[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[S15]

The Accrington Stanley manager is a not anywhere near qualified enough to be our manager.

I expect everyone has forgotten the last manager we had?

[Amo]

Right been thinking about this...if we don't get sold I'd go for the accy manager ..john colomun (spelling ) .proven miracle worker on a shoestring budget,entertaing football beliefs,top fella who always has time for a chat at the DW gym.

You're making a mockery of those who want to move on from Sam.

[Hughesy]

Coleman?? You been drinking again Abbey?

FFS Ince was bad enough - seriously under-qualified and look what happened, now you want us to take Accy's manager!?

[67splitscreen]

O/T but as talk is of Stanley, £5 at Gigg lane this weekend for the Stanley game for all other club S/T holders.

Show S/T on the gate.

[LeChuck]

You're making a mockery of those who want to move on from Sam.

Who would you put in list to replace Sam? I'm glad this conversation has started because I think it's good to get some perspective on our current manager.

So far we've had Kevin Gallacher, Di Matteo and John Colomun Coleman. I think that tells you a lot!

[Hughesy]

So far we've had Kevin Gallacher, Di Matteo and John Colomun Coleman. I think that tells you a lot!

Can we add some more into the mix then....Ince, Hendry, Curbishley, Sousa.

[MeanGreenMachine]

Saying we were lucky to get 2 goals and would be worse off if we hadn't is a flawed argument to make.

You can quite easily make the argument that we were unlucky not to score in other games, both this season and last, and couldve been higher up the table.

What we can fairly say though is that our performances this season merit the point tally we currenty have.

See the problem with that is you are comparing reality with things that could have happened. We have been very lucky things have gone in our favour with the 'keeper gaffs and the ref cock up, oh and the OG aswell.

And the last line? Really? We havent really dominated a game so far this season. City would of had all 3 points if Samba wasn't in such exceptional form, Blackpool would of took at least a point if it wasnt for the OG (they ran us ragged at time).

My point is, its not all rosey because we have points on the board, with have been poor to dire at times this season, we need to snap out of it sharpish.

[K-Hod]

And we will snap out of it sharpish. Frankly, I think 'fans' need to stop whingeing all the time as it's growing tiresome.

'Sam out', 'hoofball' for the love of god it's like a broken record.

If you don't like it, go and watch Arsenal!

We have little to no funds to change things until/if a takeover happens, until then- please sit tight and try getting behind your team!

[MeanGreenMachine]

Why should i simply go and support another club because im not happy at paying for what im seeing.

The football is gash, the club have made a real effort to get folk through the turnstiles, the stuff being served up will soon see people not bothering again.

[K-Hod]

The football is by no means wonderful, against Fulham it was awful, and I gather it was like that against Stoke also.

You will see when Dunny gets back in the team, the standard of the football will improve ten-fold! Until then, there's just under a fortnight until the next game- relax.

[thenodrog]

.......... Blackpool would of took at least a point if it wasnt for the OG (they ran us ragged at time).

Selective memory well and truly engaged I see.

btw I'd take Coleman over Ince thats for sure but I rather think JW might take some convincing that plucking a manager out of the 4th div is a good idea.... and I'm sure the board would take even more convincing!

Apart from that Coleman despite being a football man is a nomark in the eyes of Prem players and their agents. We'd be faced witn an exodus whilst no one other than Keith Andrews types would be at all interested in coming here.

Like him or nopt Allardyce has lots of credibility within Prem football.

[Amo]

Who would you put in list to replace Sam? I'm glad this conversation has started because I think it's good to get some perspective on our current manager.

So far we've had Kevin Gallacher, Di Matteo and John Colomun Coleman. I think that tells you a lot!

Until we're taken over (or staring relegation) no one. Just like with players, once we have more money we can attract a higher class of manager.

[MarkBRFC71]

Mark Hughes has come out recently and said that Fulham need to stop playing the "pretty" football they've been playing away from home and start clearing their lines instead to take stock of the situation, so that they can start winning their games and get tighter defensively. This is the man that people on here are comparing to Sam, and he's actually gone out and publically said, "we need to use Sam tactics" (not in those words, but you get the idea).

That isn't what Hughes means at all. He's saying that instead of trying to overplay it, sometimes you have to put your foot through it and clear it - don't always try to play it out particularly when it might endanger the team. That's completely different to Rovers where the normal maxim is get it vaguely into the oppostition half as quickly and as far as possible, at every opportunity, and hope it falls for us.

Every single team in the Premier League uses long ball tactics, where the defenders are instructed to hoof it clear or get it up to the striker straight away, rather than keep possession on the ground in their own area. To be fair, they don't use it as frequently as we do, but they still use it.

Subtle difference - it's not a 'long-ball tactic', it's clearing your lines sensibly when you need to. Most teams WILL play it out if they can.

