Martin Tyler view on Sam here.

As you can see, when Allardyce has been in charge for the entire season, his team has only finished in the bottom half on three occasions; once with Notts County in 1999 and then in Bolton's first two seasons in the Premier League at the start of the last decade. So in 75% of his complete seasons as a manager he has finished in the top half - including four years in a row in the top eight of the Premier League with Bolton.

Having watched him work he has adopted a real scientific approach involving specific fitness trainers, dieticians and anything else to gain half a per cent advantage. That attention to detail has made him an outstanding manager.

[47er]

Martin Tyler view on Sam here.

As you can see, when Allardyce has been in charge for the entire season, his team has only finished in the bottom half on three occasions; once with Notts County in 1999 and then in Bolton's first two seasons in the Premier League at the start of the last decade. So in 75% of his complete seasons as a manager he has finished in the top half - including four years in a row in the top eight of the Premier League with Bolton.

Having watched him work he has adopted a real scientific approach involving specific fitness trainers, dieticians and anything else to gain half a per cent advantage. That attention to detail has made him an outstanding manager.

Just read that article. Tyler also tells us that Kalinic has hit the woodwork TWICE in Premier league games this season. This compares to Rooney's 6! I know that Nico hit the woodwork twice against Vila in the Carling Cup but surely twice for the Premiership is wrong?

[Exiled in Toronto]

Credit where it's due; Allardyce has made a mockery of Nicko's '2 games left' headline. We have beaten the poor teams, which is something we always seemed to struggle to do under both Souness and Hughes.

HOWEVER, if Sam is due the credit for where we are now, he has to be accountable for what happens from now on. If we suffer more embarrassing spineless surrenders against the better teams, then there can be no excuses. We have shipped more goals against the top teams than anyone else I believe; it's time for Sam to show he can give those teams problems.

[MeanGreenMachine]

To be fair, the 2 games left headline was because we were on a no win streak of about 10 games at the time, serious questions had to be asked.

And agree with your second point, the challenge comes against the big sides, if we hold our own i will be slowly creeping towards the BFS camp, but till then im firmly on the fence.

[Miker]

To be fair, the 2 games left headline was because we were on a no win streak of about 10 games at the time, serious questions had to be asked.

And agree with your second point, the challenge comes against the big sides, if we hold our own i will be slowly creeping towards the BFS camp, but till then im firmly on the fence.

Pretty sure there's been other teams on winless streaks this season, as bad or worse than ours (I'm thinking Sunderland right now). Maybe nicko should be writing '2 games left' headlines for all those managers too?

[Majiball]

Am I right in thinking that Sunderlands injury crisis got so bad this year they've been blooding kids left right and center?

Might explain the losing streak.

[Hughesy]

Am I right in thinking that Sunderlands injury crisis got so bad this year they've been blooding kids left right and center?

Might explain the losing streak.

Who's fault is that though? Just bad luck or is it because of the training methods & management team?

Sam's teams have a reputation for being very technical and scientific, and we have a more or less fully fit squad....perhaps that tells its own story.

As for the kids being the excuse - Bruce spent over £40m, so no excuses for him! As for injuries....Bent has played in 26 games, Cana 24, & Jones 22...which isnt bad considering they are probably the 3 main players.

Also as a comparison - Sunderland have used 23 different players from the start, Rovers 22, Wolves 26 & Hull 27....dont see anyone else using that excuse do you?!

[S15]

I think the job Allardyce has done/is doing is slowly getting away from he argument some used earlier in the season, which was "a lot of people could keep us 1/2 points outside the relegation zone," to a job that only very few managers we could realistically hope to appoint could achieve.

[Hughesy]

I think the job Allardyce has done/is doing is slowly getting away from he argument some used earlier in the season, which was "a lot of people could keep us 1/2 points outside the relegation zone," to a job that only very few managers we could realistically hope to appoint could achieve.

