[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[Amo]

So we were missing three starters from the Villa does that mean the other players are not first 11 players? So Sam was correct in what he said and wasn't lying/ misleading as was implied? glad you agree.

Ummm....what?

We were missing two players from the Villa game, since Sam chose to drop Hoilett himself. So the overall line-up was hardly affected and yet we lost the game in the first 45 anyway. For Sam to bring players like Grella, Andrews, Nzonzi etc. into his defence is ridiculous.

[imy9]

Ummm....what?

We were missing two players from the Villa game, since Sam chose to drop Hoilett himself. So the overall line-up was hardly affected and yet we lost the game in the first 45 anyway. For Sam to bring players like Grella, Andrews, Nzonzi etc. into his defence is ridiculous.

Ummm... what indeed, I think you are getting a little muddled in your argument.

You said originally: "We didn't have 7 players injured who would have played yesterday, only 2 or maybe at a push 3"

Now you are saying that we are missing two/three players from the Villa game?! Which one is it?

We were missing at least EIGHT players (forgot to include Benjani that would make it NINE), these players would either start or be first off the bench- my argument from the beginnning. So was Sam misleading/lying- something which you implied?

Why is it ridiculous not to mention that we are missing the likes of Nzonzi (our CURRENT player of the year!).

[Stuart]

Ummm... what indeed, I think you are getting a little muddled in your argument.

You said originally: "We didn't have 7 players injured who would have played yesterday, only 2 or maybe at a push 3"

Now you are saying that we are missing two/three players from the Villa game?! Which one is it?

We were missing at least EIGHT players (forgot to include Benjani that would make it NINE), these players would either start or be first off the bench- my argument from the beginnning. So was Sam misleading/lying- something which you implied?

Why is it ridiculous not to mention that we are missing the likes of Nzonzi (our CURRENT player of the year!).

Not sure which of you is getting mixed up imy but to answer you last question - because he's barely featured this season. So it's no good Sam moaning he couldn't pick N'Zonzi (if indeed he was) because he hasn't picked him anyway.

It's a good guessing game though: who are the 7 players who Sam is referring to?

Pedersen - "injured"

Mame Diouf - "cup tied"

Olsson - ?

Kalinic - ?

Realistically that means Sam is including Andrews, N'Zonzi and Grella - unless there's someone else he's talking about. If that's the case, he's being more than a little naughty IMHO.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

'Listen and listen good Samuel!.You either start with these three up front next game or you'll be going in the Chicken coop!!'

[FourLaneBlue]

There's not a cat in hell's chance of Coyle leaving Bolton to join Blackburn. He'll not stay at Bolton for ever, I'm sure a "big" club will come calling in the next two years - but he won't be joining you. I don't think O'Neil will come your way either - but that's not a big deal imho. He's vastly overrated. Did nowt at Leicester or Villa as far as I'm concerned.

There's not a lot wrong with Allardyce - and you won't replace him with a better manager given your resources - even added chicken-fuelled resources.

I don't see any reason why a Rovers manager would leave for Bolton, or vice versa, as long as we are both in the top flight. We are very similar sides. I do find it amusing when fans of either clubs try and suggest their club is "bigger" than the other. If we have a non-identical twin knocking around anywhere, it is at the Breezeblock. Unless one side suddenly had a big war-chest or one got relegated, it does not make sense.

[FourLaneBlue]

MON would be bad for the Rovers. With financial backing he's slightly above average. With little or no backing he'd be a disaster.

Think the opposite, to be honest. Martin O'Neill has impressed when he hasn't had millions to lavish and has needed to fight above his weight. At Villa, it showed that spending millions and millions doesn't quite work. The fortune he spent on the likes of Reo-Coker, Heskey and Davies wouldn't be allowed him at a club like ours.

[Amo]

Ummm... what indeed, I think you are getting a little muddled in your argument.

You said originally: "We didn't have 7 players injured who would have played yesterday, only 2 or maybe at a push 3"

Now you are saying that we are missing two/three players from the Villa game?! Which one is it?

We were missing at least EIGHT players (forgot to include Benjani that would make it NINE), these players would either start or be first off the bench- my argument from the beginnning. So was Sam misleading/lying- something which you implied?

Why is it ridiculous not to mention that we are missing the likes of Nzonzi (our CURRENT player of the year!).

In Sam's own words:

"To be fair, a lot of what we wanted to do, we were restricted by our selection process. We've got Grella, Andrews, Nzonzi, Pedersen, Kalinic and Givet who weren't available for selection."

More or less the same team that beat Aston Villa, Newcastle & Wigan got tanked by half-time, so why wheel out excuses like Grella, Andrews and Nzonzi, who have barely played this season?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

But he didn't did he? Which tends to strengthen my point. Allardyce, or Coyle for that matter, would have shut up shop at 2-0 and taken three well earned points. Ian Holloway has a very large self-destruct gene. Don't get me wrong, there's a part of me that would love to see him in charge at Ewood. But that's more to do with laughing at his post-match interviews, many of which are surreal. Rather he managed you than us - but he's fine at Blackpool too!

