[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[Parsonblue]

We have enough detractors without our own manager weighing in with his wide of the marks comments on our achievement in 95.

Saying we bought the title is slagging us of in my opinion, and disrespectful to a real manager, Kenny Daglish.

Are you actually saying that without Jack's money, without Shearer, Sutton, Sherwood, Flowers, Berg, Hendry, Le Saux, etc. we would have won the League? All Sam said was that to win the League you need money to buy the players and good management and coaching to get them to play as a team. That's exactly how we won the League in 94-95.

[ABBEY]

EVERY team pays players .so EVERY team in every league tries and buys success

[thenodrog]

We smashed the British transfer record TWICE, Shearer £3.6 million and Sutton £5 million, how many of our players were youth players and how many were 'poached' from other clubs? The difference is now foreign players are common in the PL whereas previously they were not. £25 million in three years in the early 90's is a ridiculous amount of money.

What a load of absolute bolloxx imy. We spent £30m and in the following seasons sold them on for at least twice that amount!

Somebody posted the excellent link below recently and it shows that our entire time in the Prem has left our balance sheet on transfers down to the paltry tune of £10m in purchasing players. See if you can spot what the other Prem champions have spent to do the same. When you've done that then see what some clubs have spent to win sweet FA!

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/

It's bad enough other clubs fans state with an authority based solely on ignorance that we bought our success but it really is pisspoor when our own fans do the same!

Allardyce kept us up last season.

Therefore Allardyce is a saviour.

Those who disagree are pissants who are full of their own self importance.

Fack off and join Waggy at his boozer.

Not often I agree with you is it?

ZZZAMS style is boring ,negative and will kill the great game. He's a self centered ,big headed arrogant know it all who when we win its down to him and when we lose its ANYONE but him. He manages like he played...rough no skill 70s style hit and hope.

Yet for all that abbey you have to admit that he's got the players playing with a real team spirit.

He isn't perfect in his ways but we would be very very hard pushed to find anyone any better. And I don't even want to try it after that last bloody disaster.

[thenodrog]

As for Redknapp, he's a wheelking dealing wide boy who shouldn't be anywhere near the England job. Does OK when he's allowed to go mad on transfers like a kid in a sweet shop, buys some good, some awful players.

If the taxman has his way Arry might be sewing mailbags by 2012!

[imy9]

so we sold the players for large sums of money, what had that got to do with the point that we spent huge amounts of money to win the league, looking at the squad how many players were NOT purchased in the years walker took charge before we won the title?

Difference between us and man city is that we purchased the right players who gave us balance, to a certain agree like chelsea.

this is my opinion.

[Amo]

I love how, just because Sam has done a good job here, it's therefore unacceptable to challenge him or his opinion, even when it's unrelated to his football decisions. His arrogance and self-publicising does rub people up the wrong way and I take affront to the 'buying the title' remark. Man. City have vastly outspent their rivals this summer. Did we? Man. Utd spent more than us in the title-winning season, so no, we didn't. As I said, it's an ugly turn of phrase that intimates Rovers bankrolling a team of all-stars to lift the trophy, when that wasn't the case.

[thenodrog]

..... Hodgson is streets and streets ahead of Allardyce, who's only ever been successful with shoestring budgets at unfashionable clubs.

What??? That is my definition of a proper manager!

How do you think the likes of Mancini or SGE or Houllier or Benitez etc etc would fare on our budget? Even Arry too. They'd have no bloody chance whatsoever imo.

People keep falling back on how Allardyce failed at NUFC when he got his big chance at a wealthy club but so did Mark Hughes and who thinks he's a bad manager? Certainly not me.

[1864roverite]

They dont do that anymore tND, health and safety issues, cant have criminals pricking their thieving fingers with needles can we ?

[RovertheHill]

Somebody posted the excellent link below recently and it shows that our entire time in the Prem has left our balance sheet on transfers down to the paltry tune of £10m in purchasing players. See if you can spot what the other Prem champions have spent to do the same. When you've done that then see what some clubs have spent to win sweet FA!

