[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[nicko]

Nicko, Do you think that it is more likely that Sam has put the story out there because he actually fancies the job and becoming richer or that he's just trying to kick the board up their arse to release some cash?

I am pretty certain he wanted the story to be known...but the interest is real and I am also certain he has been approached about the job.

[LeChuck]

One thing to note in all this that I don't think has mentioned so far...

If Sam does leave us for Dubai then it will be amazingly bad PR, we'll look very small-time indeed.

[Doaksie]

BFS may be leaving - confirmed in the posts above me. What is the bright side about this?

The stage is all yours Waggy.

[trueblue]

The stage is all yours Waggy.

Ohhh pulleeeezze don't tempt him

[tony gale's mic]

If they've approached him without speaking to Rovers isn't that an illegal approach?

[philipl]

If they've approached him without speaking to Rovers isn't that an illegal approach?

At last a sensible post on the subject.

[1864roverite]

hasnt anyone considered that ANY potential talks about a takeover MIGHT be taking place in Dubai and that that is the reason why the lines of communication out of Ewood are so quiet ?

SA might be involved in talks also IF there is a line of comnmunication with a group.

Other than that, no-one can talk to him about a job without permission as has been outlined already.

[Bobby G]

No the take-over isnt linked to take place in Dubai for sure. I can tell you that. Sam's here in his "own" time. He had media commitments for certain as he was widely advertised.

[chaddyrovers]

I am pretty certain he wanted the story to be known...but the interest is real and I am also certain he has been approached about the job.

I think the same that he been approach for the job and will take the job if he doesn't get his way with the transfer funds and the takeover going slowly or dont want him.

[Hughesy]

Sam a guest of Rob and Derek Live at Meydan show

[Doaksie]

Sam a guest of Rob and Derek Live at Meydan show

Good find Hughesy. Some particularly interesting lines in there, for example the one that jumps out more than anything else -

"Well, I would consider managing over here. Yes, definitely. But when and where that will be, we'll have to wait and see," said Allardyce.

Intriguing times.

[John]

Not liking the sound of things at the moment, just have to wait and see I guess...

SA might be involved in talks also IF there is a line of comnmunication with a group.

I doubt very much that the manager would ever be involved in takeover talks.

[Ewood and I Would]

To be fair though when asked if he'd like to manage in Dubai whilst on their soil and talking to "Gulfnews" he's hardly gonna say "Um, no. I'm a Premier League manager so why would I want to come manage in your cruddy league?" is he?

[Eddie]

So you think if he went on holiday to Barbados and they asked him that his response would be the same? This is Sam Allardyce we're talking about, he knows what he's doing.

[Clitherover]

Lancashire Telegraph reporting that Sam has ruled out Dubai.

[Guest Kamy100]

Yup Lancashire Telegraph have talked to a source close to Big Sam who has told them that Sam has no intention of leaving Rovers. Whilst they do not have a direct quote from Sam, I doubt that they would have run this story unless they were sure that he was staying.

[TimmyJimmy]

I will guess that you were trying to put yourself in Sam's shoes but I couldn't make head or tail of anything you said in that post.

Fair enough - I must have been having a bad day at the keyboard, try this translation.

Para 1 - I want Sam to stay, if he goes then Grayson or Coleman.

Para 2 - Sam, he is an egotist. His interests right now are recognition and peer respect, then cash in that order.

Para 3 - If offered the England job or one of the big 4 then he’d leave us otherwise he’ll stay IMO.

Part 4 - He’s not going to leave us just for cash when there’s still a chance of Para 3 happening. Like anyone else he’s always going to be on the lookout for opportunities - just like me - just like you - just like everyone else, what’s wrong with that.

Note : “clumsy, hit shift + 8 again!!” is inserted automatically by the site when you enter anything that looks like the “F” word.

Para 5 - All this fanning the speculation is expected Sam behavior, unlike me he enjoys being the centre of attention, he craves it more than money. I just crave money.

Para 6 - Would anyone on here, and in work, refuse to chat to someone just because he’s not their employer? In fact I and many others, often put myself into those surrounds where I might meet such people. It’s called networking.

Para 7 - Why all the surprise that others desire our manager and top players? It’s the natural consequence of hiring talent.

Para 8 - I want Sam to stay but if he’s attracted by other opportunities then as long as he does it quietly and not in the media then that’s OK with me.

Summary : Some on here should stop being hypocritical, Sam’s doing nothing that the rest of us wouldn’t do - and anyway, on balance, I don’t think he would leave us just for the money (no matter how much is offered) - so calm down a bit.

Hope this helps

[RibbleValleyRover]

Would the Fulham job appeal to Sam? They will probably spend more money than us this season imo.

Perhaps Sam or people close to Sam put this story out about Dubai to notify another club of Sam's dissatisfaction/availability?

[thenodrog]

So its OK for Sam to go and speak with another club whilst contracted to us?

If its OK for Sam then its OK for the players. I seem to remember a lot of people getting on Ped's back for listening to what other clubs had to offer him, before signing on with Rovers.

What's the difference?

So you wouldn't ever look for a better job then?

Stop being all holier than thou. I cannot rem the last manager that we had that saw out the end of his contract can you maj? Either they left or we booted them. If you think it's wrong then I can only assume that you think we did the wrong thing and should have stuck with Ince until his contract ran out?

It's dog eat dog and happens all through football as Fulham now know. Anyway how do you know that SA did not insist on a clause in his contract allowing him to talk to other prospective employers? I may be wrong but I think it's safe to presume that you have never seen his contract?

[joey_big_nose]

Would the Fulham job appeal to Sam? They will probably spend more money than us this season imo.

Perhaps Sam or people close to Sam put this story out about Dubai to notify another club of Sam's dissatisfaction/availability?

