[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[broadsword]

Do you get irony?

[Hughesy]

Do you get irony?

Yeah ok - claim what you want!

[broadsword]

OK mate, I give in, you're far too Potemkin, sorry I mean, clever, for me.

PS - when are you getting off this thread_

[S15]

I like Allardyce, but I'm not going to force my opinions on people as I think most are set in their ways one way or another.

However, the one thing a I would say is every season since we've been promoted has started badly, and people have always talked of the 'battle for survival' in mid September.

How many have actually ended in those battles since we came back up?

[Tooogs]

I have a season ticket. I go to every home game and as many away games as i can afford. Never do i feel like i'm there supporting Big Sam. I'm a Blackburn Rovers supporter and I don't like Sam Allardyce one bit. Is that allowed? We pay our money and are entitled to have our say. I wish it was as easy as just not turning up on a match day but i love this club and will always show my support.

I don't like the way we play. It's so void of any kind of creativity and in many cases i feel ripped of even though my season ticket costs a mere £200. You can't tell me Sam hasn't had the chance to sign a creative midfielder along with a couple of pacey wingers and maybe even a decent striker partner for Kalinic up top?

I know the club has had to repay debts and balance the books etc... even lower the wage bill. However, the point is (and one you can't avoid) that he added Michel Salgado's excessive wages to the club after already signing Pascal Chimbonda, presumeably on a decent wage himself, a player who plays in the same postion... not to mention Lars Jacobsen. He rewards Keith Andrews with a new contract for what? Playing well? That can't be... he was one year into the deal of his life... and boom it suddenly got even better.

If we do get taken over then i for one want a new man in. Say what you like... I can't stand the way we play. Also, there are managers out there. It's not just a case of getting someone in whose managed in the premier league, after all theres a reason they aren't still managing now. I would like to see a forward thinking foreign coach to come in and get the ball on the deck. I can't remember us ever having a foreign manager (none British) in my lifetime anyway.

In fact...

1981–1986 Bobby Saxton

1987–1991 Don Mackay

1991–1995 Kenny Dalglish

1995–1996 Ray Harford

1997–1998 Roy Hodgson

1998–1999 Brian Kidd

2000–2004 Graeme Souness

2004–2008 Mark Hughes

2008 Paul Ince

2008– Sam Allardyce

No we haven't.

[MarkBRFC71]

Woo hoo - here goes....this thread should be fun for the next few days.....AVOID!

Is that you putting your fingers in your ears, shouting 'LALALALALA' and thinking of your happy place?

Dude, people are allowed to criticise the manager, and with every passing week it's getting more and more justified. Me? I'm gonna wait til Saturday's game.

[Gav]

I like Allardyce, but I'm not going to force my opinions on people

:lol:

[S15]

:lol:

I knew you'd like that.

[47er]

He's on talksport tomorrow saying how good he is ! WILL THE BOARd please tell him to STFU!

I think that's a first! Abbey is criticising Sam for what he's going to say tomorrow!!

[roversmum]

We went through all this and far worse halfway through last season and we finished in storming fashion. The problem you've got if you go this route is to find a new manager who is available, affordable and GUARANTEED to keep us up. I think this would be a

real problem. For example I'd reckon Owen Coyle would fulfil 2 of those 3 criteria but he isn't available (unless Nicko knows different!) The real danger is getting someone who is available, is affordable but can't keep a poorish squad up.

Only if he's banned from wearing shorts on matchday. a) he's not actually playing, he's the manager, and b ) his legs are worse than mine and I wouldn't inflict my legs on anyone.

[Steve Moss]

He rewards Keith Andrews with a new contract for what? Playing well? That can't be... he was one year into the deal of his life... and boom it suddenly got even better.

I believe Keith is on record as saying that was JW's doing, based on a promise he made at the time Keith signed.

[ABBEY]

47 before having a go its recorded and they played some of it..marmite.

[gumboots]

I have a season ticket. I go to every home game and as many away games as i can afford. Never do i feel like i'm there supporting Big Sam. I'm a Blackburn Rovers supporter and I don't like Sam Allardyce one bit. Is that allowed? We pay our money and are entitled to have our say. I wish it was as easy as just not turning up on a match day but i love this club and will always show my support.

I don't like the way we play. It's so void of any kind of creativity and in many cases i feel ripped off even though my season ticket costs a mere £200.=

I agree with this and am hearing increasing numbers of fans around school saying exactly the same. We put up with allardyce when we really needed to get points on the board. We've given him credit for getting us to tenth last season. Why are we now not allowed to voice any criticism of our style of play, of the fact that we get into a position to win a game and then sit back so deep that we are bound to concede to any team that actually possesses a midfield capable of stringing more than 2 passes together and a striker who can score occasionally? If the manager is not to blame for the way the players play, then who is? Players take responsibility for their own performance, for not putting in the required effort, for not carrying out instructions, but I don't think we can blame our players for those things. Much of the blame for the poor play we see has to belong to a manager who is unwilling to recognise it and who has so many defending him on here, a forum where we should all be able to let off steam and vent our frustrations, that to voice dissent is tantamount to heresy.