Very good point

I like the way he seems to be focussing on younger players....we now have some real promise with players such as NZonzi, Olsson & Kalinic....and maybe (contract/ transfer depending) Hoilett & Di Santo. We then also have players who are getting good reviews such as Jones, Doran & Howarth.

He seems to be moving the big earners/ older players who no longer can play to the same level as when we signed them (Ooijer, Tugay, McCarthy) and bringing in a much younger squad with much more promise for the next few seasons.

Hopefully abit more deadwood/ not quite good enough players will move in the summer (Perhaps Reid, Zurab, Andrews, Roberts & Brown)

Another couple of gems in the summer window and next season could be very good for us. We just need to get back to mixing it up with the big teams when we face them.

[tony gale's mic]

To be fair, the 2 games left headline was because we were on a no win streak of about 10 games at the time, serious questions had to be asked.

And agree with your second point, the challenge comes against the big sides, if we hold our own i will be slowly creeping towards the BFS camp, but till then im firmly on the fence.

I'd really like us to get some points against the big sides but to use that to judge our manager is rubbish really. What's more important, getting three points against the sides we should be doing or "holding our own" against 5 or 6 clubs in the league?!

And to be fair there have been occasions where we have held our own. Old Trafford last season when we were desperately unlucky, Villa twice this season (once where we won), Liverpool at home this season, Chelsea in the cup, Arsenal at Highbury for about 60 minutes until we were overrun...

If we can steal some points off the big boys this season it'd just be a welcome bonus.

[Miker]

Am I right in thinking that Sunderlands injury crisis got so bad this year they've been blooding kids left right and center?

Might explain the losing streak.

It could be argued that we had so many injury problems that we had to blood "kids" such as Hoilett, N'zonzi, Kalinic, Di Santo and Olsson as well. Plus, we had that problem last season as well, but didn't too badly in the end.

It was a daft article, written to grab some much needed popularity points after the sensationalism created on here. It was written about a manager who was never going to get fired after being at a cash-strapped club for only a year. I think we've all seen how much better clubs do following a change of manager. Every single manager needs time to turn a team into a success. How poor have the Everton runs at the start of the past 2 season been for Moyes? They always have an awful run and then end up finishing 5th and now this season are on top of the form table. I suppose Everton should be sacking Moyes every time they go on a bad run too.

[Harry Balls]

How fickle we are. Not even a month ago, the vast majority of posters on this board were calling for Allardyce's testicles on a plate. Now, it seems that he's the best thing since Britney Spears.

Put things into perspective; yes, we've won four out of our last six, but these were all games we should be winning anyway. Even then, have we been particularly convincing in those wins? Apart from against Bolton, I'd say no. Let's not forget the trouncing at Stoke in the middle of this run as well. And has our football improved or is the bird life population in the Greater Ewood area still diminishing? Again, apart from around half of the game against Bolton, I'd vouch for the latter. Cue the newly formed 'Fat Sam is my hero' brigade any moment now...

In my opinion, the real indication of whether or not Sam is turning the boat around will come in the next few games against proper Premier League opposition, not the relegation scrappers we've been beating recently. I'm not saying I expect us to win games against the top four or any of their pretenders, but I do expect us to compete and not keel over and accept a spanking like we have done with Allardyce at the helm on several occasions already. We have a very difficult set of fixtures coming up so it'll be interesting to see if the general consensus about Sam has shifted again come the close of the season.

Say what you want about Waggy, at least he's consistent.

[MeanGreenMachine]

I'd really like us to get some points against the big sides but to use that to judge our manager is rubbish really. What's more important, getting three points against the sides we should be doing or "holding our own" against 5 or 6 clubs in the league?!

And to be fair there have been occasions where we have held our own. Old Trafford last season when we were desperately unlucky, Villa twice this season (once where we won), Liverpool at home this season, Chelsea in the cup, Arsenal at Highbury for about 60 minutes until we were overrun...

If we can steal some points off the big boys this season it'd just be a welcome bonus.

