[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[greco]

Sam's celebration to Emerton's winner today was hilarious! The drunk cowboy. I could watch that on repeat.

do you know it can be seen mate.?

[Yorick]

In Sam's pre-match Blackpool comments, he stated a relegation battle should not be a concern for us this season - he said due to the ability/confidence in the squad, and development, our sights should be higher. He said there is always the possiblity we could get dragged into a scrap.

Very early days, however our away form seems to be a slight improvment so far, taking into account we should have got more out of the Birmingham game.

As I said early days still and best to judge things, more accurately, after a few more games - looking ahead, I do worry if we are to suffer a few injuries, it would leave us quite stretched in certain areas.

Too right we could . I'm nervous because I am seeing a lot of improved teams this year. Blackpool will go down. I think possibly Wigan too, but the rest look much stronger than last year. If we don't bring in one or two good players at Christmas we could easily be in deep trouble by May.

[Guest bluerovers]

Goals are eligible whatever point in the 90 minutes they are scored.

Your argument is meaningless, we won, end of.

And I'm the one with contextual comprehension problems?

[S15]

And I'm the one with contextual comprehension problems?

If you want to sit and discuss the ifs and buts of every game we've played this season you could manipulate events to suggest we should be top, or bottom, or wherever suits your agenda.

Yesterday we won a tricky away game in the last minute. No doubt we'll lose points in the last minute too. No doubt when we do you'll be here pouting out that Allardyce and the team deserve to be two points better off and higher in the table .

And yes, as everyone saw in your last little debacle, you have absolutely no grasp of context.

[John]

Not just under Sam, and I accept it, we've not had any "investment" for years.

Our playing squad is average and we simply rely on top class coaching and management....of course though, no doubt, we should be playing more champange football and getting results that's the statement from the board of directors

[Guest bluerovers]

If you want to sit and discuss the ifs and buts of every game we've played this season you could manipulate events to suggest we should be top, or bottom, or wherever suits your agenda.

Yesterday we won a tricky away game in the last minute. No doubt we'll lose points in the last minute too. No doubt when we do you'll be here pouting out that Allardyce and the team deserve to be two points better off and higher in the table .

And yes, as everyone saw in your last little debacle, you have absolutely no grasp of context.

Hang on, you quite rightly pulled me up last time for not reading the conversation properly and missing even the quote you had responded to and you have just done exactly the same thing. If you had bothered to read tony gale mic's post (which I quoted) you would see it read...

"Even now we're 8th, if we add on a point at Birmingham and two points vs Fulham (ie if we didn't have this problem) we'd be 5th level on points with City with 11 points from 6 games after playing a fairly representative cross section of the league so far."

So, my reply of....

"Yeah and if Emo hadn't scored a last gasp winner yesterday we'd have been 14th, below Bolton, one place above Liverpool and just 2 points above the relegation zone."

..was pretty much akin to the saying "And if my aunt had b*****ks she'd be my uncle" but you seem to have missed that. I was going to write a few extra lines about how making "if" statements at this embryonic stage like TGM was doing (the bit you missed) was silly because of how much effect it could have; but I thought my point was obvious from my example.

Even a 'blind man on a galloping horse' could see what I meant

[47er]

Yeah and if Emo hadn't scored a last gasp winner yesterday we'd have been 14th, below Bolton, one place above Liverpool and just 2 points above the relegation zone.

There's a regular pattern on this noticeboard. When we lose its the manager's fault--tactics, selections, subs whatever. When we win its not down to the manager at all---its just good luck! It started, let me think......about when Sam was appointed!

[Guest bluerovers]

Oh Jesus, I've edited my post to SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU

[John]

There's a regular pattern on this noticeboard. When we lose its the manager's fault--tactics, selections, subs whatever. When we win its not down to the manager at all---its just good luck! It started, let me think......about when Sam was appointed!

We should be doing much, much better though according to some - we've got a god given right to turn up and just win matches.

The personal hatred of the manager should never colour the love of the club, but sadly it does for too many people.

[S15]

Hang on, you quite rightly pulled me up last time for not reading the conversation properly and missing even the quote you had responded to and you have just done exactly the same thing. If you had bothered to read tony gale mic's post (which I quoted) you would see it read...