I've made this point before and that is the fact that it's harder for most players to play football in the air, as compared to on the ground. It takes good strong, physical players to be able to compete in the air, who can not only outmuscle and outjump the opposition, but also have the necessary bravery and anticipation to get on the end of the ball and send it in the right direction. If we have players that can achieve that to a certain degree and can take advantage of other teams who are less capable of competing in the air then we should do this as often as possible, and we do, and we get goals from it.

No offence Miker, but that is absolute nonsense. I assume you've never played football because if you had you'd realise how far off the mark that paragrpah is. It's much, much harder, requires more skill, speed, technique, nous, and footballing ability to play a short passing game, hence why the best teams and players play that way.

We don't play with much skill - our long-ball game is based on getting it into the box as quickly and as often as possible, and hoping that fortunes favours us and on one of the occasions we lump it in, it falls in our favour and presents us with a chance. It's called percentage footbal - pure and simple.

And, even if it WAS more difficult to play "football in the air", why would we deliberately make it more difficult for ourselves by trying to play it?!?

Against a team like Stoke though, it was a foolish tactic that obviously wasn't working. It was surprising that we still employed direct tactics against Stoke, since we had swapped M Diouf for Kalinic and I expected our game plan to employ through balls for M Diouf to run onto, rather than try and lump it to him in the air.

Did you expect us to change the way we play? Because I didn't - Sam has a gameplan, and only the personnel change. I would have brough Junior and Olsson on, lpayed the ball on the floor and tried to utilise their speed against tiring full-backs. As you said, plan 'A' wasn't working, so why did we not change?

People who believe we play bad football in every match under Sam are just plain wrong in my eyes because I have enjoyed many games we played, including our game against Arsenal that we unfortunately lost and if people are looking at those sort of games and still saying they were bored, then I'm not really sure what you're doing watching football. If you disagree with me, then just look back at the World Cup threads where people were complaining about boring football, clearly it's not just Sam that employs boring tactics, but the vast majority of managers worldwide. Even Brazil was being accused of boring, unattractive football.

The first half against Arsenal proved that the players CAN play football - we essentially matched the best footballing team this side of the Nou Camp. The players are being told to play a certain way by the manager, and it's shackling any ability they might have to play differently. However, apart from that it's been as dull as ditchwater to watch.

BTW not singling you out Miker, but your post succinctly put forward all the main points of the 'pro-Sam' camp.

[67splitscreen]

I'd imagine Dunny will have 20 min with the reserves before the next game so should be back for the Sunderland game, away that is.

[MarkBRFC71]

Thats actually not a bad shout. I'd hate him to leave Stanley but he's done an amazing job and deserves a pop at a decent League 1 or maybe even a Championship club.

It's Coleman btw, like the mustard.

<pedant mode on>

The Mustard is actually Colman's? http://www.colmansmustardshop.com/

<pedant mode off>

[BuckyRover]

Selective memory well and truly engaged I see.

btw I'd take Coleman over Ince thats for sure but I rather think JW might take some convincing that plucking a manager out of the 4th div is a good idea.... and I'm sure the board would take even more convincing!

Apart from that Coleman despite being a football man is a nomark in the eyes of Prem players and their agents. We'd be faced witn an exodus whilst no one other than Keith Andrews types would be at all interested in coming here.

Like him or nopt Allardyce has lots of credibility within Prem football.

Very interesting:

Ince. Saved club from relegation, promotion with MK Dons, Briefly England captain, lots of PL/Serie A experience as a player. BAD CHOICE

Coleman. Never managed above League 2, no experience of top level football as a player or manager. GOOD CHOICE (but not better than Sam).

Im not really surprised, you are as transparent as glass.

[eire3382]

The situation with regards to our current manager is quite simple, he is the perfect manager for this club at this time. He may not always be, but for right now he is doing a good job.

[adopted scouser]

Abbey casts a line and they all come a snappin' :lol:

[ABBEY]

[Amo]

Abbey casts a line and they all come a snappin' :lol:

Surely you're giving him too much credit?

[adopted scouser]

Surely you're giving him too much credit?

Not at tall, Shaun you have your moments

[ABBEY]

Surely you're giving him too much credit?

hee hee ...it was a set up ,facebookers can verify lol.

[S15]

hee hee ...it was a set up ,facebookers can verify lol.

Well, there comes the confirmation of what we've always known; You have no life.

[LeChuck]

Abbey casts a line and they all come a snappin' :lol:

It's known on the internet as 'trolling'. Not usually something that's admired to be honest. Any half-wit can wind people up by throwing out stupid opinions, and they usually do because that's the best they can offer.

[Amo]

I think the fact a lot of us took Abbey seriously says more about HIM than it does about US!