BuckyRover Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 Why did we sack Ince if the performance on the pitch was nothing to do with him? Why do we even employ a manager? Might as well get the players to pick the team and just tell them to get on with it
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LeftWinger Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 Pass completion rate is down to the players, isn't it? If we played the proper way - we'd been playing a lot more short passes, which are obviously easier to complete. The fact Robinson is our top passer this season (and last season) is nothing short of embarassing. You're not going to have a good pass completion percentage when you're relying on your keeper to hoof it forward. While I applaud our defensive record under Sam - our attacking play is abysmal.
Mattyblue Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 so if there is a few bob ,all the people on here who say walrus head is the only man in the whole wide world capable of being rovers boss with no money,have you changed your minds? or is he still the only person who can still do it even with money? or do you still want negative ,boring footy that infants play in the school yard? Eh? Nearly everyobdy that supports Allardyce on here, do so because he has a track record on a small budget. Of course, if we had a few bob, it changes everything. Who on earth on here would say he is the only person that can do it WITH money?!
John Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 Eh? Nearly everyobdy that supports Allardyce on here, do so because he has a track record on a small budget. Of course, if we had a few bob, it changes everything. Who on earth on here would say he is the only person that can do it WITH money?! Why not at least give Sam the chance with a little bit more money, so he can buy better players - he clearly was not given enough time at Newcastle. Stability is important for any football club, just getting rid of the manager because we might have £5-10 more million to spend is not very sensible IMO.
daveoftherovers Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 Eh? Nearly everyobdy that supports Allardyce on here, do so because he has a track record on a small budget. Of course, if we had a few bob, it changes everything. Who on earth on here would say he is the only person that can do it WITH money?! Gents, I can't think for one minute that BS is deliberately playing this so called brand of football because he wants to, I personally think that he is having the team play that way because he feels that is the way to get the results to keep us up? If he does have a few quid (Post any takeover) I'm sure we'll see a change in emphasis and quality of creative players etc. What does everyone else think (Who isn't just a Sam hater) please? The problem I think we have at the moment is that if we went for it, we would probably get a good hiding, as a lot of the Prem has more creativity and firepower than we do, our defence is okay, however, it's not bomb proof (Clearly)
den Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 Why did we sack Ince if the performance on the pitch was nothing to do with him? Why do we even employ a manager? Might as well get the players to pick the team and just tell them to get on with it I'll ask again. How do the stats that Leftwinger posted, prove that the pass completion rate is solely down to the manager, and absolutely nothing to do with the quality of player? Gents, I can't think for one minute that BS is deliberately playing this so called brand of football because he wants to, I personally think that he is having the team play that way because he feels that is the way to get the results to keep us up? If he does have a few quid (Post any takeover) I'm sure we'll see a change in emphasis and quality of creative players etc. What does everyone else think (Who isn't just a Sam hater) please? The problem I think we have at the moment is that if we went for it, we would probably get a good hiding, as a lot of the Prem has more creativity and firepower than we do, our defence is okay, however, it's not bomb proof (Clearly) Absolutely right. We played nice attacking football under Ince, and would have gone down if Sam hadn't come in and started to play result football. It aint good, but with this set of players it's the most effective.
Mattyblue Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 I'll ask again. How do the stats that Leftwinger posted, prove that the pass completion rate is solely down to the manager, and absolutely nothing to do with the quality of player? Absolutely right. We played nice attacking football under Ince, and would have gone down if Sam hadn't come in and started to play result football. It aint good, but with this set of players it's the most effective. Come of it, we DID NOT play 'nice attacking football' under Ince, I went to most games home and away under him, it started off exciting at Everton, I'll give you that, but quickly descended into poor and niave football of a farcial level.
LeftWinger Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 I'll ask again. How do the stats that Leftwinger posted, prove that the pass completion rate is solely down to the manager, and absolutely nothing to do with the quality of player? Because a Blackpool side which cost about £2m to put together manage to play far better football than us. Do they have better players? No - they're just told to go and play football.
John Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 Because a Blackpool side which cost about £2m to put together manage to play far better football than us. Do they have better players? No - they're just told to go and play football. What was our result at Blackpool again? Burnley (apparently) and West Brom have played some decent footabll in the past....
Miker Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 Why did we sack Ince if the performance on the pitch was nothing to do with him? Why do we even employ a manager? Might as well get the players to pick the team and just tell them to get on with it The manager's main task is to make decisions, motivate players and take the flak for anything that goes wrong. Things like passing quality will go down to the players and coaching staff, even tactics will be heavily influenced by the backroom staff and not just the manager. That's why when a new manager comes in he usually brings in a whole new backroom staff with him. Another key role of the manager is to ensure the players are doing what's required of them on the pitch, such as keeping their line, marking up on the right players, providing options in attack and so on. A good manager will keep his side well-disciplined on and off the pitch. Ince didn't seem to have any of that covered and the mass of injuries suffered under his reign was ridiculous. People don't really talk about it much, but how many serious injuries have players had under Sam? Besides minor knocks and the always-injured Dunn and Grella, we have been doing pretty well.
