[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[MarkBRFC71]

Allardyce is neither a guarantee of or against relegation. We're just as likely to go down with him in charge as not. Granted changing manager mid-season is not the best idea but then again we did it with Ince and survived from a far worse position.

And having read numerous interviews I wouldn't say the new owners appear 100%, unequivocally behind him - far from it.

Lose against Wolves and Bolton and I think he'll be clearing his desk.

[jim mk2]

We could be relegated because it's that kind of season - there's no definite relegation candiidates as yet. One thing is certain - if Allardyce cannot keep us up, no one will.

I fully expect Sam to be in charge next season unless he decides to walk for health reasons or because of interference from the new owners.

[MarkBRFC71]

Unless we qualify for Europe, I think it's almost certain that we'll start next season with a new manager. He's going to have to something pretty special to convince Venky's - and losing 7-1 is not the most auspicious start.

[Majiball]

Unless we qualify for Europe, I think it's almost certain that we'll start next season with a new manager. He's going to have to something pretty special to convince Venky's - and losing 7-1 is not the most auspicious start.

But the only way is up.

[jim mk2]

I think it's almost certain that we'll start next season with a new manager. He's going to have to something pretty special to convince Venky's .

Why ? The new owners seem sensible people and realistic about the club's standing and its potential. I'm sure they have also taken soundings within the game about the manager's good record and reputation in the game. They are also being advised by the current chairman who will I'm sure stress the importance of stability and not making change for the sake of it. Just because a few fans on a messageboard have an agenda against the manager does not mean that his position is not safe.

[den]

Allardyce is neither a guarantee of or against relegation.

That's great credit to Allardyce then isn't it, - considering where we were when he took over and the hand he's been dealt with selling players? I would have taken that situation, given where we were and how our negative transfer dealings would be thrust against him.

Granted changing manager mid-season is not the best idea but then again we did it with Ince and survived from a far worse position.

Another recommendation for Allardyce's appointment.

Don't get carried away here, there are plenty more Ince's of this world wanting the rovers job.

Unless we qualify for Europe, I think it's almost certain that we'll start next season with a new manager.

You might be right about that that Mark. The best thing that could have happened to Venky's was the 7-1 defeat. Now they will know the task ahead, if they didn't before.

Let's hope they're a bit more stable in their thinking than us on here.

[Majiball]

That's great credit to Allardyce then isn't it, - considering where we were when he took over and the hand he's been dealt with selling players? I would have taken that situation, given where we were and how our negative transfer dealings would be thrust against him.

Another recommendation for Allardyce's appointment.

Don't get carried away here, there are plenty more Ince's of this world wanting the rovers job.

Don't get me wrong I agree its the wrong move to look to replace Dr Sam. But i am getting fed up of the selling players part. Yes we sold RSC, but he barely played under Sam and Bentley was already gone. The man has had some 15million to spend and out of his signings Givet, Diouf & Salgado are about the only regular players who make a positive contribution. His transfer record with us is not that great so far and for me its an area he has to improve on. He came with a reputation of being a wheeler and dealer but most of the wheeling and dealing has been the players he's signed leaving.

Its a tough market in Jan and if he really is armed with less than we signed Kalinic for then it really will be time for this talent to come to fruition and the fore. He needs to pull out another Givet or two this Jan but in the form of a striker & midfielder.

The other part we need to consider is that one or two want out the door and whilst I'm not bothered about most of them, losing Roberts and then signing a player who can't cut the mustard? Well I just don't think that would do us any good at all.

[47er]

Allardyce is neither a guarantee of or against relegation. We're just as likely to go down with him in charge as not. Granted changing manager mid-season is not the best idea but then again we did it with Ince and survived from a far worse position.

And having read numerous interviews I wouldn't say the new owners appear 100%, unequivocally behind him - far from it.

Lose against Wolves and Bolton and I think he'll be clearing his desk.

No logic there. We survived Ince ONLY BECAUSE Sam took over. I've read loads of posts which stated that almost anyone could have done it but I never believed them. And whether we are more or less likely to go down without him would depend on who was chosen to be his successor.

Given the years of experience and success Sam has had in the Premiership it would surely be a big risk to change him? Unless its Hughes of course.

The key to us staying up and prospering in this league is the amount of cash the new owners are willing to spend. Not even Sam could continue to keep us up without substantial funds.

Unless we qualify for Europe, I think it's almost certain that we'll start next season with a new manager. He's going to have to something pretty special to convince Venky's - and losing 7-1 is not the most auspicious start.

Dear oh dear-you're getting wilder by the minute! The owners themselves said they'd be happy with 10-12th!

[Majiball]

So don't sack Sam, but Sack him if we can get Hughes?

[47er]

So don't sack Sam, but Sack him if we can get Hughes?

I merely pointed out the huge risk involved in sacking Sam and can only think of one or two managers who wouldn't represent a risk. Hughes is one, Coyle would be another. Neither are likely to be available, ergo.......?

[Majiball]

I merely pointed out the huge risk involved in sacking Sam and can only think of one or two managers who wouldn't represent a risk. Hughes is one, Coyle would be another. Neither are likely to be available, ergo.......?

Don't mention them as it takes away weight from your argument.