If he got offered that I think he would be off. I don't see Al Fayed fancying Allardyce though.

Sam is clearly getting hacked off at present. Hard to argue with it really. No money, unstable board situation. It is not hard to see why other clubs would offer a better platform for him to further his career.

Pressure is on to get things sorted.

[Majiball]

So you wouldn't ever look for a better job then?

Stop being all holier than thou. I cannot rem the last manager that we had that saw out the end of his contract can you maj? Either they left or we booted them. If you think it's wrong then I can only assume that you think we did the wrong thing and should have stuck with Ince until his contract ran out?

It's dog eat dog and happens all through football as Fulham now know. Anyway how do you know that SA did not insist on a clause in his contract allowing him to talk to other prospective employers? I may be wrong but I think it's safe to presume that you have never seen his contract?

I've had my days of chasing better jobs and the such in my 20's, more money prestige and the such. Is it all its cracked up to be, in my opinion no. I am happy were I am at present and happiness is more important to me than any other aspect of life. For me to want to move on, which I off course have ambitions to do, it will only be once I've achieved everything I set out to do on day 1. I am a man of my word, and like others finish what I started as for me there is nothing more satisfying than seeing all the plans come together in fruition. Not everyone thinks money is the be all and end all, everyone has different life experiences.

I also do not bitch and moan about things I was well aware off before I even took the job, its pointless and just shows a level of naivety and stupidity that makes me laugh like mad. Everyone seems to have sympathy for him, I do not. Rovers have always had no money to spend for the last 5-6 years we have barely spent 5M a season. For Sam to be ###### of at a situation he was well aware of in the first place of taking the job, .

Ince was a case of not being up to the job and surely you remember that I was very vocally against his appointment. Not being good enough to do the job is a completely different aspect. Football is ruthless, I know that more than most on here, but at the same time there is a serious amount of loyalty as well. Its a unique beast.

No I haven't seen Sam's contract, but at the same time I have met some of the people who would have drawn up that contract and I have no doubt at all that there is no such clause as they are far from fools. Have the club also not said recently that they have had no contact from them?

The point I was trying to make is that, simply people on here are saying that its OK for Sam to shop around for a new job (whether he is or not is irrelevant) but yet when Ped's did the same (whilst being allowed to) everyone accused him of being disloyal, not committed and so on.

Double standards.

[broadsword]

Sam's in his fifties, he's had heart problems ... he'll have a different perspective to you.

With uncertainty about what will happen with Blackburn ... who really could blame him for taking one last massive payday?

He took us to tenth last year, assuming the club isn't sold in the immediate future, that's about the limit of our ambitions right now, tenth. And don't forget he took a lot of stick last season too.

If I was him I'd be off like a shot and wouldn't look back.

[unluckymorton]

Sam's in his fifties, he's had heart problems ... he'll have a different perspective to you.

With uncertainty about what will happen with Blackburn ... who really could blame him for taking one last massive payday?

He took us to tenth last year, assuming the club isn't sold in the immediate future, that's about the limit of our ambitions right now, tenth. And don't forget he took a lot of stick last season too.

If I was him I'd be off like a shot and wouldn't look back.

I agree Bryan. He doesn't owe Rovers anything (his contract would be settled as compensation), and he's not a Rovers fan so doesn't think like us. Just like any one of us, IF the rumours are true he'd be a fool to turn his back on his dream job and a nice big fat payday.

However, I still think everybody is reading far too deeply into this....

[jim mk2]

I might be wrong but I don't think Allardyce will leave Rovers.

I still think he has ambitions in football and moving to Dubai out of mainstream world football would be a backward step, an admission that he is on the retirement path and seeking to maximise his pension pot.

Although he is obviously frustrated at Rovers and we could well lose him to another PL club with more financial firepower, I would be surprised if he went to Dubai.

[thenodrog]

I've had my days of chasing better jobs and the such in my 20's, more money prestige and the such. Is it all its cracked up to be, in my opinion no. I am happy were I am at present and happiness is more important to me than any other aspect of life. For me to want to move on, which I off course have ambitions to do, it will only be once I've achieved everything I set out to do on day 1. I am a man of my word, and like others finish what I started as for me there is nothing more satisfying than seeing all the plans come together in fruition. Not everyone thinks money is the be all and end all, everyone has different life experiences.

I also do not bitch and moan about things I was well aware off before I even took the job, its pointless and just shows a level of naivety and stupidity that makes me laugh like mad. Everyone seems to have sympathy for him, I do not. Rovers have always had no money to spend for the last 5-6 years we have barely spent 5M a season. For Sam to be ###### of at a situation he was well aware of in the first place of taking the job, .

Ince was a case of not being up to the job and surely you remember that I was very vocally against his appointment. Not being good enough to do the job is a completely different aspect. Football is ruthless, I know that more than most on here, but at the same time there is a serious amount of loyalty as well. Its a unique beast.

No I haven't seen Sam's contract, but at the same time I have met some of the people who would have drawn up that contract and I have no doubt at all that there is no such clause as they are far from fools. Have the club also not said recently that they have had no contact from them?

The point I was trying to make is that, simply people on here are saying that its OK for Sam to shop around for a new job (whether he is or not is irrelevant) but yet when Ped's did the same (whilst being allowed to) everyone accused him of being disloyal, not committed and so on.

Double standards.

Rem when SA was appointed by Shepherd at NUFC and Ashley breezed in within a few weeks? His tenure was never very strong after that and interference in his management appeared overly invasive as it was obvious that Ashley saw him as Shepherd's man and wanted his own appointment in.

Who'se to say that Allardyce might now be viewing his position at brfc with from a perspective of deja vu given all the takeover rumours? New brooms and all that.

Maj this is hardly worth discussing cos if he gets a much better offer he will be off. It's the industry norm.