[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[47er]

Just see the telewag...the great one strikes again.how come when we lose its someone elses fault,never his and when we win he's the expert and it is what he's paid to do...the man buggers belief.

i think the phraise is" beggars' belief but your meaning comes through! Just remember we finished tenth though won't you?

[ABBEY]

i think the phraise is" beggars' belief but your meaning comes through! Just remember we finished tenth though won't you?

before pulling my post to bits,i think phrase is done this way with no "i" ?

10th? good finish , @#/? football,boredom and manager with a bigger head than Mr potato head on steroids.

[47er]

before pulling my post to bits,i think phrase is done this way with no "i" ?

10th? good finish , @#/? football,boredom and manager with a bigger head than Mr potato head on steroids.

"pulling your post to bits"? Bit sensitive there. You'll be turning into New Age Man next!

[ABBEY]

new age man is my middle name!!!

[Exiled in Toronto]

I like it too - for a naturally quiet man, Sparky started to talk himself up to during his Rovers day.

No one pays too much attention when you are at "small town clubs" and the lack of credit is not always there.

Why not talk yourself up.

Au contraire; Hughes invariably talked up his backroom staff and the team.

The earlier argument that all great managers are arrogant does not mean that all arrogant managers are great. Allardyce has won nothing as a player or a manager. Working miracles on small budgets (but not small wage bills) hardly puts him in the same realm as managers who win things wherever they go. He won't manage England and I can't see who above us would take him.

Personally I find his endless trumpet-blowing embarrassing.

[tony gale's mic]

Au contraire; Hughes invariably talked up his backroom staff and the team.

The earlier argument that all great managers are arrogant does not mean that all arrogant managers are great. Allardyce has won nothing as a player or a manager. Working miracles on small budgets (but not small wage bills) hardly puts him in the same realm as managers who win things wherever they go. He won't manage England and I can't see who above us would take him.

Personally I find his endless trumpet-blowing embarrassing.

What has Harry Redknapp won apart from a League Cup and an FA Cup after spending huge amounts of money?

Yet he's always the media darling and Sam is hardly ever given credit in the media despite sustained success with Bolton and now he's doing well with Rovers. He got pretty harshly treated at Newcastle too. If I found my achievements being belittled as much as his have been I'd be wanting to big myself up a bit more too. You mention his name to most football fans around the country and you'll find people will have negative rather than positive opinions about his managerial abilities.

[jim mk2]

Allardyce has won nothing as a player or a manager. Working miracles on small budgets (but not small wage bills) hardly puts him in the same realm as managers who win things wherever they go. He won't manage England and I can't see who above us would take him.

Personally I find his endless trumpet-blowing embarrassing.

There are very few managers who win anything - unless they are in charge of Chelsea or ManU or Arsenal. And there are plenty of great players who have won no silverware. Shearer has only one medal on his sideboard for instance. In the present unequal playing field of Premier League, Allardyce is not just a great manager - he's a miracle worker. I cannot think of any other manager who in the past 18 months could have turned round Rovers from relegation certainties to 10th place, a cup semi-final and notable victories over the so-called big four with such a limited budget and playing staff.

Far more embarrassing is your constant sniping at Allardyce which does you no credit. If you dislike Allardyce so much suggest a creditable manager who would have been willing to manage Rovers who could have achieved all of the above. I'll help you though - there isn't one.

[imy9]

Summed up perfectly Jim- Sam is a miracle worker working with a non existant budget, I would think Sparky could have done it with the budget or Mourinho!

[Majiball]

There are very few managers who win anything - unless they are in charge of Chelsea or ManU or Arsenal. And there are plenty of great players who have won no silverware. Shearer has only one medal on his sideboard for instance. In the present unequal playing field of Premier League, Allardyce is not just a great manager - he's a miracle worker. I cannot think of any other manager who in the past 18 months could have turned round Rovers from relegation certainties to 10th place, a cup semi-final and notable victories over the so-called big four with such a limited budget and playing staff.

Far more embarrassing is your constant sniping at Allardyce which does you no credit. If you dislike Allardyce so much suggest a creditable manager who would have been willing to manage Rovers who could have achieved all of the above. I'll help you though - there isn't one.

Sam for pope!!!

If he's a miracle worker then he can bring back entertaining football as opposed to the repetitive dross i have to watch.

We have been amonst the lowest spenders in the league for years well before "the deity" arrived.

PS if Sam the only one capable of keeping us in this league, then we're screwed by your warped viewpoint in 2 years time.

[imy9]

Sam for pope!!!

