[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[philipl]

OK sorry if I am having a downer on Sam over our second half record against Prem teams this season of W0 D2 L6.

Yes errors happen on the football pitch ad we have been very thankful for Everton and Man City errors.

[T4E]

It is Sam's duty to send the players out for the second half motivated and focused. If an error occurs 3 minutes later then he hasn't done his job correctly.

[Mike Graham]

A chorus of booing and comments of it on Match of the Day for McLeish after the Everton match yesterday.

....and a chorus of boos for BFS at Stoke.

That performance on Saturday was the pits, and the day that my support for BFS was finally lost.

[Hughesy]

He's fighting a losing battle with our fans - we dont deserve a decent manager the way he has been hounded since day 1 - he should just quit and let us struggle with some average joe manager - then hopefully you would all be happy, playing pretty football in league 2

[47er]

It is Sam's duty to send the players out for the second half motivated and focused. If an error occurs 3 minutes later then he hasn't done his job correctly.

That is just so ridiculous. He can say all he likes but individual errors by individual players cannot be prevented by a halftime talk.

[Mike Graham]

He's fighting a losing battle with our fans - we dont deserve a decent manager the way he has been hounded since day 1 - he should just quit and let us struggle with some average joe manager - then hopefully you would all be happy, playing pretty football in league 2

I have not been anti-BFS from day 1.

I have given him time and supported him, but I cannot stand any more of the tripe served up by this footballing moron...he can sod off to Madrid.

[thenodrog]

....and a chorus of boos for BFS at Stoke.

That performance on Saturday was the pits, and the day that my support for BFS was finally lost.

If you want to have a hissy fit thats up to you. Fact is which you know well enough is that Stoke spent a lot of money these past 12 months, as have a lot of our rivals. Allardyce has had to grub around for a couple of loan signings and no doubt cheap ones at that.

For one reason or another the young players who were coming through last season have regressed Olson, Hoillet, N'Zonzi and even Kalinic have not come through as stronger players as they were expected to do. Our main / only creative midfielder broke down again after 9 minutes of the first match of the season. Just as a matter of interest given that Dunn's about as much use as a chocolate teapot and is even beginning to resemble one why does he not attract any blame? He's costing us a bloody fortune (I've no idea of his remuneration but at £30,000 pw then since the end of last season that equates to approx £70,000 per minute that he's spent on the pitch! They shoot horses for much less).

We can't afford to sack the manager. Why should we anyway? Who would you realistically think could or would come here? There is nobody better who would come to us who would not be a massive gamble, and with our number of chips gambling big is not something that we are in a position to do. Allardyce still has a burning desire to dine at the top table, to succeed in a top job and prove his detractors wrong. He will be doing everything in his power to get BRFC punching above their weight so that some other club will come in for him.

From what I have seen this season we are a bottom 5 team but with bottom 3 players. The difference will be down to the manager. Try to create infantile unrest if you want but be warned it's just cutting your nose off to spite your face. If the crowd all have girly strops and turn against the manager then we will be relegated imo.

If you want someone to blame then turn on the board. I don't know or care if that will make you feel better or not but they are certainly not helping the manager to manage. If it's cos they don't have either the inclination or more likely the financial muscle to compete with the rest of the Prem then so be it. It's their call and it is their decision not yours, not mine and not the manager's. If we are relegated because they could not afford to keep us up then thats ok too. I've seen that self same situation before in 65/66, with all that silly 'sack the manager', 'sack the board' 'thats it I'm never going again' babyhouse crap that went with it. The truth of the matter is that without "an idiot with a death wish" (AMS) or some all mouth and trousers IndoPak with an unknown motive willing to chuck good money after bad, Blackburn as a town can neither warrant nor deserve nor afford a top flight team. We are paupers in the horrible new world of the Premier league and it's about time we recognised our true place in it. Unfortunately many including yourself are unable and unwilling to recognise the truth of the matter and would rather rely on knee jerk reaction, spineless principles and immature outbursts.

I'm sick to death of babyhouse whingeing about the club and the manager without offering any serious alternatives. I'm not happy with the situation but I prefer to spend my time whingeing about our supposed fans.... cos plenty of em deserve it.

btw another chorus of boos at Anfield..... Another set of fans like ours having to adapt to champagne tastes on beer money.

