[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[John]

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[Stuart]

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Looks like I got my sums a bit out there but the point is still valid. Bolton have easily out spent us and may well continue to do so. Maybe now they have the right manager they'll move above us

Here's hoping not - for our sake!

[LeChuck]

You can hardly say Bolton have a stronger squad than ours.

Cahill, Muamba, Holden, Petrov, Lee Chung-Yong, Sean Davis, Kevin Davies and Elmander would all walk into our team.

Actually it's probably easier to turn and round and ask who would get into the Bolton team from our squad. Probably only Samba and Givet.

There are a couple of players of similar ability (Robinson and Jääskeläinen, Steinsson and Salgado) but overall their midfield and strike force is way ahead of ours.

[Amo]

Looks like I got my sums a bit out there but the point is still valid. Bolton have easily out spent us and may well continue to do so. Maybe now they have the right manager they'll move above us

Yeah, hardly "breaking the bank" compared to us, and tbh, most PL teams have easily outspent us. The question remains, do Bolton have a vastly more talented side than us? I don't think they do, and yet they can put their foot on the ball and play good stuff when need be.

There's a myth about Rovers that we can only play one way. In truth, it's the manager who only knows how to play one way.

[Stuart]

Yeah, hardly "breaking the bank" compared to us, and tbh, most PL teams have easily outspent us. The question remains, do Bolton have a vastly more talented side than us? I don't think they do, and yet they can put their foot on the ball and play good stuff when need be.

Did you read John's link? I'd say they've well outspent us.

There's a myth about Rovers that we can only play one way. In truth, it's the manager who only knows how to play one way.

I'm inclined to agree with that bit though.

[John]

Yeah, hardly "breaking the bank" compared to us, and tbh, most PL teams have easily outspent us. The question remains, do Bolton have a vastly more talented side than us? I don't think they do, and yet they can put their foot on the ball and play good stuff when need be.

There's a myth about Rovers that we can only play one way. In truth, it's the manager who only knows how to play one way.

Big Sam has a proven track record of getting results which is what it is all about.

I've said it before, people underestimate how poor our midfield is. The fact we relied so heavily on Keith Andrews last season is a good indicator of how bad things are. Perhaps if Grella and Dunn could stay fit for a period of time that could improve things but we know that simply does not happen.

We've been particuarly direct this season however we've not had our most creative player on the pitch (Dunn).

[FourLaneBlue]

Funny, 'cos Bolton have managed it without breaking the bank.

I think the 11million for Elmander in itself was "breaking the bank" compared to what our minus zero spending figures have been.

Not that our style of play isn't awful at times, but just about every team in the Prem has broken the bank compared to us.

[Amo]

Big Sam has a proven track record of getting results which is what it is all about.

So there's no room for improvement?

I've said it before, people underestimate how poor our midfield is. The fact we relied so heavily on Keith Andrews last season is a good indicator of how bad things are. Perhaps if Grella and Dunn could stay fit for a period of time that could improve things but we know that simply does not happen.

We've been particuarly direct this season however we've not had our most creative player on the pitch (Dunn).

Our midfield is weak and it's been a problem area for some time. I'll happily admit that. However, there's no excuse for PL players on PL wages being unable to play it on the deck, especially against teams of similar quality. We're capable of it. We just don't have a manager who encourages that kind of play; he'd rather stick to the percentage football.

[John]

So there's no room for improvement?

To finish higher than 10th in the league would take a near miracle IMO, we are not that good.

[Amo]

To finish higher than 10th in the league would take a near miracle IMO, we are not that good.

I was talking about improvement on the pitch.

[Hughesy]

Cahill, Muamba, Holden, Petrov, Lee Chung-Yong, Sean Davis, Kevin Davies and Elmander would all walk into our team.

Holden??? I work in Bolton and im yet to meet 1 fan who likes him - they cannot understand him getting a deal!

Sean Davis only because our midfield is dire...Muamba over NZonzi? Not so sure on that either.

Elmander - depends on our formation, Kalinic will do better than him in the long term.

[roversfan99]

Bolton have a team of similar expectations, WBA were expected to finish in the bottom 3 by many, yet both teams seem to play a much better brand of football than us.

[thenodrog]

Bolton have a team of similar expectations, WBA were expected to finish in the bottom 3 by many, yet both teams seem to play a much better brand of football than us.

Bolton have spent significantly whilst WBA are playing well but like BPool and NUFC are still in newly promoted mode. Rem Burnley were riding high this time last season.

[super_arran]

Holden??? I work in Bolton and im yet to meet 1 fan who likes him - they cannot understand him getting a deal!

You mustn't work with many knowledgable Bolton fans then.