"Even now we're 8th, if we add on a point at Birmingham and two points vs Fulham (ie if we didn't have this problem) we'd be 5th level on points with City with 11 points from 6 games after playing a fairly representative cross section of the league so far."

So, my reply of....

"Yeah and if Emo hadn't scored a last gasp winner yesterday we'd have been 14th, below Bolton, one place above Liverpool and just 2 points above the relegation zone."

..was pretty much akin to the saying "And if my aunt had b*****ks she'd be my uncle" but you seem to have missed that. I was going to write a few extra lines about how making "if" statements at this embryonic stage like TGM was doing (the bit you missed) was silly because of how much effect it could have; but I thought my point was obvious from my example.

Even a 'blind man on a galloping horse' could see what I meant

No you're right, I didn't read TGM's post.

That's the difference, you did read mine and completely and utterly missed the point.

[Guest bluerovers]

No you're right, I didn't read TGM's post.

That's the difference, you did read mine and completely and utterly missed the point.

Actually I didn't read the one you'd quoted either (otherwise i wouldn't have made the mistake I did) but I can see you're desperate to be better than me so whatever you win

[S15]

Actually I didn't read the one you'd quoted either (otherwise i wouldn't have made the mistake I did) but I can see you're desperate to be better than me so whatever you win

You're right. I'm determined to be better than you.

[adopted scouser]

Will you two get a room ? And Shillito stop 'pouting' at people. you'll hurt your lips.

[47er]

No you're right, I didn't read TGM's post.

That's the difference, you did read mine and completely and utterly missed the point.

Got to admit I didn't read it either!!

[S15]

Will you two get a room ? And Shillito stop 'pouting' at people. you'll hurt your lips.

As long as my nails are okay.

[MarkBRFC71]

There's a regular pattern on this noticeboard. When we lose its the manager's fault--tactics, selections, subs whatever. When we win its not down to the manager at all---its just good luck! It started, let me think......about when Sam was appointed!

Depends on who you ask. There are some who are of the opinion that when we lose it's the players fault, and when we win it's because Sam's a tactical genius the likes of which Britain hasn't seen since Horatio Nelson.

The personal hatred of the manager should never colour the love of the club, but sadly it does for too many people.

And the desire to be seen as the ultimate fan seems to prevent some people from seeing the manager's obvious faults and glaring errors through their blue 'n' white specs. Swings and roundabouts.

I love Rovers, but cannot wait for the takeover to go through and hopefully see the back of Allardyce. That opinion doesn't make me less of a Rovers fan than the next man.

[joey_big_nose]

And the desire to be seen as the ultimate fan seems to prevent some people from seeing the manager's obvious faults and glaring errors through their blue 'n' white specs. Swings and roundabouts.

I love Rovers, but cannot wait for the takeover to go through and hopefully see the back of Allardyce. That opinion doesn't make me less of a Rovers fan than the next man.

I'm getting fed up with the quality of our play too, we can't pass the ball well at all at the minute. That said we are nowhere near needing to get rid of Allardyce. We are currently 9th in the table, and while it can be argued that we were lucky to get three points yesterday, we probably deserved more than we got against Arsenal and Birmingham.

On balance you have to say that there are no candidates out there who would not represent a major risk. Allardyce is here until results go sour or he gets a new job. I am happy to see how it develops for now.

The takeover, imo, is not going to happen. I know nothing more about it than what I have read here, but my gut feeling is that something doesn't stack up. So I wouldn't get your hopes up.

[jim mk2]

Presumably we all post on here because we love Rovers and have the club's best interests at heart but constantly criticising a proven and successful manager to the extent that he should leave is a strange way of going about it. If the takeover does not happen I get the feeling Allardyce will leave of his own accord anyway but until then he deserves all our support.

I've posed this question before but I'll ask the anti-Allardyce brigade again: suggest a better manager who is 1) available 2) cheap 3) experienced 4) could be guaranteed to keep Rovers in the PL ? I'll give you the answer - he doesn't exist.

