[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[Sandiway Blue]

What a load of tosh.

We got promoted barely back in 1992, it was obvious to all and sundry back then that we had to sign better players to the mark on the premier league that Jack desired. That first season back in the top tier we lead the league easily up until Shearer's injury and I honestly believe we would have won it that year had he stayed fit. 4 major transfers were made that season, Shearer 3.4, Gally 1.5, Berg 400K & Le saux 650K, lest we forget United were willing to pay similar for Shearer as well (United spent in total, 6.89M in the season of 1989/90). 4 players added in, one an unproven striker from Southampton, a reject from Chelsea, a coventry player with 28 in 100 for them, a player United had rejected them selves in 1987. Hardly the signings of the decade when they were made and no-one in their right mind ever expected what was to happen over the next few years and not even as much as United spent 2-3 years earlier.

We always get accused off buying the league and starting the craze of stupid spending in this league, but its just not true. United bought Keane not long after for 3.75, we signed Sutton for 5 and the same year they spent 7 on Cole. One thing that is well worth noting is that in total I believe Kenny spent 28.5M (United still spent about 14M)on players whilst he was here leading up to our title winning season, which it is true was more than any club. However what people seem to easily forget is that we came from League 2 not a few years before. Teams Like United already had proven quality players as did Arsenal, Liverpool and United if you want to win the league as Jack did, what else do you do? Hope and pray the current crop is good enough??? No you improve the squad.

People should take a look at the British record transfer fees before saying we bought the league and started the craze, (My link), how many times have we broken the record for buying players??? A big fat zero. United paid 1.5M in 1981 (we spent that on Gally a full 11 years later) for Robson, Hughes for 2.3M in 1986 (we spent about that on batty almost 8 years later), wilkins for 1.5M in 1984, Waddle went for 4.25 way back in 1989, Rush for 3.2M in 1987 (what did Shearer cost???), and yet we are the ones accused over sending the market crazy. B.O.L.L.O.C.K.S. is the correct term for what people say about Rovers and buying the league. That sort of money was being spent long before Jack even owned the club.

Its propaganda and lies most likely emanated from the poor little people we up-set along the way. What did United do the season after they got promoted back into the top tier way back in 1976, that's right in 1977 they went on a spending spree, Joe Jordan (350K), Gordon McQueen(495K) and Ray Wilkins (800K), and yet for doing no different than them we get slatted. Uniteds transfers from 1986 - to date., I'll wager when you add in the players that they signed during that time that were still playing for them during the premier league and our title winning season, they'll be much nearer our £28.5M spend. Oh what a surprise, when you add onto to uniteds 14M the players that were still with them about that time you hit 27.5M.

We did no different after promotion than any other club with ambition has ever done. We have only broken the transfer fee once for selling Shearer and yet its all our fault. A lowly little town club, got promoted spent only double the same as United did during that period (about the same in total) and we more than matched them along the way, bought the league my pale Scottish arse.

History shows that spending money is far from a guarantee of anything in football, just look at Real Madrid. Kenny created a great team, built on a system that brought out the best in them and yet we still bought it, spending pretty much exactly the same as United had assembling their team.

Good post!

The league has been bought for the last 20+ years! End of argument really..

[Andy]

What always makes me laugh, is that people say we bought the title in 1995, yet both Man U and Liverpool spent more than us before and throughout that season and both finished below us.

[Gav]

Allardyce's body language when interviewed is shocking, it's like he'd rather be somewhere else than Ewood Park. Remember how you f****d it up at St James's fatty ?

Interview shown on Granada tonight or whatever it's called, he commented on City saying 'anyone can buy the league, Blackburn did it'. We always were accused of that and now our Manager rubber stamps it on telly, Bolton worshipping tosser.

The guys a complete p***k, always has been always will be.

He was also going on yesterday about Woy Hodgson being favourite for the England job and how its not fair! WTF has hit got to do with him?