[Parsonblue]

Players take responsibility for their own performance, for not putting in the required effort, for not carrying out instructions, but I don't think we can blame our players for those things. Much of the blame for the poor play we see has to belong to a manager who is unwilling to recognise it and who has so many defending him on here, a forum where we should all be able to let off steam and vent our frustrations, that to voice dissent is tantamount to heresy.

Do I assume you believe that it was the players who turned in the brilliant first half performance because they ignored the manager's instructions. But in the second half they followed his instructions and were therefore shocking as a result. The players I was watching last night were the same at the start of the second half as those that had dominated the first. The difference was that Villa upped their game and our players found it difficult to live with them.

I'm not sure how the manager can be blamed for Emerton losing his footing in front of goal with an empty net in front of him. Is it the manager's fault that the right side of midfield and defence went missing on the first goal and that the goalkeeper got his angles all wrong and gave Heskey three quarters of the goal to aim at? Is it the manager's fault that we failed to do the simple things like passing and marking - which we had done brilliantly in the first half? Was Samba following the manager's instructions when he was caught - like the rest of his fellow defenders - ball watching for the third goal?

Ultimately, players must take responsibility for some of this and last night they simply switched off in the second half. When Villa upped their game and became a little more direct at getting at our back four our players began to panic. The pass and move play of the first half disappeared as they struggled to find space.

At the end of the day the players should be able to hold on to a single goal lead far better than they are doing at the moment.

Of course people can dislike the manager but lets be honest, the manager doesn't have a chance with a section of our support. The facebook brigade who didn't want him are never going to give the guy credit - how often have we heard on these boards that anyone could have saved us after Ince. Unfortunately, the fact that Sam is so disliked means the players now have a shield to hide behind when they turn in the type of performance that they did in the second half last night.

[Tooogs]

Parsonblue, do you go to games?

[47er]

47 before having a go its recorded and they played some of it..marmite.

LOL! Hope you've objectively assessed what the "fat Bolton slug" had to say!

[Parsonblue]

Parsonblue, do you go to games?

I go to every game - home and away.

[47er]

I agree with this and am hearing increasing numbers of fans around school saying exactly the same. We put up with allardyce when we really needed to get points on the board. We've given him credit for getting us to tenth last season. Why are we now not allowed to voice any criticism of our style of play, of the fact that we get into a position to win a game and then sit back so deep that we are bound to concede to any team that actually possesses a midfield capable of stringing more than 2 passes together and a striker who can score occasionally? If the manager is not to blame for the way the players play, then who is? Players take responsibility for their own performance, for not putting in the required effort, for not carrying out instructions, but I don't think we can blame our players for those things. Much of the blame for the poor play we see has to belong to a manager who is unwilling to recognise it and who has so many defending him on here, a forum where we should all be able to let off steam and vent our frustrations, that to voice dissent is tantamount to heresy.

That's almost hysterical Gumboots and most unlike you. Anyone can come on here and say exactly what they like but they can't expect to control how others respond because they have the same rights as you! Nobody thinks Sam is perfect or above criticism but we shouldn't forget that a fair few on here wanted Ince to be given more time and wanted Allardyce over their dead bodies.

Personally I don't think we'll amount to much whatever manager we have till a takeover goes through.If Sam isn't good enough then he'll have to go.

[ROVERS]

the bottomline is........ who actually really like the way we are playing now?

is the argument going to be relegation if we actually play some decent football? are our players so incapable in keeping the ball on the ground and keeping posession?

its ridiculous for people to release Sam of blames or failing to see the situation we are currently in.

the best comparism would be Mark hughes vs Big Sam. Hughes was capable in keeping as many clean sheets as Sam + not dishing out such negative football + almost a comparable transfer budget to work on. To add on...... many of mark hughes players are still in our starting 11.... so do they suddenly forgot how to string passes between themselves overnight, or is it under the orders of the management to just hoof it up at first sight?

PS: if our manager showed no confidence in playing positively because of the squad he has, then just where are the confidence going to come from for the players?