Exiled in Toronto Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 I'll ask again. How do the stats that Leftwinger posted, prove that the pass completion rate is solely down to the manager, and absolutely nothing to do with the quality of player? Pass comnpletion rate is the % of passes completed, which would indeed be mostly down to the quality of the palyers. But the stat he quoted was number of passes completed, which is different, being made up of number of passes attempted multiplied by pass completion rate. So either, we and Arsenal both attempted 5,000 passes, they completed 80% of them and us 30% because we have useless players compared to them. Or, perhaps Wenger instructs his team to pass to a team mate as first option and our manager instructs his team to pass into an area as first option, thus losing us possession and the opportunity to make more passes.
JAL Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 I struggle to believe in Sam Allardyce when it comes to forwards, after signing a dud out of Africa coupled with thoughts of Kevin Davies, James Beattie and Kenyne Jones, FFS, sorry, my ambitions for Rovers football club are a lot, lot higher than these guys. Its a clear weakness of Sam Allardyce that will always mean he'll never tread the path to glory when the prizes are there to be won.
John Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 Sam has said from day one, and has continued to do so this season, he is paid to get results and has a very clear mandate from the current Board – keep Rovers in the Premiership.
BuckyRover Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 This does my bloody nut in. Since when did "pass to feet" = relegation. FFS.
MeanGreenMachine Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 Sam has said from day one, and has continued to do so this season, he is paid to get results and has a very clear mandate from the current Board – keep Rovers in the Premiership. But he aint getting results...
deryck guyler's spoon Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 But he aint getting results... Thankfully, just like last term, the season dosn't end at the start of November.
ABBEY Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 Gents, I can't think for one minute that BS is deliberately playing this so called brand of football because he wants to, I personally think that he is having the team play that way because he feels that is the way to get the results to keep us up? hahaha its april fools day already.GOD ALMIGHTY ITS THE ONLYWAY HE KNOWS HOW TO PLAY FOOTY. HE PLAYED JUST LIKE IT ROUGH AND SKILL LESS.Tell me one club where he has managed that hes played footy and not percentage hit and hope rubbish.
BuckyRover Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 I must point out that I am not calling for him to be sacked, merely pointing out that our awful passing is his responsibility.
ABBEY Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 I'll ask again. How do the stats that Leftwinger posted, prove that the pass completion rate is solely down to the manager, and absolutely nothing to do with the quality of player? its not down to the manager or the players the percentage of complete passes its down to lady luck whenever its launched john beck style. This does my bloody nut in. Since when did "pass to feet" = relegation. FFS. mark this date ,this is probably the first ever post we agree on.
Majiball Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 its not down to the manager or the players the percentage of complete passes its down to lady luck whenever its launched john beck style. No luck involved, its all pure science and stat's.
Majiball Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 Team Goals Shots On Target Shot Accuracy Succ Passes Arsenal 21 134 60 45% 4086 Aston Villa 9 91 33 36% 2380 Birmingham 10 80 31 39% 2546 Blackburn 8 69 25 36% 1559 Blackpool 13 91 40 44% 2863 Bolton 13 85 41 48% 2034 Chelsea 25 133 63 47% 4026 Everton 9 92 34 37% 2905 Fulham 10 101 35 35% 3155 Liverpool 9 104 45 43% 3159 Man City 12 77 40 52% 3443 Man United 20 108 46 43% 3692 Newcastle 14 90 45 50% 2902 Stoke City 10 91 35 38% 1558 Sunderland 8 90 23 26% 2190 Tottenham 11 113 49 43% 3248 West Brom 13 98 37 38% 2632 West Ham 7 98 35 36% 2560 Wigan 7 96 40 42% 2869 Wolves 8 65 29 45% 2421 Well according to this table we're 4th best!!!!
roversmum Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 Ha ha you nearly got me going there, Majiball
den Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 Pass comnpletion rate is the % of passes completed, which would indeed be mostly down to the quality of the palyers. But the stat he quoted was number of passes completed, which is different, being made up of number of passes attempted multiplied by pass completion rate. So either, we and Arsenal both attempted 5,000 passes, they completed 80% of them and us 30% because we have useless players compared to them. Or, perhaps Wenger instructs his team to pass to a team mate as first option and our manager instructs his team to pass into an area as first option, thus losing us possession and the opportunity to make more passes. Pretty much sums up my views on "pass completion rates" etc, etc. A load of bollockies.
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