Fat headed ****

[BuckyRover]

Here's his anti Hodgson rant.

http://www.football365.com/mediawatch/0,17033,8749_6368013,00.html

Bizarre

[SouthAussieRover]

Allardyce kept us up last season.

Therefore Allardyce is a saviour.

Those who disagree are pissants who are full of their own self importance.

Fack off and join Waggy at his boozer.

[LeChuck]

Not happy about his comments in the media. Sam has faults, and quite a few of them, but who else would come to this club given the last two transfer windows? Not even pittance to spend this window and a -£10 (ish) million budget last year.

I think we're all in agreement that fresh investment is the only way we can continue to be a successful PL club. To be attractive to investors we've got to continue producing top half (or as near as possible) finishes. I can't think of another manager who could even come close to virtually guaranteeing safety, plus that bit extra.

Obviously there will be no tears shed when he leaves, but right now we need him in that managerial position. Hopefully a takeover will happen soon, allowing us to attract better managers when Allardyce leaves.

[67splitscreen]

Not happy about his comments in the media. Sam has faults, and quite a few of them, but who else would come to this club given the last two transfer windows? Not even pittance to spend this window and a -£10 (ish) million budget last year.

I think we're all in agreement that fresh investment is the only way we can continue to be a successful PL club. To be attractive to investors we've got to continue producing top half (or as near as possible) finishes. I can't think of another manager who could even come close to virtually guaranteeing safety, plus that bit extra.

Obviously there will be no tears shed when he leaves, but right now we need him in that managerial position. Hopefully a takeover will happen soon, allowing us to attract better managers when Allardyce leaves.

Agreed, as I said earlier, I can't fault what he has done on the pitch and in the overall management role. The rest you can stick it ...........

[imy9]

I read the comments about hodgson, he said that his favourite on the back of a good season with fulham, remember his first season at rovers, he was favourite then too.what has hodgson done before fulham and after rovers? working in weak leagues around europe.don't see what the fuss is about really?

[BuckyRover]

Inter Milan?

UEFA cup final with Fulham?

Not playing percentage football?

I'm happy that he is here, I just wish that he was.

[LeChuck]

Inter Milan?

UEFA cup final with Fulham?

Not playing percentage football?

I'm happy that he is here, I just wish that he was.

I think Sam does have a point regarding Hodgson.

He looked like he was drifting out of the top level game before Fulham took a very surprising chance on him. His jobs over the last 5 years before Fulham were the UAE, Viking and Finland.

He did a good job at Fulham, but his reputation there is heavily propped up by that UEFA Cup final appearance, otherwise it's just a series of mid-table finishes. Sam outperformed him in the league with us, and had Bolton on the coat-tails of CL clubs, something Hodgson hasn't even come close to.

For me, Hodgson has to do something with Liverpool to be a contender. Remember what happened to the last English coach to get the job off the back of a good UEFA Cup run? There are still questions hanging over him regarding being able to produce winning sides at the top level. If he can't then Redknapp is the far superior choice, breaking in to the top four is much more difficult than reaching the UEFA Cup final.

[imy9]

Agreed LeChuck.

[Gav]

Allardyce kept us up last season.

Therefore Allardyce is a saviour.

Those who disagree are pissants who are full of their own self importance.

Fack off and join Waggy at his boozer.

I wasn't talking about you Don I was talking about Allardyce

[Gav]

I think Sam does have a point regarding Hodgson.

He looked like he was drifting out of the top level game before Fulham took a very surprising chance on him. His jobs over the last 5 years before Fulham were the UAE, Viking and Finland.

Hodgsons managerial CV puts Allardyces to shame on ever level for me, old fat head should have a little more respect than to bad mouth another premiership managers record and England credentials.

I'm sick the back teeth or hearing him talking himself up or hammering other managers, and nows he's slagging us off for buying the league in 95.

[broadsword]

I think Sam does have a point regarding Hodgson.