[Parsonblue]

the bottomline is........ who actually really like the way we are playing now?

is the argument going to be relegation if we actually play some decent football? are our players so incapable in keeping the ball on the ground and keeping posession?

its ridiculous for people to release Sam of blames or failing to see the situation we are currently in.

the best comparism would be Mark hughes vs Big Sam. Hughes was capable in keeping as many clean sheets as Sam + not dishing out such negative football + almost a comparable transfer budget to work on. To add on...... many of mark hughes players are still in our starting 11.... so do they suddenly forgot how to string passes between themselves overnight, or is it under the orders of the management to just hoof it up at first sight?

PS: if our manager showed no confidence in playing positively because of the squad he has, then just where are the confidence going to come from for the players?

I totally agree with regard to Mark Hughes. He was I manager who I thought was extremely impressive in everyway. However, the bottom line was that he was ambitious and frustrated by the lack of funds. He realised that it was an impossible task trying to chase European qualification on a limited budget.

When Hughes left, I must admit that I wanted Sam as his replacement because of what he had achieved at Bolton. Until the club gets some serious investment we will always be looking at survival as our first objective - indeed, I would argue that we are one of many Premier League clubs who begin the season with survial as the first priority and then build from the point that the forty point mark is reached. In those circumstances then Sam is probably as safe a pair of hands as its possible to get given our financial situation at the moment.

I'm not suggesting that Sam is the perfect manager but at the moment, in our position, he is not the worst we could have. He has a proven track record of working with limited finances in this division. I would agree that the football is not the best but, lets be honest, everybody knew before he was appointed that Sam worked in a particular way. Clearly the powers that be at Ewood Park were happy to to adopt that style if it ensured Premier League survival.

Obviously a new owner may want to change things but that would depend on who the new owner was and in what direction they wanted to take the club. At the moment those are questions which we have no way of knowing the answers.

[Mozzer]

i actually love the fact that after a bad result you always know what your getting on this messageboard "sam allardyce aint good enough", "his football is terrible" etc etc OMG WE ARE BLACKBURN ROVERS , WE HARDLY HAVE ANY MONEY TO PLAY WITH AND ALLARDYCE IS DOING A GREAT JOB FOR US - STOP EXPECTING US TO WIN EVERY SINGLE GAME - IT WONT HAPPEN

ITS A GOOD JOB IM REALISTIC ABOUT MY TEAM -MAYBE OTHERS SHOULD LEARN TO BE ASWELL AND STOP EXPECTING THINGS THAT WE AINT

[47er]

the bottomline is........ who actually really like the way we are playing now?

is the argument going to be relegation if we actually play some decent football? are our players so incapable in keeping the ball on the ground and keeping posession?

its ridiculous for people to release Sam of blames or failing to see the situation we are currently in.

the best comparism would be Mark hughes vs Big Sam. Hughes was capable in keeping as many clean sheets as Sam + not dishing out such negative football + almost a comparable transfer budget to work on. To add on...... many of mark hughes players are still in our starting 11.... so do they suddenly forgot how to string passes between themselves overnight, or is it under the orders of the management to just hoof it up at first sight?

PS: if our manager showed no confidence in playing positively because of the squad he has, then just where are the confidence going to come from for the players?

So Hughes had "almost" a comparable budget to Allardyce? That's an admission on your part even if its an understatement.

PS In which season did Hughes get no transfer money at all?

[Iceman]

part of the problem is the players and part of it, is down to the manager. The players are not putting the required shift in, and by the looks of it, Sam aint doing a thing to motivate them. At the end of the day, the players are responsible for the poor performances, and Sam is responsible for the players who are performing poorly.

Grella has been out of the game, in no way should he feature ahead of Nzonzi( i know what Sam said about Nzonzi, but purely based on ability, Grella shouldnt be ahead of him). Jones is not a midfielder, he should not play him out of his preferred position. He is young, if he has to sit on the bench, then fine so be it.

We lost because Villa changed the shape of their team? Get real please, if they changed, then Sam and his assistants should have countered that change. Too many lame excuses, followed by more lame excuses.

I like Sam as a manager, but he is making himself and the club look like a right tit, by constantly selling himself to the media with rubbish talk. Concentrate on getting the basics right, we are looking worse than a schoolboy team at the moment. We had a good result against City, Everton, Arsenal and Birmingham, but dont let those results fool you, as their will still more negatives than positives.

there are issues that need to be rectified, players who need a kick up the back side, and there needs to be a bit more motivation from the players and management.

[Tooogs]

At the end f the day I just want to see my team pass the ball about a bit and score a few goals. Hardly asking much is it?

[92er]

So Hughes had "almost" a comparable budget to Allardyce? That's an admission on your part even if its an understatement.

PS In which season did Hughes get no transfer money at all?

Nicko has stated Allardyce had some money this close season-just not enough to buy his targets.

Hughes never had the amount of money to spend that Allardyce had last season.