[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[Al]

I'm not Allardyce's biggest fan, but I can't really fault his transfer market dealings. His only fault so far is misusing Kalinic - he's definitely a £6m+ talent.

The rest of the players he has brought in have been upgrades to what we've previously had.

Am I the only one that can't see £6mil of talent in Kalinik. No pace, doesn't score goals, can't dribble, poor decision making, can't hold up play, always on his arse. What is his talent?

No it is just Abbey being Abbey. Football rivalry. Not saying I agree with him. But he is entitled to his opinion, right or wrong. You only have to look at football players. There has not been that many players that have crossed the divide from burnley to Rovers or vice versa. One that springs to mind was keith Newton - I think that was his name. So if Abbey's comment sounds childish, it is actually practiced in the football world by grown up people. Right or wrong, strange maybe, but that is football rivalry and life.

Walter Joyce

Adam Blacklaw

John Connelly

off the top of my head.

[rovers_rob]

Am I the only one that can't see £6mil of talent in Kalinik. No pace, doesn't score goals, can't dribble, poor decision making, can't hold up play, always on his arse. What is his talent?

The lad seems to have the right attitude, he never gives up and he does have an eye for goal. I don't think he has had the service this season and he seems to get a run of 2 or 3 games then he is dropped.

He is still young and I have seen him have some decent games. I think he will step up eventually but 6 million does seem expensive for a player who will need another year or so to develop.

While he is young and learning I would like to see him up front with another striker but I doubt we will ever see another 442 formation while Sam is in charge.

[John]

Allardyce said: "We were punished heavily by a very good team.

"It's brought back home to everybody - but I already knew this - that we have been overachieving. It caught up with us because the squad was depleted and Manchester United were brilliant.

"We deservedly lost 7-1 but don't forget we have been working on a shoestring budget for a long time. That shoestring budget and lack of investment caught up with us last week”.

[booth]

Allardyce said: "We were punished heavily by a very good team.

"It's brought back home to everybody - but I already knew this - that we have been overachieving. It caught up with us because the squad was depleted and Manchester United were brilliant.

"We deservedly lost 7-1 but don't forget we have been working on a shoestring budget for a long time. That shoestring budget and lack of investment caught up with us last week”.

Oh dear. Nothing to do with trying to contain Utd for 90+ mins then?

So the excuse now for a 7-1 no show is that we've overachieved.

[Dufflite]

Oh dear. Nothing to do with trying to contain Utd for 90+ mins then?

So the excuse now for a 7-1 no show is that we've overachieved.

Thats not what he said at all. FFS why are folk on here willing to make themselves look so bloody stupid trying to twist BFS's words around.

Do you really need his quotes explaining in smaller words?

[RevidgeBlue]

"It's brought back home to everybody - but I already knew this - that we have been overachieving.

Very depressing when the manager sees chugging along at slightly over a point a game just above the relegation zone and just behind all three newly promoted sides as "overachieving"

Keeping our heads above water? Certainly.

Overachieving? Certainly not.

[tony gale's mic]

Very depressing when the manager sees chugging along at slightly over a point a game just above the relegation zone and just behind all three newly promoted sides as "overachieving"

Keeping our heads above water? Certainly.

Overachieving? Certainly not.

Last season we finished as close to a Champions' League place as we did to the water level (ie the relegation zone) - 20 points either side.

This season - well we'll see where we are after these December games but I have a feeling we'll be doing pretty well again.

[BuckyRover]

Thats not what he said at all. FFS why are folk on here willing to make themselves look so bloody stupid trying to twist BFS's words around.

Do you really need his quotes explaining in smaller words?

I don't agree with twisting his words, but as far as I can see, he did say we have been overachieving.

[Amo]

We'll always overachieve under Big Sam.

[LeChuck]

I don't agree with twisting his words, but as far as I can see, he did say we have been overachieving.

He did, but in the context of our spending. He's right, we have consistently spent the lowest in the PL, we can't keep doing that and survive.

He's basically reinforcing the point to the new owners that we need money to invest.

There are the usual people who will jump on every mark regardless of context though (not you aimed at you Bucky).

[booth]

Thats not what he said at all. FFS why are folk on here willing to make themselves look so bloody stupid trying to twist BFS's words around.

Do you really need his quotes explaining in smaller words?

Sorry Mrs Allardyce.

[MeanGreenMachine]

He did, but in the context of our spending. He's right, we have consistently spent the lowest in the PL, we can't keep doing that and survive.

He's basically reinforcing the point to the new owners that we need money to invest.

There are the usual people who will jump on every mark regardless of context though (not you aimed at you Bucky).

Would you trust him with x millions?

I bloody wouldnt.

[thenodrog]

Would you trust him with x millions?

I bloody wouldnt.

Who would you trust? Every manager makes good and bad buys, even Fergy and Wenger have dropped major clangers. Don't say Mark Hughes either cos he blotted his copybook at City when he paid over 40m for RSC and Lescott.

[47er]

Gizzza kiss

I was going to say 'I'd sooner kiss a gorilla" but would I notice the difference?