[BuckyRover]

Let's get Roy back.

Good on a small budget and soon to be available

[Mattyblue]

Pretty much agree with all that 'drog, but can you explain why Blackburn does not deserve a Premier League team?

The town will obviously struggle to put bums on seats, but do you want a Premier League consisting of the 20 clubs from the biggest conurbations?

I'm a Blackburner and I deserve a top flight club as much as anyone else.

[Exiled_Rover]

If you want to have a hissy fit thats up to you. Fact is which you know well enough is that Stoke spent a lot of money these past 12 months, as have a lot of our rivals. Allardyce has had to grub around for a couple of loan signings and no doubt cheap ones at that.

For one reason or another the young players who were coming through last season have regressed Olson, Hoillet, N'Zonzi and even Kalinic have not come through as stronger players as they were expected to do. Our main / only creative midfielder broke down again after 9 minutes of the first match of the season. Just as a matter of interest given that Dunn's about as much use as a chocolate teapot and is even beginning to resemble one why does he not attract any blame? He's costing us a bloody fortune (I've no idea of his remuneration but at £30,000 pw then since the end of last season that equates to approx £70,000 per minute that he's spent on the pitch! They shoot horses for much less).

Have they regressed? Kalinic is better than he was last year, he's just not a target man. N'Zonzi has had a slow start to the season. Olson's been injured. As for Hoillet, who knows.

And the fact that our hopes rest on a crock tells me everything I need to know about Sam. Should have got rid of Dunn when we had the chance.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

The truth of the matter is that without "an idiot with a death wish" (AMS) or some all mouth and trousers IndoPak with an unknown motive willing to chuck good money after bad, Blackburn as a town can neither warrant nor deserve nor afford a top flight team. We are paupers in the horrible new world of the Premier league and it's about time we recognised our true place in it. Unfortunately many including yourself are unable and unwilling to recognise the truth of the matter and would rather rely on knee jerk reaction, spineless principles and immature outbursts.

I'm sick to death of babyhouse whingeing about the club and the manager without offering any serious alternatives. I'm not happy with the situation but I prefer to spend my time whingeing about our supposed fans.... cos plenty of em deserve it.

btw another chorus of boos at Anfield..... Another set of fans like ours having to adapt to champagne tastes on beer money.

I've edited most of your post out because I dont feel the need to reply to that, I couldn't agree more.

As for the rest well Alan Sugar may well have described those wanting to invest in football clubs as "idoits with a death wish" but would you apply that logic to a certain local bloke who was definately no idiot? Or, for that matter the Siberian multi billionaire at Chelsea?

If you really think that Blackburn neither warrants or deserves a Premiership club then you might as well do something else with your weekends especially as you think the Premiership is "horrible" as you repeatedly like to inform the rest of the mb.

Supporting a football club is about hoping, often against hope, that your club achieves the very best. Without that hope we might as well all fold up the tent and hit the golf course. You seem to want us to drop out of the top flight, I would suggest certainly you would rather that happen to us than us to maintain our current status with the help of an "IndoPak".

Your final sentance is absolute bullshine imo. You expect Liverpool supporters, with their history, to shrug their shoulders and accept what is happening there? Get real FFS.

[Mike Graham]

Gordon,

yes I am having a hissy, I am fed up of watching rubbish and yes I will be there for the next game, and the one after that. I agree with what you say about "Sicknote Dunny", we cannot afford to carry to carry Dunn and he should be shipped out asap.

We do have talent in the squad (apart from a creative midfielder...I discount Sicknote due to repeated unavailability) it is the way that BFS snuffs out our skill and creativity that galls me. And yes above all I do want a Premiership team in Blackburn, unfortunately with this geezer as manager I worry for the future.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Trying to edit/post whilst being mithered by a 13 year old banging on about a bleedin' iphone!

[T4E]

That is just so ridiculous. He can say all he likes but individual errors by individual players cannot be prevented by a halftime talk.

It's not ridiculous in the slightest - preparing the players mentally for the game is a huge part of his job. Infact if you believe his own words, its one of the things he's best at.