He's bein hailed as the next big thing for the USA team and is easily better than any of our box to box middle men.

(I've been to the reebok a few times this season so I base my opinion on actually bein there and seein him play)

[Miker]

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Wow! That really puts things into perspective to see that we were -18mil last season and at 0 spend this season so far, in comparison to other clubs. The only clubs (not counting Man U) to spend less than that were Middlesbrough, Newcastle and Portsmouth.

We drastically need investment, and sooner rather than later.

[thenodrog]

We drastically need investment, and sooner rather than later.

investment!!

Investment noun /ɪnˈvest .mənt/ n [C or U]

the act of putting money, effort, time, etc. into something to make a profit or get an advantage.

lol:

[deryck guyler's spoon]

investment!!

Investment noun /ɪnˈvest .mənt/ n [C or U]

the act of putting money, effort, time, etc. into something to make a profit or get an advantage.

lol:

You conveniently ignored "or get an advantage".

[John]

PAUL Robinson has leapt to the defence of Blackburn Rovers boss Sam Allardyce by claiming he has the ability to manage at the very highest level.

“He is a great, great man manager. He knows exactly how to treat players, he is very scientifically involved in the game and you see his record at the clubs he has been at. In footballing circles you are aware of what a good manager Sam Allardyce is even before you meet him. You know the staff he has around him, the scientific approach he brings with him. He is a thinker.

“He is an old fashioned manager with a modern way of thinking. It really, really works. He speaks to you, he is a man manager. He knows how to deal with players, he is honest with you and tells exactly how it is and what he wants from you."

[thenodrog]

You conveniently ignored "or get an advantage".

Thats cos I'm usually too busy ignoring you and your attempts to goad.

[Dan]

If Sam is such a great and 'scientific' manager, why the hell does he keep instructing us to use the long throw tactic? It's worked once in the league since he's been here? That doesn't seem like a scientific approach to me and it's getting very annoying.

[thenodrog]

If Sam is such a great and 'scientific' manager, why the hell does he keep instructing us to use the long throw tactic? It's worked once in the league since he's been here? That doesn't seem like a scientific approach to me and it's getting very annoying.

To quote SA " A long throw is the most accurate way to deliver a ball into the box". That much is true but unfortunately a. MGP's throws do not carry the pace and flat line of Delap and b. unlike with a crossed ball players are closely marked at throw ins.

I've no problems with the long throw but it needs to be mixed up. Last night Olsson and Dunn were frequently in space in midfield and should have recieved the ball to try and 'throw' the opposition.

We rely on throws, corners and set pieces more than most clubs and I do think we need to have more imagination and a greater range of options at our disposal with all of them. We might not have the free flowing footballers like the Arsenal but we do have the players with the qualities to maximise the threat of our set pieces.

[Stuart]

To quote SA " A long throw is the most accurate way to deliver a ball into the box". That much is true but unfortunately a. MGP's throws do not carry the pace and flat line of Delap and b. unlike with a crossed ball players are closely marked at throw ins.

I've no problems with the long throw but it needs to be mixed up. Last night Olsson and Dunn were frequently in space in midfield and should have recieved the ball to try and 'throw' the opposition.

We rely on throws, corners and set pieces more than most clubs and I do think we need to have more imagination and a greater range of options at our disposal with all of them. We might not have the free flowing footballers like the Arsenal but we do have the players with the qualities to maximise the threat of our set pieces.

In fairness, there were some short throws last night - mixing it up a little. Including one spectacularly bad one from Pedersen where he didn't take a run up.

It's a bit poor when we are adding tricks to our throw in routines though!

[ABBEY]

I'm giving it until xmas and then that's me handing 2 season tickets back ,if the soul destroying, mundane ,sleep inducing tactics continue. 40 years I've had a season ticket and I'm totally ###### off with it all now. It used to be a pleasure coming to rovers home and away with thr saturday morning butterflies and night games counting down at work until clocking off and the anticipation of it all.Now its oh christ wtf am I doing here again watching this route 1 boring crap that should of died when john Beck or wimbledon played it.best league in the world? BS when davies played for eng then the death bells do toll. There where a lot who didn't turn up last night because they are sick of the big one trick pony .

[waggy]

when is lard@rses contract up

[sweet]

If Sam is such a great and 'scientific' manager, why the hell does he keep instructing us to use the long throw tactic? It's worked once in the league since he's been here? That doesn't seem like a scientific approach to me and it's getting very annoying.

What do you suggest? do you really think that if we take a short throw we are going to pass it around and get it into the box? 9/10 we will lose possesion before we get it into the oppositions box, at least with the throwing we get it into the box. I can see the logic in the long throw.