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/

The totals in those tables are actually sickening. Too much money. Way too much money

[Dan]

If Sam got the England job there would be an uproar. He has such a bad reputation(as Rovers have now) for his hoof ball tactics. Football is about entertainment as well as results and as I heard someone once say about Bolton "If they played in my garden, I'd shut the curtains" .

[rebelmswar]

Interestingly, in thenos table there we can see of Mr. Ali manages the take over he will give Sam more than half the amount of money we have spent on players since 92.

[broadsword]

What??? That is my definition of a proper manager!

How do you think the likes of Mancini or SGE or Houllier or Benitez etc etc would fare on our budget? Even Arry too. They'd have no bloody chance whatsoever imo.

People keep falling back on how Allardyce failed at NUFC when he got his big chance at a wealthy club but so did Mark Hughes and who thinks he's a bad manager? Certainly not me.

Mark Hughes started off working wonders with Wales. I think Man City were fourth when they (disgracefully) binned him. But in any case, he's already had international management experience. Whereas Sam hasn't and I think Newcastle binned him after he played for a draw against Derby. He spent a fair bit up there on a motley selection of signings, I don't think you can equate his experience with that of Hughes.

Sam did a great job at Bolton, and has worked wonders at Blackburn, but I don't think his skill set is transferrable to the larger jobs. Hughes went about the job at Ewood in a different way (with more money) and got head-hunted.

Allardyce in the England dug-out? Nah, don't think it would work. Egypt, or Viet Nam, or France maybe. ;-)

[des]

I think that sometimes all managers speak too much the game is about the players

[rebelmswar]

I think that sometimes all managers speak too much the game is about the players

The game is about the fans.

[Parsonblue]

It's bad enough other clubs fans state with an authority based solely on ignorance that we bought our success but it really is pisspoor when our own fans do the same!

I really don't understand the arguement that we didn't buy our success. Without Jack's money we wouldn't have made it into the Premier League, let alone win it. How many of the title winning squad came through the youth ranks at Ewood and how many were bought? Every team who wants to win something goes out and buys better players. Jack provided Kenny and Ray with the finance to build a title winning squad. However, having bought the players, it was their skill and know how which turned them into a title winning team. Which is what Sam said yesterday. That money and good managment and coaching can win titles. I would have thought that was something that was obvious. I really do believe that we are far too sensitive about the contribution that Jack's money made to our success. It provided me with my best season in 50 years of following the Rovers - although I live in hope that it might be repeated at some point. I for one, was and am very happy that Jack opted to spend his money to allow Kenny and Ray to build a highly successful team.

[47er]

so someone disagrees with you and we are pathetic , this is what is so wrong with this board these days ,if you dont kiss zzzzams ass or if your not a nickoteen your deemed pathetic. tell me were im wrong on what i said? 10th read back and i said i was happy with that you numpty,what im not happy is the fat slugs pathetic arrogence and how good he is and his pathetic brand of percentage hoof @#/?!

i am sorry i differ to you in my views i do pray for your forgiveness ,oh mighty one.

I'm all for opinions, all you have is a prejudice. You just want to slag him off. Boards no different than it used to be, you've certainly never changed your style have you?

The team that spent nothing in the transfer window took on the team that spent most of it and we drew---------at their ground! That was due in no small measure to the organisation of the team, the players we have acquired on a tiny budget, the fitness of the team, the organisation of the team) and the spirit engendered within it.

Surely the manager deserves a great deal of credit for that? To write him off with the numpty insults in the way you and Gav and Waggy continually do does you no credit. And "yes" you have the right to express your "opinions" but don't get all shocked if I respond.

Sorry to differ from you in my views and all that.

[Bobby G]

Deserves credit.

People may not like his character, but as a manager he has done a sterling job for our club. Our passing game has come leaps and bounds too. Excellent result yesterday and a very good performance. We looked good on the break too.

[Gav]

Are you actually saying that without Jack's money, without Shearer, Sutton, Sherwood, Flowers, Berg, Hendry, Le Saux, etc. we would have won the League? All Sam said was that to win the League you need money to buy the players and good management and coaching to get them to play as a team. That's exactly how we won the League in 94-95.