Of course he cannot completely prevent errors, but he can make them less likely with adequate preparation. If it was a one off then that would be one thing, but its not. We haven't won a second half all season, and it has cost us a lot of points. The half time team talk is a major part of any manager's job, and at the moment the results show it's an area in which Sam is failing.

[Amo]

Hang on, so if the players remained focused, disciplined and ground out a result, Sam wouldn't take any plaudits? But if the team loses organisation and ships a goal, he's blameless?

[ABBEY]

He's THE EXPERT

[LeChuck]

He's THE EXPERT

Good one, haven't heard that before.

[Hughesy]

Let's get Roy back.

Good on a small budget and soon to be available

Surely a joke???

He's had 1 good season with Fulham! He was one of only 2 managers sacked by Jack - their is a reason for that!

[T4E]

Good one, haven't heard that before.

As trite as it's constant repitition may be, it should be remembered that it was our manager who came out with the moronic statement in the first place.

[BuckyRover]

Surely a joke???

He's had 1 good season with Fulham! He was one of only 2 managers sacked by Jack - their is a reason for that!

1 good season with Fulham?

In his managerial career? Are you sure?

[LeChuck]

As trite as it's constant repitition may be, it should be remembered that it was our manager who came out with the moronic statement in the first place.

Oh I know. It'd be worthwhile repetition if Sam read these boards, but as he doesn't it's totally pointless.

[ABBEY]

Good one, haven't heard that before.

Too good for us as well..better suited for Real!..

Thought I was on ignore ? Its more fun watching clouds than watching zzzzams teams...ooops that's what we do

Good one, haven't heard that before.

Too good for us as well..better suited for Real!..

Thought I was on ignore ? Its more fun watching clouds than watching zzzzams teams...ooops that's what we do

Hard work typing in the outside lane ..me wagon swerved!

[Blue blood]

He's fighting a losing battle with our fans - we dont deserve a decent manager the way he has been hounded since day 1 - he should just quit and let us struggle with some average joe manager - then hopefully you would all be happy, playing pretty football in league 2

You seem incapable of accepting that Sam might be less than perfect.

Now I'm not anti-sam, and nor, I think are a lot of people on here. Heck managing rovers is a horrible job, small club, no resources in the toughest league around - I don't envy Sam one bit. Yes, there are some who have been out to get him since day one, but the majority of criticism from posters seems well balanced.

I think most people are concerned about certain aspects of our performances this year, which any football fan justifiably should be bothered about if they are concerned about the welfare of the club. They are as follows:

Long ball is fine. In fact it is a great weapon to have. Aimless hoofing to no-one, that doesn't work is not long ball football. Just as Ince's passing it around wasn't attractive passing football as it never got us anywhere near the goal, there are times when our football is simply giving it back to the opposition, rather than the long ball tactic.

Sam rarely changes the tactics when it isn't working/we are playing aimless football. A plan B would be very much appreciated. Whether we play 1 or 2 up front will make no difference if we just aimlessly whack it forward at the first opportunity. A bit more mixing it up when it isn't working would be welcome.

Our second half record is worrying. Not all down to the manager, but surely he has some effect on our second half performances. At the very least this should be something he should be looking to address.

Personally even with our crap transfer budget I'm pretty disappointed we've not even tried to fill the obvious holes in our team - especially a creative mid. This is far from solely being Sam's fault, the transfer budget is a joke, but even so I'd have liked to see at least more of an attempt to plug the gaps within the team.

Sadly I'm not sure who there is better who we could have out there. In fact unless we pick up a hidden managerial gem, I don't think there is anyone we could get. So it's a case of like it or lump it.

We could be a lot worse off, there's no doubt about it. But the idea it's all good, or that Sam is a faultless manager, or due to our current circumstances should be immune from critisim just doesn't wash in my book.

[Amo]

You seem incapable of accepting that Sam might be less than perfect.

Because Hughesy is one of those fans who toes the party line on just about EVERYTHING concerning the club. Accept it and move on. We all have.

[T4E]

Oh I know. It'd be worthwhile repetition if Sam read these boards, but as he doesn't it's totally pointless.

On that basis its pointless discussing tactics, team selections or performances.

Sam can't take back what he said, but he could keep his arrogance in check in future. He wont, but he could.