[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[John]

Here's a thought Sam, find some ruddy players, and real players please.

Sure he would love to sign a player (or some players), however, lack of finance is a slight problem!

[Parsonblue]

Here's a thought Sam, find some ruddy players, and real players please.

And how is he supposed to do that without a transfer budget? In the LT this morning he states that a number of the players he wanted have "come and gone". He again stated that he wants a midfield player and a striker but may have to settle for just a midfield player. It suggests to me that the takeover is a long way from being completed - if it ever is - and that money remains extremely tight. Having watched the game at Deepdale, I'm not quite sure how he is going to solve our problems with so little in the way of transfer funds. While we have a number of promising young defenders coming through the ranks we have very little in the way of midfielders - although I think Marrow shows great promise - and nothing in the way of a forward.

[JAL]

And how is he supposed to do that without a transfer budget? In the LT this morning he states that a number of the players he wanted have "come and gone". He again stated that he wants a midfield player and a striker but may have to settle for just a midfield player. It suggests to me that the takeover is a long way from being completed - if it ever is - and that money remains extremely tight. Having watched the game at Deepdale, I'm not quite sure how he is going to solve our problems with so little in the way of transfer funds. While we have a number of promising young defenders coming through the ranks we have very little in the way of midfielders - although I think Marrow shows great promise - and nothing in the way of a forward.

Its unacceptable ! in the current situation the debt levels will simply have to rise to accomodate a summer recruitment 2010, but you've got to question Rovers management of their wage bill upto now.

[thenodrog]

Here's a thought Sam, find some ruddy players, and real players please.

Easy peasy I suppose.

You work in the industry as a coach I believe maj, so why not set yourself up as a scout? If you are any good I'm sure you'll find it very lucrative.... indeed I'm sure BRFC and SA would love to pay you lots of money for unearthing Prem quality players before somebody else finds them.

[Majiball]

Sure he would love to sign a player (or some players), however, lack of finance is a slight problem!

I've an idea, since it seems this young lad hasn't turned up and given his previous pedigree, why not jump on a plane and go see him. I reckon the lad would be seriously impressed by that. There's something for him to do other than fuel his ego.

I just get fed up with almost every day Sam has something to say/brag about, that's not Rovers.

[thenodrog]

Its unacceptable ! in the current situation the debt levels will simply have to rise to accomodate a summer recruitment 2010, but you've got to question Rovers management of their wage bill upto now.

Doesn't compute JAL. Reducing the wages would make it even harder to attract better players and keep the ones that we want to keep surely?

My solution as I've said before is to increase wages significantly but reduce contract length. No doubt there'll be reasons why this wont work but I can't readily think of them.

I just get fed up with almost every day Sam has something to say/brag about, that's not Rovers.

Rather churlish maj.

1. He'll be getting paid for it.

2. Having an influential manager whose opinion is much sought after certainly helps raise BRFC's profile.

3. It keeps him in the frame for other jobs.

Win win situation for all.

[DanLad]

I dreamt last night that Sam died of a heart attack or something!

[CrazyIvan]

I dreamt last night that Sam died of a heart attack or something!

What was the 'or something'? Eating too much chewing gum and swallowing it?

[Majiball]

Easy peasy I suppose.

You work in the industry as a coach I believe maj, so why not set yourself up as a scout? If you are any good I'm sure you'll find it very lucrative.... indeed I'm sure BRFC and SA would love to pay you lots of money for unearthing Prem quality players before somebody else finds them.

:lol:

No chance, never work for the club you love.

I'm not saying its easy, but Hughes managed it year in year out and if he could do so can Sam. It doesn't matter whats going on away from the pitch, all that matters is what goes on on the pitch. No matter what happens with this noose inducing take over saga, the fact remains we must sign some players. Loans, free's, kids whatever the sooner they come in the better, otherwise we'll be waiting 6 months to see them play again.

Any how I'm off to the club shop to get Banjoni No. 9 on my new shirt.

If Sam thinks dissing Blatter is a good way to get himself in the frame for his much desired England job, well what do you say.

I'd say its all about making this:

EGO

Into this:

EGO

[thenodrog]

I'm not saying its easy, but Hughes managed it year in year out and if he could do so can Sam.

My old sig suggested that we'd miss Hughes the scout more than Hughes the manager. However Hughes paid more individually for Sav, Bellamy and RSC than we are lead to believe Allardyce has to spend. Granted he did well with Bentley, Samba and Warnock but SA too has done well with signing Givet and N'Zonzi.