At the risk of repeating myself Coyle will not leave Bolton for Blackburn.

Nothing to see here. Move on.

If I were you I'd be more concerned about coming up with someone to replace Coyle when he does find a club that matches his ambitions.

[BuckyRover]

If I were you I'd be more concerned about coming up with someone to replace Coyle when he does find a club that matches his ambitions.

Sam will probably be available when that comes to pass.

[imy9]

In Sam's own words:

"To be fair, a lot of what we wanted to do, we were restricted by our selection process. We've got Grella, Andrews, Nzonzi, Pedersen, Kalinic and Givet who weren't available for selection."

More or less the same team that beat Aston Villa, Newcastle & Wigan got tanked by half-time, so why wheel out excuses like Grella, Andrews and Nzonzi, who have barely played this season?

The actual quote:

We've got Grella, Andrews, Nzonzi, Olsson, Pedersen, Kalinic and Givet

We can go around in circles but the point being made is that we were missing at least seven first team players, and playing a rampant Man Utd side meant the deficiancies of our squad were exposed.

[bazza]

To the people who wanted Big Sam, who would you wanted to replace him???

Hughton?

Shearer?

Di Matteo?

Hollway?

Zola?

Steve McClaren?

I'm not calling for Big Sam to go but, if he were to leave the club, Steve McClaren would be a good shout, as would Martin O'Neil.

But what about giving the reins to Neil McDonald? Is that the correct name for our current assistant manager? He did well whilst Sam was poorly.

[Amo]

The actual quote:

We've got Grella, Andrews, Nzonzi, Olsson, Pedersen, Kalinic and Givet

We can go around in circles but the point being made is that we were missing at least seven first team players, and playing a rampant Man Utd side meant the deficiancies of our squad were exposed.

I'll give you Pedersen & Givet, that's it. The rest, no chance. Nzonzi was dropped at the start of the year, Grella is always a write-off, Kalinic was dropped last match, Olsson has been in and out, and Andrews... don't go there.

So, the same team (give or take) who beat Villa, Newcastle & Wigan could only expect to be thumped 7-1? Lower league sides could have put up more a fight than we did. Sam & the players ballsed it up, no two-ways about it.

[chaddyrovers]

I'm not calling for Big Sam to go but, if he were to leave the club, Steve McClaren would be a good shout, as would Martin O'Neil.

But what about giving the reins to Neil McDonald? Is that the correct name for our current assistant manager? He did well whilst Sam was poorly.

I dont think Big Sam should be sacked yet, give him to the end of the season to see where we are in the league. He's done a good job so far considing where we were in the league and he's not had that much money to spend. This season he's sign two free players and a loan player. Let's see what players we sign in January. I just wish we would play like we did against Cheslea every game and attacking teams more.

Yeah the assistant manager is Neil McDonald.

Steve McClaren would be a good shout!!! maybe 1st choice!

I don't rate MO'N at all and would be a bad choice and not good for the dressing room atmosphere at all!!!

[FourLaneBlue]

Sams done just enough to keep us going and no more, eternally grateful he rescued an already submerged ship after ince but his record even without wads of cash has'nt exactly set the bar high.

Rubbish.

Taking over with us 4 points adrift of safety yet leading us to mid-table. Following this up with a tenth place finish and a semi-final.

All of this while selling players in attempts to balance the books and, Kalinic apart, having very little to reinvest.

The football might be terrible and, let's face it, the man is a t!t, but when it comes down to it, in black and white terms, his management has been a resounding success. Sacking a manager during a season carries a risk of getting the wrong man in and being relegated. I'm somewhat shocked that so many on here are so blind that they want to do that.

I don't think Fat Sam will be at Rovers for too long. However, anyone of a right mind would want him to leave during a summer - any summer - with us as Premiership club rather than randomly sacking a proven Prem manager in the middle of the campaign.

We beat an expensively assembled Villa 2-0 last week. One game later and he should go and we should take pot luck on whoever is available? Madness. Well, not madness as such...blind bloody stubbornness.

I will put my love for the good of the club over any personal dislike for an individual.

We should never be sacking a manager mid-season unless we are truly forced to. We were with Ince. Nobody worth listening to would suggest we are in the same plight today.

If he is going to leave, fine, but it has to be done at the end of a season.

[FourLaneBlue]

Truth be told, though, Sam has always been the right man for our situation but he's never been the right man for Blackburn Rovers. He's got us results but I think even those who agree with that aren't truly happy with him as manager. It's a bit of a begrudging situation but beggars can't be choosers.

Hopefully we're no longer beggars, though.

I do think there is a lot of truth in that. He doesn't really fit. He will never be loved in the way Hughes was, or Souness was until he went bonkers. Hodgson never quite seemed to fit either, although I am not too sure why that was.

There is a time and a place, however, and halfway through a Prem campaign which finds us just a couple of points off seventh with some very winnable fixtures coming up certainly isn't the time nor the place...