[Amo]

I'm getting fed up with the quality of our play too, we can't pass the ball well at all at the minute. That said we are nowhere near needing to get rid of Allardyce. We are currently 9th in the table, and while it can be argued that we were lucky to get three points yesterday, we probably deserved more than we got against Arsenal and Birmingham.

I don't think Mark was talking about 'needing' to sack Sam, but being able to afford to. Personally, Sam is currently the best we can hope for, and the style of football is something of a bitter pill to swallow, but it's also become a bad habit. If and when this elusive takeover ever happens, I would gladly see the back of him. And that's not getting ahead of myself, or wanting a fancy continental name to take us to glory. I'd want David Moyes here in a shot. He can put together a competitive side and complement them with his eye for talent. That's the kind of guy I'd like to see taking Rovers forward.

[John]

I love the way everyone presumes with a takeover that we will be sailing into the sunset, poppping the champagne, and thinking its just a mattter of time before we start celebrate winning trophies.

Don't get me wrong, money would obviously help massively, and in someways is necessary should we wish to stay in the Premier League long term, but it guarantees nothing.

[MarkBRFC71]

I don't think Mark was talking about 'needing' to sack Sam, but being able to afford to. Personally, Sam is currently the best we can hope for, and the style of football is something of a bitter pill to swallow, but it's also become a bad habit. If and when this elusive takeover ever happens, I would gladly see the back of him. And that's not getting ahead of myself, or wanting a fancy continental name to take us to glory. I'd want David Moyes here in a shot. He can put together a competitive side and complement them with his eye for talent. That's the kind of guy I'd like to see taking Rovers forward.

Exactly what I meant. In our current position, with our lack of funds I agree that love him or loathe him, Allardyce is probably the best option (apart from Mark Hughes but he's not coming back). We've got to put up with his baseless and shameless self-promotion, and it's never pretty, it's one-dimensional tactically, relies on luck almost as much as judgment, and it makes us the whipping boys in the press but Allardyce's brand of percentage football will probably keep us up.

However, if the takeover does go through and we're suddenly significantly better off, I think we should be able to find someone better without too much difficulty to take us forward. Moyes possibly, but we would suddenly be a lot more attractive to a much higher calibre of manager than Big Sam. Slaven Bilic would be near the top of my list - I know he's unproven as a manager in the Prem, but he played here long enough to know the ins and outs. Maybe he might be able to get the best from Niko too?

[GiddyGoat]

Presumably we all post on here because we love Rovers and have the club's best interests at heart but constantly criticising a proven and successful manager to the extent that he should leave is a strange way of going about it. If the takeover does not happen I get the feeling Allardyce will leave of his own accord anyway but until then he deserves all our support.

Didn't you do exactly that when Souness was in charge?

I've posed this question before but I'll ask the anti-Allardyce brigade again: suggest a better manager who is 1) available 2) cheap 3) experienced 4) could be guaranteed to keep Rovers in the PL ? I'll give you the answer - he doesn't exist.

I remember that you where quite slippery regarding Souness's replacement too....

Personally I cant stand the bloke, but he is good at his job and it makes sense for him to stay, for now.

[MarkBRFC71]

I love the way everyone presumes with a takeover that we will be sailing into the sunset, poppping the champagne, and thinking its just a mattter of time before we start celebrate winning trophies.

Don't get me wrong, money would obviously help massively, and in someways is necessary should we wish to stay in the Premier League long term, but it guarantees nothing.

I'd be over the moon with seeing some actual football, played on the ground, and the odd trip to Europe. That's not too much to ask is it?

[John]

I love Rovers, but cannot wait for the takeover to go through and hopefully see the back of Allardyce. That opinion doesn't make me less of aRovers fan than the next man.

I don't care what I'm seen like - I care about Rovers and at the moment our very existence. Should we not be in the Premier League our very existence as a football club would be in serious danger, our chairman said so himself.

Any manager who ultimately can keep us in the Premier League has my total respect, regardess of who he is. In that end, personally, I have lot of respect for Sam and it may surprise you but so do most of the playing staff too.

[philipl]

Looking at the pictures from Bloomfield Road, it is clear to see there is no shortage of team spirit at Rovers.