:If Sam thinks dissing Blatter is a good way to get himself in the frame for his much desired England job, well what do you say.

Like the majority I'd agree with anybody dissing Blatter.

[DanLad]

What was the 'or something'? Eating too much chewing gum and swallowing it?

Not sure, you know how dreams are! I think it was heart attack, but it might have been me thinking that he had a dodgy heart after I'd received the news.

He could have seen us try to play with 2 up front and died of shock?

Edit - I did think, in my dream, 'oh hell, what do we do now?'

[Majiball]

My old sig suggested that we'd miss Hughes the scout more than Hughes the manager. However Hughes paid more individually for Sav, Bellamy and RSC than we are lead to believe Allardyce has to spend. Granted he did well with Bentley, Samba and Warnock but SA too has done well with signing Givet and N'Zonzi.

We may only have pennies to spend but somewhere there is a player that fits our bill.

Personally I think Sam's transfer dealings to date have been pretty poor.

[Exiled_Rover]

We may only have pennies to spend but somewhere there is a player that fits our bill.

Personally I think Sam's transfer dealings to date have been pretty poor.

I do hope you're only referring to this off season.

Otherwise we're on different wave lengths. Givet, Salgado, N'Zonzi and Kalinic are a cut above the dross that turns out for us. I think he made a mistake with Chimbonda, but that reeks of a panic buy. Di Santo did a job, and I'd have him back at the right price.

I think he did a fantastic job last season bringing those players in. I'm worried that we've yet to sign anyone this season though. If we don't then I'll start to think he's been pretty poor in the transfer market.

[Majiball]

I do hope you're only referring to this off season.

Otherwise we're on different wave lengths. Givet, Salgado, N'Zonzi and Kalinic are a cut above the dross that turns out for us. I think he made a mistake with Chimbonda, but that reeks of a panic buy. Di Santo did a job, and I'd have him back at the right price.

I think he did a fantastic job last season bringing those players in. I'm worried that we've yet to sign anyone this season though. If we don't then I'll start to think he's been pretty poor in the transfer market.

No.

Givet & N'zonzi were both good signings.

Salgado for the money against No. of games played (and played well) for me does not imply that we desperatly needed him as Sam reckoned. If he can play like he did all this season, then I'll change my stance. 35K a week or almost 2 million for 10 games.

Chimbonda, waste of money, we needed a left back, signed a right back who can't block crosses.

Kalinic, looks like he could do something, but again he hasn't done a thing yet. Hopefully he comes good this year, he has to.

Di Santo, looked a shadow of the player I saw in chelsea reserves and is the Argentinian Heskey.

Jacobsen, not needed and yet another right back, doesn't look comfortable on the ball.

The South African, ran away quickie than Linford.

Diouf, reasonable start but all last year he might as well of been off learning to drive.

2 good ones, 2 potentially good ones and the rest are a waste of our limited funds.

[Amo]

Doesn't compute JAL. Reducing the wages would make it even harder to attract better players and keep the ones that we want to keep surely?

My solution as I've said before is to increase wages significantly but reduce contract length. No doubt there'll be reasons why this wont work but I can't readily think of them.

Sorry, Drog, I don't buy that. Quality players necessitate expensive wages. We have a severe lack of star players in our side, but the wage bill does not reflect that. I thought the recent revelation about Zurab's wages would have proved this. £30k per week for an unsung squad player? Madness. In two or three years time, we'll have the exact same problem with Pedersen and Andrews. Players past their prime and no one willing to take on their wages, because Rovers were suckered into boosting their contracts. In Andrews' case, he didn't even ASK for a new contract. JW just promised him one out of the goodness of his heart. Like I said recently, Rovers need someone in the board-room willing to play hardball, because it's no wonder we have nothing to spend when it's all going into the player's pockets.

[Exiled in Toronto]

And how is he supposed to do that without a transfer budget?

Do what he's paid a fortune to do - manage. We don't have a free transfer budget, so we have to trade. Sell Samba or Nelly and throw Jones in. Sell one of his precious right backs.

One reason we don't have a transfer budget has been the signing of some massive salaries like Salgado and Diouf for marginal benefit. One reason we haven't signed a forward is the month-long distraction of chasing a Real Madrid first-teamer we could never have afforded anyway.

[Parsonblue]

Do what he's paid a fortune to do - manage. We don't have a free transfer budget, so we have to trade. Sell Samba or Nelly and throw Jones in. Sell one of his precious right backs.