If he's a miracle worker then he can bring back entertaining football as opposed to the repetitive dross i have to watch.

We have been amonst the lowest spenders in the league for years well before "the deity" arrived.

Seriously when you can remember Rovers having NO transfer budget over the ladt couple of years? Hughes signed players with far less pressure than Sam, McCarthy, roberts, bellamy to name three when we were not obliged to sell players. Last season we sold over 20 million worth of talent and bought who? Transforming a team 5 points adrift from safety to tenth in the league, beating top 4 team and semi of cup is a miracle, he has also brought through Olsson, hanley, jones, hoilett, nzonzi, how much will they be worth? So boring football? Effective football, though i expect us to play better once the rest of the deadwood is gone.

PS if Sam the only one capable of keeping us in this league, then we're screwed by your warped viewpoint in 2 years time.

[Majiball]

Seriously when you can remember Rovers having NO transfer budget over the ladt couple of years? Hughes signed players with far less pressure than Sam, McCarthy, roberts, bellamy to name three when we were not obliged to sell players. Last season we sold over 20 million worth of talent and bought who? Transforming a team 5 points adrift from safety to tenth in the league, beating top 4 team and semi of cup is a miracle, he has also brought through Olsson, hanley, jones, hoilett, nzonzi, how much will they be worth? So boring football? Effective football, though i expect us to play better once the rest of the deadwood is gone.

Could you not just reply normally???

From that squad that finished 6th etc we have lost 3 key players. How many have we signed in that time??? Sam is not responsible for it all, the muppet takes some blame but those saying we sold 20 million worth of talent should remember it was only 2 players, last summer. We lost RSC and warnock, one who played no part that year anyway and a left back. Both should have been easily replaced with a 12M kitty. He's meant to be a master at working with a tight budget, 12M is not tight. But what have we got??? Dross, in the main. hughes lost bellamy for peanuts but found another gem for less, Sam found an unproven potential something.

So Sam transformed a team that had mostly in finished in or around the euro places, lost 3 players into a 10th place team. WOW what a miracle, I must take some lead with me to brockhall hall next time. Your obviously easily pleased and impressed, I can understand it after Ince but whilst he deserves credit a pedestal is a bit OTT.

Our game is not effective, when did we last score from open play? We play for position and set-pieces and we're awful at those as well. We finished in mid table for goals scored from set pieces last year.

Sam has done a decent job no more, a few good signings, several stinkers, a decent finish with some shocking interpretation of the beautiful game. He is far from a miracle worker.

[jim mk2]

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[Neil Weaver]

There are very few managers who win anything - unless they are in charge of Chelsea or ManU or Arsenal. And there are plenty of great players who have won no silverware. Shearer has only one medal on his sideboard for instance. In the present unequal playing field of Premier League, Allardyce is not just a great manager - he's a miracle worker. I cannot think of any other manager who in the past 18 months could have turned round Rovers from relegation certainties to 10th place, a cup semi-final and notable victories over the so-called big four with such a limited budget and playing staff.

Bloody ell Jim, does he vote Labour?

[braddock]

taking results aside, does anybody enjoy sam allardyce's style of football?

genuine question. i understand why it is employed and i accept it is needed at the moment.

[ABBEY]

taking results aside, does anybody enjoy sam allardyce's style of football?

genuine question. i understand why it is employed and i accept it is needed at the moment.

NO ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Majiball]

taking results aside, does anybody enjoy sam allardyce's style of football?

genuine question. i understand why it is employed and i accept it is needed at the moment.

No I most certainly do not.

These are ELITE level footballers they can play. I will never understand its deployment or accept it is needed.

[Tom]

taking results aside, does anybody enjoy sam allardyce's style of football?

genuine question. i understand why it is employed and i accept it is needed at the moment.

Not at all but results matter and last season he got that right. Also I do enjoy the amount of good young talent coming through, how much credit Sam can take for that is another issue.

[Doaksie]

taking results aside, does anybody enjoy sam allardyce's style of football?

genuine question. i understand why it is employed and i accept it is needed at the moment.

The majority of the season was as dull as toilet water to watch so definitely not. However the relatively successful results were clearly aided by the rather defensive tactics. The two go hand in hand.

[braddock]

No I most certainly do not.

These are ELITE level footballers they can play. I will never understand its deployment or accept it is needed.

it is needed because he isn't a good enough manager to do it any other way

[imy9]

Sorry mate using iphone 2g and it messed up the message.

Brad, warnock, tugay, rsc, benni, bentley thats six off the top of my head not three that have gone since we finished sixth. Sam lost 28 million last season if you inc warnock where did he spend 12 million out of those funds? Jw used to say all transfer money would go to the manager...this has changed some what.