He looked like he was drifting out of the top level game before Fulham took a very surprising chance on him. His jobs over the last 5 years before Fulham were the UAE, Viking and Finland.

He did a good job at Fulham, but his reputation there is heavily propped up by that UEFA Cup final appearance, otherwise it's just a series of mid-table finishes. Sam outperformed him in the league with us, and had Bolton on the coat-tails of CL clubs, something Hodgson hasn't even come close to.

For me, Hodgson has to do something with Liverpool to be a contender. Remember what happened to the last English coach to get the job off the back of a good UEFA Cup run? There are still questions hanging over him regarding being able to produce winning sides at the top level. If he can't then Redknapp is the far superior choice, breaking in to the top four is much more difficult than reaching the UEFA Cup final.

Hodgson's much better than Allardyce. Can you see Fat Sam managing Inter and getting them through to the UEFA Cup Final <guffaw>.

Your appraisal is remarkably one-eyed. Hodgson wasn't a fashionable manager for a time, it's true. But he got Fulham through to the Europa final on a road that stretched back to July, so of course he wasn't going to get them really high up in the league, they didn't have a squad to sustain 60+ games. When he took them over they were certs for relegation, so you have to say he did a quality job there, put his name back in fashion (manager's names can go out of fashion, even when they're still decent) and copped the Liverpool job. Can you see fat lad getting that job? No.

Roy's been about, well-travelled, variety of jobs, sat on the FIFA technical committee, still well thought of at Inter, did a great job with Switzerland, very good at organising sides. Whereas potato helmet bogged up imperially at Newcastle.

As for Redknapp, he's a wheelking dealing wide boy who shouldn't be anywhere near the England job. Does OK when he's allowed to go mad on transfers like a kid in a sweet shop, buys some good, some awful players.

[LeChuck]

Hodgsons managerial CV puts Allardyces to shame on ever level for me, old fat head should have a little more respect than to bad mouth another premiership managers record and England credentials.

I'm sick the back teeth or hearing him talking himself up or hammering other managers, and nows he's slagging us off for buying the league in 95.

"slagging us off" ???

I admit he should stay away from the media with his comments sometimes, but that's a very childish take on it.

[ABBEY]

ZZZAMS style is boring ,negative and will kill the great game. He's a self centered ,big headed arrogant know it all who when we win its down to him and when we lose its ANYONE but him. He manages like he played...rough no skill 70s style hit and hope.

[Gav]

"slagging us off" ???

I admit he should stay away from the media with his comments sometimes, but that's a very childish take on it.

We have enough detractors without our own manager weighing in with his wide of the marks comments on our achievement in 95.

Saying we bought the title is slagging us of in my opinion, and disrespectful to a real manager, Kenny Daglish.

[47er]

Hodgsons managerial CV puts Allardyces to shame on ever level for me, old fat head should have a little more respect than to bad mouth another premiership managers record and England credentials.

I'm sick the back teeth or hearing him talking himself up or hammering other managers, and nows he's slagging us off for buying the league in 95.

I know how you feel Gav cos I feel the same when I read your posts. Any excuse will do. Over-hyped, full of bile. repetitive, predictable etc. You hated him before he came, he'll never do anything right in your view and, despite taking us to 10th, with the least financial support any manager has had since we first made the Premiership, you'd sack him tomorrow. Same goes for Abbey and a few others. Pathetic.

[SouthAussieRover]

I wasn't talking about you Don I was talking about Allardyce

Ah,get back on your ledge shorty

[Gav]

I know how you feel Gav cos I feel the same when I read your posts. Any excuse will do. Over-hyped, full of bile. repetitive, predictable etc. You hated him before he came, he'll never do anything right in your view and, despite taking us to 10th, with the least financial support any manager has had since we first made the Premiership, you'd sack him tomorrow. Same goes for Abbey and a few others. Pathetic.

Not going to bother 47er, education/brick and all that

Ah,get back on your ledge shorty

[Guest bluerovers]

Maybe when he said "Blackburn did it [bought the league]" maybe he was talking from the future after Syed bankrolls us back into the big time...