To be fair i said hold our own, i dont mind if we loose, aslong as we show abit of pride. 3/4 gutless results and i wont be amused.

[tony gale's mic]

How fickle we are. Not even a month ago, the vast majority of posters on this board were calling for Allardyce's testicles on a plate. Now, it seems that he's the best thing since Britney Spears.

Put things into perspective; yes, we've won four out of our last six, but these were all games we should be winning anyway. Even then, have we been particularly convincing in those wins? Apart from against Bolton, I'd say no. Let's not forget the trouncing at Stoke in the middle of this run as well. And has our football improved or is the bird life population in the Greater Ewood area still diminishing? Again, apart from around half of the game against Bolton, I'd vouch for the latter. Cue the newly formed 'Fat Sam is my hero' brigade any moment now...

In my opinion, the real indication of whether or not Sam is turning the boat around will come in the next few games against proper Premier League opposition, not the relegation scrappers we've been beating recently. I'm not saying I expect us to win games against the top four or any of their pretenders, but I do expect us to compete and not keel over and accept a spanking like we have done with Allardyce at the helm on several occasions already. We have a very difficult set of fixtures coming up so it'll be interesting to see if the general consensus about Sam has shifted again come the close of the season.

Say what you want about Waggy, at least he's consistent.

No, what's happened is that those slagging Sam off previously have been quieter than usual lately. Most of the names praising Sam now were sticking up for him before.

The REAL test is against those clubs with a similar standing and status to us - the Boltons, Wigans etc - they have a similar purchasing power, not too dissimilar squads etc etc. If we're winning the vast majority of those games with clubs of a similar size then it shows we're well on the right track.

It's a little harsh to judge Sam on the games against the big guns surely? Would you rather we lost heroically and/or occasionally nicked a point vs the big boys or that we picked up three points in the majority of the games we should be doing against the teams near us in the league?

And like I said in the previous post, there's been plenty of games vs the big guns where we put up a good fight. Man U away last season, Chelsea in the cup, Villa twice this season (won one with ten men), Liverpool at home, Arsenal for the first hour or so, even City at home we could have easily won. Yes there's been some very poor performances too like Chelsea and City away, but we were going through poor form generally then and against Chelsea a lot of our team were struck down with swine flu. Sometimes the big boys will spank you.

And waggy has no redeeming features, he's pondlife.

[Steve Moss]

In my opinion, the real indication of whether or not Sam is turning the boat around will come in the next few games against proper Premier League opposition, not the relegation scrappers we've been beating recently.

Three points against Bolton has the same value as three points against ManU. As long as we're better than the 'relegation scrappers' we'll stay up.

That said, I understand your point that we should be judging the Rovers improvement based on their performance against the top half teams.

[Harry Balls]

It's a little harsh to judge Sam on the games against the big guns surely? Would you rather we lost heroically and/or occasionally nicked a point vs the big boys or that we picked up three points in the majority of the games we should be doing against the teams near us in the league?

I didn't say that. All I said was that things should be put into perspective. However, there should be no reason why we can't do both; beat those that we should be beating as well as losing heroically or picking up points against the big guns. Contrary to what some may argue, we do have a good enough squad to do just that. The question is, do we have a good enough manager?

[LeChuck]

Contrary to what some may argue, we do have a good enough squad to do just that.

...in your opinion.

You've just spent two posts trying to find ways to question the ability of the manager (yawn). Look at our squad, it is no stronger than the likes of Sunderland, Fulham, West Ham etc (which is actually pretty miraculous considering how much less we have to spend). We're well clear of two of those and on the tails of an excellent Fulham team.

That is how we should measure our manager, not some bizarre yardstick against the top teams. Games against teams at our level are the most important (see: Man Utd vs. Wolves). If we can get things against the top teams that's a bonus. I do agree that it's not acceptable if we roll over and give them an easy game though, I think we all expect better than what we've had so far.