And Hughes isn't exactly setting Fulham on fire 17th as things stand so you never know he maybe available soon.

[John]

Don't mention them as it takes away weight from your argument.

And Hughes isn't exactly setting Fulham on fire 17th as things stand so you never know he maybe available soon.

On Hughes - the league is very tight all over points wise and I don't think it is accurate to judge managers after a few months in charge.

[Gav]

Where do get that impression ? Certainly not from the club or itsnew owners while a few disgruntled posters on a messageboard plus some of your mates not liking him does not constitute a manager "on borrowed time with the clock ticking". Be careful what you wish for matey - this club is in safe hands with this manager.

You can't have it both ways Jim, you've posted recently that we're in serious danger of going down, now you’re saying “this club is in safe hands with this manager” which one is it?

I get that impression form the people I speak to, and also the tide is turning on here, even some of Allardyces more ardent supporters are beginning to question his decisions, and if he really is the man they thought he was.

I reiterate, I don't want him sacked yet, but if things don't improve drastically, then he'll be out of the door and I'll not shed any tears.

[Amo]

This month is massive and will tell us all we need to know about where we're headed under Sam this season. These will be priority fixtures in Sam's planner and therefore failure is not an option for the manager. With a good run of results, we should ride the rest out of the season out with Sam and replace him in the summer when his contract's up. I'm not Sam's biggest fan, and while I acknowledge he's done a good job, he will always cause division between the fans with his attitude towards the game. I want a manager who's going to bring the entertainment back to Ewood Park. I'm NOT talking about a total football masterclass week in, week out, but someone less stringent about how the game should be played. No more huge clearances into the box ad infinitum, no more poorly-taken long throws. Venky's should also be looking for a manager with a high-profile, since they're so intent on making us a worldwide product.

There will be life after Sam.

[philipl]

Given the financial constraints Venky's are operating under, it would be start staring bonkers to contemplate a change in manager at this stage.

My hope is that the pennies we have in January can re-balance the squad and allow the club to play a bit more entertainingly- no reason why this cannot be the case.

[alexanders]

I think it is funny that Roy Hodgson is doing a terrible job with Liverpool this year after doing a very good job with Fulham last season.

Mark Hughes is doing a lousy job with Fulham who Hodgson did good with.

Which one is worse ?

[beerwins]

Given the financial constraints Venky's are operating under, it would be start staring bonkers to contemplate a change in manager at this stage.

My hope is that the pennies we have in January can re-balance the squad and allow the club to play a bit more entertainingly- no reason why this cannot be the case.

Sam will not buy the players we want or expect to see nothing more surer, he will opt for some giant up front and some has been midfielder, that is the main reason in my eyes that 5 million is the figure that has been quoted for January.

I would'nt blame them either for only trusting Sam with that, his transfer dealings have not been very good at all, we cant afford to buy luxury players for 6 million pounds who dont even fit the system he wants play, totally shocking buy.

[Gav]

I'm not Sam's biggest fan, and while I acknowledge he's done a good job, he will always cause division between the fans with his attitude towards the game. I want a manager who's going to bring the entertainment back to Ewood Park. I'm NOT talking about a total football masterclass week in, week out, but someone less stringent about how the game should be played. No more huge clearances into the box ad infinitum, no more poorly-taken long throws.

There will be life after Sam.

Great post.

[John]

Think some are getting confused with the potential money at our disposal now - it appears it is still going to be low compared with other clubs therefore buying players who can provide more "entertainment" will be very difficult.

Venky's should also be looking for a manager with a high-profile, since they're so intent on making us a worldwide product.

Wonder which high-profile manager we will be able to attract with a £5 million transfer budget....

[joey_big_nose]

I think it is funny that Roy Hodgson is doing a terrible job with Liverpool this year after doing a very good job with Fulham last season.

Mark Hughes is doing a lousy job with Fulham who Hodgson did good with.

Which one is worse ?

I think the bottom line is you can't really judge until you have a couple of seasons at the club. Hughes didn't look any great shakes at Rovers a third of the way into the first season. Neither did Hodgson at Fulham.

I'm pretty sure if they are backed both will do decently for their clubs.

[John]

I think the bottom line is you can't really judge until you have a couple of seasons at the club. Hughes didn't look any great shakes at Rovers a third of the way into the first season. Neither did Hodgson at Fulham.

I'm pretty sure if they are backed both will do decently for their clubs.

Crazy (or maybe not considering the garbage some are talking) that some are judging the abilities of managers after 15 games in charge of a club - Hughes for example did not have a full pre-season with Fulham and most managers regard pre-season as a key aspect in preparing their team for the season.

[Amo]

Wonder which high-profile manager we will be able to attract with a £5 million transfer budget....

Michael Laudrup was very big on coming here, until we opted for Ince. Besides, we don't know exactly know how much Venky's are willing to spend, and you're not even factoring in the money from sales (Samba, Jones etc.), should the offers become too good to refuse.

[alexanders]

Michael Laudrup would be one of my first choices.

[Amo]

Michael Laudrup would be one of my first choices.

He's doing well with Mallorca, at the moment. I can't see him coming here, especially after being snubbed before.

[John]

Reading this thread, you would think we were cast adrift at the bottom of the table after spending a fortune on players in the summer.