You can't buy the league Parsonblue - money helps granted, but ask Wolves, Newcastle, Derby, Man City and Liverpool if you can buy the league, all have had millions thrown at them, with not a league title in sight.

Allardyce needs to keep his big mouth shut, he's embarrassing at times with his self promotion and rants at other managers.

[Gav]

I'm all for opinions, all you have is a prejudice. You just want to slag him off. Boards no different than it used to be, you've certainly never changed your style have you?

The team that spent nothing in the transfer window took on the team that spent most of it and we drew---------at their ground! That was due in no small measure to the organisation of the team, the players we have acquired on a tiny budget, the fitness of the team, the organisation of the team) and the spirit engendered within it.

Surely the manager deserves a great deal of credit for that? To write him off with the numpty insults in the way you and Gav and Waggy continually do does you no credit. And "yes" you have the right to express your "opinions" but don't get all shocked if I respond.

Sorry to differ from you in my views and all that.

How would you know how this board used to be? You’ve not been around long enough to know….

I don’t like Allardyce, but I don’t spend my time on here slagging him off without reason, quite the opposite, he’s done a great job in terms of results and his transfer dealings have been 1st class. These facts are regularly trawled out by myself, but you and the rest of your little cliché prefer to ignore such comments.

Also calling someone pathetic for having an alternative view is a little like me calling you thick for the same reason, but I’ll be sure not to do that 47er

[92er]

Personally, I can't see what Sam said that is so offensive. He basically said that if you have the money to buy good players coupled with a good management team you are able to win the League. Jack provided the funds, Kenny's astute eye for a player enabled him to sign a crop of outstanding young players and the coaching ability of Ray Harford turned them into a winning unit. Does anybody seriously suggest that without Jack's money we would have won the League? The nearest I saw the club come to it was in 1963-64 when we were in a challenging position until Everton came along - at the crucial point in the season - with a cheque for £80,000 and we waved goodbye to Fred Pickering and any chance of winning the title.

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The idea of our buying the league always conjures the image of our out- spending all the other teams to win the league.

It takes no account of a player coming through the youth system.

It takes no account of signing a player on a free.

It takes no account of buying a player who was then playing reserve football.

In other words it's an easy cheap shot to make a club in an area of the country where everybody wears flat caps,keeps greyhounds and eats Hovis.

It's the kind of comment that is made by people, usually, who know little about the club and have little interest in it.

Of course, it would have been impossible without Uncle Jack's money, but it was used very sensibly, unlike so many other clubs before and after.

[Parsonblue]

Of course, it would have been impossible without Uncle Jack's money, but it was used very sensibly, unlike so many other clubs before and after.

And that is exactly what Sam was saying. With money behind them, a good management team - like Kenny and Ray - could build a squad that was capable of winning the League. However, without the finances to sign Shearer, Sutton, Sherwood, Flowers etc. the management team, no matter how good, couldn't have built a team capable of winning the League.

You can't buy the league Parsonblue - money helps granted, but ask Wolves, Newcastle, Derby, Man City and Liverpool if you can buy the league, all have had millions thrown at them, with not a league title in sight.

Allardyce needs to keep his big mouth shut, he's embarrassing at times with his self promotion and rants at other managers.

I still don't see what you are saying that Sam got wrong. He said that money TOGETHER with a good management team can enable you to win the League. He merely pointed out that this is how we achieved it and how every other team who have won the Premier League have achieved it. Somehow, I think if Mark Hughes had said it you wouldn't be quite so sensitive about it but somehow it's become another stick with which to beat an individual that you don't like.

I would agree, Sam is not the best manager that the club has ever had but he is far from the worst and on this occasion I think he was pretty accurate in what he was saying.

[92er]

And that is exactly what Sam was saying. With money behind them, a good management team - like Kenny and Ray - could build a squad that was capable of winning the League. However, without the finances to sign Shearer, Sutton, Sherwood, Flowers etc. the management team, no matter how good, couldn't have built a team capable of winning the League.