On to the messiah Hughes, how many youngsters did he bring through, do you think sam deserves any credit for this or is it only worthy of a decent job? If you budget for 11th and finish 10th that is an excellent job in most peoples eyes, i assume you expect cl football for an excellent job?

[jim mk2]

These are ELITE level footballers they can play. I will never understand its deployment or accept it is needed.

They are not elite footballers, they are in the main solid pros earning a living. The likes of Messi and Ronaldo are elite players.

Your second sentence shows a complete lack of understanding of professional football and the psychology of the people who work in it in which results on the pitch affect their lives to an extent that is not understandable to the man in the street and wet-behind-the-ears students in particular.

[chaddyrovers]

taking results aside, does anybody enjoy sam allardyce's style of football?

genuine question. i understand why it is employed and i accept it is needed at the moment.

His style is winning football. You got to give him time take to delevop the club more. Paul Ince try to change the way we play by us adopt a passing sytle of football BUT IT DID NOT WORK AND WE WERE SECOND BOTTOM AND GOING DOWN!!! The players were down and not enjoying the football. Alot had to do will Paul Ince attitude and his management style. Then Big Sam came in and save us from going down, then the last season we finish 10th and got to a semi final! If we finish top 10 and have a good cup run then I will be happy.

I wish some fans will stop moaning about Big sam and his ways!!! Without him we would be in the championship and going nowhere if we had keep Ince in charge! So the fans who are always moaning about him pick which one you would want

1) Got relegation and playing Championship football. The Club would be in Adminstration like Pompey

OR

2) In the premiership, playing winning football, finish 10th and a semi final!!!

I know which 1 I would pick and it would be number 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Majiball]

They are not elite footballers, they are in the main solid pros earning a living. The likes of Messi and Ronaldo are elite players.

Your second sentence shows a complete lack of understanding of professional football and the psychology of the people who work in it in which results on the pitch affect their lives to an extent that is not understandable to the man in the street and wet-behind-the-ears students in particular.

LOL, they are elite level old man, they play in an elite league and for their countries. How much higher can you go in football???

Your reply shows a complete lack of understanding of the English language and context, ELITE LEVEL was the term used and that they are. No man outside of football could ever understand poor results/performances costing them their job could they, Mmmm let me think oh Gordon brown maybe.

Sam has done a decent job, but its hardly as if he's the first manager to take a team in the bottom three before Xmas to safety. A lot of you seem to think its never been done before. Results yes are the be all and end all, but football is as much entertainment since sky has come in skill and the such, something that in the main has disappeared from our play.

[Parsonblue]

Results yes are the be all and end all, but football is as much entertainment since sky has come in skill and the such, something that in the main has disappeared from our play.

For a club like Blackburn Rovers results must come before entertainment. At the end of the day, Premier League survival is all that matters for the Rovers. Relegation could well spell the end of the club as we know it. I've watched the Rovers for 50 years and I must say that I have seen far worse games during that time than those I witnessed last season - and I was at every one of them. I admit that Sam's pragmatic style is not everyone's cup of tea but, when you listen to the guy, he clearly believes with a passion that his methods and style of play are right for the club. Ultimately, he was appointed to keep the Rovers in the top flight. Those who appointed him knew the style of football he believes in and ultimately the judgement was made that Premier League survival is essential for the long term future of the club.

Mark Hughes left because he felt hindered in his ambitions - for both the club and himself - by a lack of finance. Paul Ince tried to adopt a style of play and management that the players didn't buy into and it almost cost the club dearly.

I feel that Sam is slowly building a team and convincing the players that his methods are correct but, the key to success will depend on who the club can afford to buy to lead the attack.

While Sam keeps this club afloat in the top flight I am more than happy to go along with his methods. I've witnessed the fall from top of Division One to bottom of Division Three with the Rovers once before, it's not something I wish to witness again. I accept that Sam is not the only man who could achieve Premier League survival but he is a SAFE pair of hands. As we saw with Paul Ince, a gamble on the unknown can sometimes be very dangerous.

[imy9]

I would disagree with your usage of the word ELITE. Yes premier league footballers can be deemed elite if you were to compare them to say championship footballers and below, however would you not agree that there are mini leagues within the premier league? Thus elite footbAllers would be playing at the top of this, eg Arsenal, spurs, chelsea and man utd as they take part in the elite competition- champions league? To be part of any elite you would be in the top 10%, there are 500 pl players, top 4 would cover those places.