One reason we don't have a transfer budget has been the signing of some massive salaries like Salgado and Diouf for marginal benefit. One reason we haven't signed a forward is the month-long distraction of chasing a Real Madrid first-teamer we could never have afforded anyway.

I think he has managed a limited budget exceptionally well to be honest. To achieve tenth place and reach the semi-final of a major cup competition is a pretty decent achievement, particularly when you consider the position the former manager left the club in. I fully agree that he may well have to sell to bring in other players but I'm not sure he will be allowed to sell the likes of Samba or Jones while the takeover talks are ongoing. I can't believe that any prospective buyer would be too pleased to see our better players being sold at this point.

I'm not quite sure how much of distraction there has been in expressing the opinion that if funds were available that he would like to sign certain players. It appears to me that the takeover has been the main distraction this summer.

[Majiball]

Sam's contribution in last seasons 10th place was great and well received.

But how many of his signings made up that team?? (the one that actually won games)

Quite a number of his signings ended up not being good enough and being on the bench.

[JAL]

Doesn't compute JAL. Reducing the wages would make it even harder to attract better players and keep the ones that we want to keep surely?

My solution as I've said before is to increase wages significantly but reduce contract length. No doubt there'll be reasons why this wont work but I can't readily think of them.

By saying increase the debt, i'm supporting increasing the wage bill Theno.

[Blue blood]

No.

Givet & N'zonzi were both good signings.

Salgado for the money against No. of games played (and played well) for me does not imply that we desperatly needed him as Sam reckoned. If he can play like he did all this season, then I'll change my stance. 35K a week or almost 2 million for 10 games.

Chimbonda, waste of money, we needed a left back, signed a right back who can't block crosses.

Kalinic, looks like he could do something, but again he hasn't done a thing yet. Hopefully he comes good this year, he has to.

Di Santo, looked a shadow of the player I saw in chelsea reserves and is the Argentinian Heskey.

Jacobsen, not needed and yet another right back, doesn't look comfortable on the ball.

The South African, ran away quickie than Linford.

Diouf, reasonable start but all last year he might as well of been off learning to drive.

2 good ones, 2 potentially good ones and the rest are a waste of our limited funds.

I agree about all bar Jacobsen. We did need another rb along with Emerton, and Jacobsen on a free has looked a solid player. He played rather well at the start until injuries and a new child took their toll.

As for Kalinic, he looks to have a lot of potential, and was unlucky not to get another 3-4 goals which would make people look a lot more favourable on him. I firmly believe that with the right strike partner or a system suited to him he'd be a very good player.

Not sure that either will happen. Having said that not sure given our finances that we can afford not to have one of those two options happen.

[matt4self45]

I agree about all bar Jacobsen. We did need another rb along with Emerton, and Jacobsen on a free has looked a solid player. He played rather well at the start until injuries and a new child took their toll.

As for Kalinic, he looks to have a lot of potential, and was unlucky not to get another 3-4 goals which would make people look a lot more favourable on him. I firmly believe that with the right strike partner or a system suited to him he'd be a very good player.

Not sure that either will happen. Having said that not sure given our finances that we can afford not to have one of those two options happen.

I have to say that I agree with the points brought up about both Jacobsen and Kalinic. Jacobsen, in my opinion was unfortunate not to get more games than he did last season, I always thought he looked reasonably solid. Kalinic, even though he does have potential I'm still not convinced that he'll come good for us next year. Often he looked a frustrated figure last year when played up front on his own. To me he's very much a ball player and is not suited to holding a long ball up top on his own. My biggest fear with Kalinic is that we end up selling him within the next couple of years at a cut price and he finally fulfils his potential with a club much more suited to his style of football.

I'm a newbie and accidentally deleted the quote box...... It's from Blue Blood.

[Manc Rover]

According to Sam, finishing 10th was like winning the league. What absolute rubbish! It was a good achievement but a slight over-reeaction.

http://bit.ly/9P7eHd

[Amo]

According to Sam, finishing 10th was like winning the league. What absolute rubbish! It was a good achievement but a slight over-reeaction.

http://bit.ly/9P7eHd

For a moment, I thought that was gonna link to Sam's fake twitter page.

He's getting carried away there. It was a very respectable achievement, but it makes us look small-time comparing it to a league title.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Wonder if the Fulham job might be interesting to Sam now?

[The Rover of Finland]

I think Brum won our league and we took second place.