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"Anybody can buy a league-Blackburn have proved that" is pretty much the quote from Ozzie jones's posting yesterday.

Personally that is the kind of quote I would expect from a source unconnected with the club and not the current manager.

Is it an overly sensitive reaction? Perhaps so, but it's not the kind of expression I would expect from a current manager at my club.

Perhaps it's another example of his not realising the impact of his words?

[Gav]

Somehow, I think if Mark Hughes had said it you wouldn't be quite so sensitive about it but somehow it's become another stick with which to beat an individual that you don't like.

Not at all Parsonblue, if Hughes would have said ""Anybody can buy a league-Blackburn have proved that" I'd have been equally as scathing.

The media are already full of hate towards the club without the current manager weighing in with such ill thought out cr@p. This is exactly the same sort of stuff he used to come out with when he was at Bolton just before we played them, and it was till cr@p.

"Anybody can buy a league-Blackburn have proved that" is pretty much the quote from Ozzie jones's posting yesterday.

Personally that is the kind of quote I would expect from a source unconnected with the club and not the current manager.

Is it an overly sensitive reaction? Perhaps so, but it's not the kind of expression I would expect from a current manager at my club.

Perhaps it's another example of his not realising the impact of his words?

Amen

[Parsonblue]

"Anybody can buy a league-Blackburn have proved that" is pretty much the quote from Ozzie jones's posting yesterday.

Personally that is the kind of quote I would expect from a source unconnected with the club and not the current manager.

Is it an overly sensitive reaction? Perhaps so, but it's not the kind of expression I would expect from a current manager at my club.

Perhaps it's another example of his not realising the impact of his words?

The actual quote is factually correct. Anyone can buy the League as long as they have three things:

The funds available - which we had thanks to Jack; a good management team - which we had thanks to Kenny and Ray; and, of course, a slice of luck during the season with injuries, suspensions and the bounce of the ball.

If the money was not important why didn't we win the League before Jack got involved? The only other two times that we won the League we were bankrolled by a local benefactor. Ultimately, it was Jack Walker who changed the club with his willingness to spend his fortune to rebuild Ewood Park, to attract a top management team and then attract top players. Without his money we wouldn't have two state of the art training facilities at Brockhall.

With regard to Gav's accusation about the media, is it just a media conspiracy that suggests that we, like Chelsea, United and Arsenal 'bought' our title? When you consider that we broke the British transfer record twice - to sign Shearer and Sutton and also created a new World record fee for a goalkeeper - in signing Flowers - I'm not quite sure how what Sam said is incorrect.

It would appear that it's not the fact that what he said is accurate it's just that it doesn't fit in with the myth that the Rovers won the title differently from every other club.

To pick up Gav's point, I would agree that Sam continually attacked the Rovers during his stint at Bolton. Nothing wrong with that as we were local rivals. Now, when he is the Rovers' manager, he gives an answer which is factually accurate but one which we don't want him to talk about for some reason. Would we expect him to say that money isn't important in winning the League? Would we expect him to say that Jack's financial power had no impact on our club?

I don't know about him not knowing about the impact of his words but I will accept that he is perhaps not tuned into the particular sensitivities of Rovers' supporters with regard to accusations of "buying the title". However, can we really blame him for not being aware of our sensitivities with regard to our title win. I assume he would feel supporters would be highly delighted that the club used Jack's financial might to help win a title. Personally, I have no problem with our manager merely stating that we won the title in the same way as every other club has done because ultimately, thanks to Jack, that's exactly what we did. .

[Stuart]

It's the old sensitivities around the fact that whenever someone says "bought the league" someone else says Blackburn.

It's mostly borne out of jealousy in that we are the most successful town club. But it'd be nice if it could be acknowledged that Chelsea bought the title too, as a for instance.

It all just fuels the conspiracy theories and North-South divide. I wonder though if City will be accused of the same when they eventually win it? Although they are a "big club" so probably not...

On topic, maybe Big Sam is a little jealous that he'll never win the title. Must be a pain passing those framed pictures every day.

All notwithstanding the fact that he shouldn't have said it.