[imy9]

I'll give you Pedersen & Givet, that's it. The rest, no chance. Nzonzi was dropped at the start of the year (SO WAS ROONEY BY FERGIE, SO? HE IS STILL OUR PLAYER OF THE YEAR DO YOU WRITE PLAYERS OFF AFTER HALF A DOZEN GAMES?), Grella is always a write-off (STILL PERFORMS WELL WHEN ON THE PITCH), Kalinic was dropped last match (SO? HAS HE NOT BEEN PLAYING AND SCORING?), Olsson has been in and out(A YOUNG PLAYER LEARNING HIS TRADE, WHEN FIT HAS PLAYED A PART IN EVERY GAME SO FAR), and Andrews... don't go there. (I WONT BUT HE DOES START WHEN FIT)

So, the same team (give or take) who beat Villa, Newcastle & Wigan could only expect to be thumped 7-1? Lower league sides could have put up more a fight than we did. Sam & the players ballsed it up, no two-ways about it.

Ill try one final time:

Are the players mentioned first 11 players/ players who are the first off the bench?

Do those players make us stronger or weaker?

A midfield of Jones (a centre half), Emerton (who was playing his first competitive match in weeks) and Goulon (first match), is this a strong midfield? So there is obviously a point of mentioning it after being thumped 7-1!

Dont get me wrong the players and the manager deserve flak for the performance BUT there are obviously reasons for this.

[Amo]

Ill try one final time:

Are the players mentioned first 11 players/ players who are the first off the bench?

Do those players make us stronger or weaker?

A midfield of Jones (a centre half), Emerton (who was playing his first competitive match in weeks) and Goulon (first match), is this a strong midfield? So there is obviously a point of mentioning it after being thumped 7-1!

Dont get me wrong the players and the manager deserve flak for the performance BUT there are obviously reasons for this.

I could quote each point and drag this on all night, but Sam's pathetic excuse for our defeat doesn't deserve it.

We lost the first half with practically the same team who'd won the last few games. Sure, those players mentioned would have given us options, but they weren't available, and who's to say they would have played anyway since most of them are in and out of the team. We capitulated today and that's that. Some fans will eat any old crap the manager dishes up.

[Mozzer]

it makes me laugh reading this thread ..

when we win - theres nothing but a peak from fans

when we lose - its oo sack the manager

sam allardyce has done a brilliant job and some of you fans should realise this - without him we wouldnt even be playing the likes of manchester united - okay the scoreline was embarrasing - the performance was disappointing but sack the manager ? come on get a grip - one win and were in the top ten or there abouts ..seriously some fans think were better then what we actually are - we do well with what we have ...i look forward to january and who allardyce can sign

[imy9]

I could quote each point and drag this on all night, but Sam's pathetic excuse for our defeat doesn't deserve it.

We lost the first half with practically the same team who'd won the last few games. Sure, those players mentioned would have given us options, but they weren't available, and who's to say they would have played anyway since most of them are in and out of the team. We capitulated today and that's that. Some fans will eat any old crap the manager dishes up.

As opposed to the fans who will take a FACTUAL comment in a lengthy statement and try to insinuate that the manager is lying/misleading the owners.

"I would like to apologise to the Blackburn fans who made the journey because what they saw was not very good,"

"You might say the first goal was a foul on the keeper but it is neither here nor there because the referee didn't give it.

"That sort of defending was not good enough to cope with a Manchester United side that was full or running, flair and talent.

"In the end, they mesmerised us. It is not what we wanted or expected but we have to take it on the chin.

"What is important is how we fight back from it."

"We had been working under some restrictive conditions with the injuries that we've had and we've pulled out some very good results, but against United it all caught up with us and they punished us to the extreme."

I am quite happy with what Sam has said and expect a huge improvement in the next match.

[FourLaneBlue]

In Sam's own words:

"To be fair, a lot of what we wanted to do, we were restricted by our selection process. We've got Grella, Andrews, Nzonzi, Pedersen, Kalinic and Givet who weren't available for selection."

More or less the same team that beat Aston Villa, Newcastle & Wigan got tanked by half-time, so why wheel out excuses like Grella, Andrews and Nzonzi, who have barely played this season?

Perhaps because he, and his team, were completely humiliated? Short of apologising for the shocking nature of the defeat and coming up some lame half-excuses, what exactly did you expect?

[ABBEY]

11 GOALS shipped in last two away games

[Ricky]

Well spotted abbey.

Our last 5 games have been home to villa and Wigan, and away at Newcastle. Man U and spurs.

If I'd been offered 9 points from those games I'd have snapped your hand off!!

[FourLaneBlue]

11 GOALS shipped in last two away games

Sandwiched in between three wins.

You can use stats taken out of context to argue either side of the argument.

Nobody is even slightly amused by yesterday's humiliation. Ultimately, though, it is what happens over the course of a season that matters, and not what happens over a solitary 90 minutes.

[Hughesy]

11 GOALS shipped in last two away games

Against THE form team & then against the top of the league

Yes its not good I agree....but I dont see you bragging about a clean sheet last week when it happened either, instead you use the negatives to back up your arguement.

[ABBEY]

I gave credit last week!!!!!!!!1