[AHoyle90]

Hodgson's much better than Allardyce. Can you see Fat Sam managing Inter and getting them through to the UEFA Cup Final <guffaw>.

Your appraisal is remarkably one-eyed. Hodgson wasn't a fashionable manager for a time, it's true. But he got Fulham through to the Europa final on a road that stretched back to July, so of course he wasn't going to get them really high up in the league, they didn't have a squad to sustain 60+ games. When he took them over they were certs for relegation, so you have to say he did a quality job there, put his name back in fashion (manager's names can go out of fashion, even when they're still decent) and copped the Liverpool job. Can you see fat lad getting that job? No.

Roy's been about, well-travelled, variety of jobs, sat on the FIFA technical committee, still well thought of at Inter, did a great job with Switzerland, very good at organising sides. Whereas potato helmet bogged up imperially at Newcastle.

As for Redknapp, he's a wheelking dealing wide boy who shouldn't be anywhere near the England job. Does OK when he's allowed to go mad on transfers like a kid in a sweet shop, buys some good, some awful players.

I truly think Redknapps the stand out candidate for the job, Sams style would do nothing at international level, Roys - fantastic achievements at Fulham don't get me wrong, but how much money did he spend? I just couldn't see him being the man to motivate the big ego's in the England squad, whereas I think Harry could get through to them.

Allardyce and Hodgson are pretty even to be honest, Yeah Hodgsons been at Inter but Sam has worked a couple of minor miracles in his career at us and Bolton, and even if you don't like the guy you have to admit that.

[ABBEY]

I know how you feel Gav cos I feel the same when I read your posts. Any excuse will do. Over-hyped, full of bile. repetitive, predictable etc. You hated him before he came, he'll never do anything right in your view and, despite taking us to 10th, with the least financial support any manager has had since we first made the Premiership, you'd sack him tomorrow. Same goes for Abbey and a few others. Pathetic.

so someone disagrees with you and we are pathetic , this is what is so wrong with this board these days ,if you dont kiss zzzzams ass or if your not a nickoteen your deemed pathetic. tell me were im wrong on what i said? 10th read back and i said i was happy with that you numpty,what im not happy is the fat slugs pathetic arrogence and how good he is and his pathetic brand of percentage hoof @#/?!

i am sorry i differ to you in my views i do pray for your forgiveness ,oh mighty one.

[MarkBRFC71]

I truly think Redknapps the stand out candidate for the job, Sams style would do nothing at international level, Roys - fantastic achievements at Fulham don't get me wrong, but how much money did he spend? I just couldn't see him being the man to motivate the big ego's in the England squad, whereas I think Harry could get through to them.

Allardyce and Hodgson are pretty even to be honest, Yeah Hodgsons been at Inter but Sam has worked a couple of minor miracles in his career at us and Bolton, and even if you don't like the guy you have to admit that.

In Hodgson's favour he has a lot of International management experience. Add to that he was relatively successful at a big club (Inter) and I'd say he was way ahead of Allardyce. Harry's too much of a wide-boy.

If the FA are adamant that the next manager is going to be English then Hodgson's a shoe-in for me if he as long as he's not a total disaster at Liverpool.

However, the best man for the job? Arsene Wenger IMO. Knows the league, knows the players, his team ethos is about keeping the ball (vital at international level) and he's proven to be superb at developing and nurturing younger players. Wouldn't have thought either the FA would go for him or Arsenal would let him leave though.

[broadsword]

Allardyce and Hodgson are pretty even to be honest, Yeah Hodgsons been at Inter but Sam has worked a couple of minor miracles in his career at us and Bolton, and even if you don't like the guy you have to admit that.

Yep, can't deny that ... does it make him a good choice to manage England? Not on your nelly, mate. Hodgson is streets and streets ahead of Allardyce, who's only ever been successful with shoestring budgets at unfashionable clubs.