[Amo]

Who would you trust? Every manager makes good and bad buys, even Fergy and Wenger have dropped major clangers. Don't say Mark Hughes either cos he blotted his copybook at City when he paid over 40m for RSC and Lescott.

Different ballgame at City though, Drog... if you know what I mean. He had a blank chequebook at hand, and he had faith in Roque after working with him here. In terms of financial blunders at Rovers, I can't think of any from Hughes atm. People mention Ooijer, but he was only £2m and became a loyal servant to the club.

[Majiball]

He did, but in the context of our spending. He's right, we have consistently spent the lowest in the PL, we can't keep doing that and survive.

He's basically reinforcing the point to the new owners that we need money to invest.

There are the usual people who will jump on every mark regardless of context though (not you aimed at you Bucky).

How big is our wage budget compared to everyone else's?

Its not just about the fees you pay as this comment seems to be insinuating. We pay bloody good wages and as JW has said that is the main correlator in league position, not fees.

[Commondore]

How big is our wage budget compared to everyone else's?

Its not just about the fees you pay as this comment seems to be insinuating. We pay bloody good wages and as JW has said that is the main correlator in league position, not fees.

Index 1: The league average spending on wages and transfers.

Arsenal – 1,17

Aston Villa – 1,45

Birmingham – 0,82

Blackburn – 0,64

Blackpool – 0,35

Bolton – 0,52

Chelsea – 2,16

Everton – 0,68

Fulham – 0,65

Liverpool – 2,18

Man City – 3,79

Man United – 1,54

Newcastle – 0,77

Stoke – 0,96

Sunderland – 1,05

Tottenham – 0,97

West Bromwich – 0,56

West Ham – 1,11

Wigan – 0,62

Wolves – 0,74

[FourLaneBlue]

Allardyce is neither a guarantee of or against relegation. We're just as likely to go down with him in charge as not. Granted changing manager mid-season is not the best idea but then again we did it with Ince and survived from a far worse position.

What on earth are you blathering on about??? We are categorically NOT "just as likely to go down with him in charge as not." That's just rubbish, isn't it? This is the same manager that has NEVER been relegated, isn't it? That kept up a weak Bolton side, and also us after Ince. Can you back up your statement with any reasonable arguments? It doesn't make sense one iota.

No manager can guarantee we always avoid relegation. I think, however, that in our situation Sam is as likely as anyone. It won't be pretty mind I would never say that...

We're thirteenth in the table with the next three games against Wolves, Bolton and West Ham. This after once again spending the least money in the league. We are four points clear of relegation, whereas when Sam came we were four points away

I'm sorry but you'd have to be gambling without need to change a successful manager mid-season. For, the truth is, that it has been a success to keep us up after the Ince debacle, and follow that up with a semi-final and a top-half (OK, only just...) finish.

If a manager is to go it should be either in dire straits (Ince), or when the team is safe.

[Stuart]

It's starting to grate that Sam is completely above criticism because of what he did last season and the season before.

It wasn't hard for ANY manager to follow P*** I*** and everyone accepted the negative percentage football because we were on our knees.

Last season, but for a bit of final day luck, we could have just as easily finished 13th as 10th. And for reasons apart from finance I sometimes wish we had.

I'm not suggesting for one minute sacking Sam but if Sam is our Megson then let's not think we have no chance of a Coyle in the future.

Sam will leave at some point. I'd prefer that point to be on our terms than Sam's. Otherwise we end up where we where when Hughes left.

[Ricky]

Final day luck.... What's lucky about going away to villa, playing well and winning??

At the end of the day a league table doesn't lie. We were 10th last season on merit.

Now I do actually agree with you that sam should not be able to rest on his morals, and should be judged on the present season. It's been an up and down season so far but at the end of the day we are mid table after a net spend of naff all in the summer.

[gumboots]

Final day luck.... What's lucky about going away to villa, playing well and winning??

At the end of the day a league table doesn't lie. We were 10th last season on merit.

Now I do actually agree with you that sam should not be able to rest on his morals, and should be judged on the present season. It's been an up and down season so far but at the end of the day we are mid table after a net spend of naff all in the summer.

Laurels!!! Meaning what he's done in the past as in those greek and roman athletes etc who used to get crowns of laurel wreaths when they won something

[Ricky]

Blame that one on just waking up gumboots.

Not too sharp after a night of watching the ashes until 4am

[PAFELL]

Thats not what he said at all. FFS why are folk on here willing to make themselves look so bloody stupid trying to twist BFS's words around.

Do you really need his quotes explaining in smaller words?

Over acheiving is what Sam has been quoted as saying. Well according to sky text. He has also said - in the same interview - that now the club is under new ownership that there will be changes in January.

[DanLad]

Over acheiving is what Sam has been quoted as saying. Well according to sky text. He has also said - in the same interview - that now the club is under new ownership that there will be changes in January.

We've been over achieving, but there will be changes in January.

Presumably that means we will start underachieving?

[Majiball]

Index 1: The league average spending on wages and transfers.

Arsenal – 1,17

Aston Villa – 1,45

Birmingham – 0,82

Blackburn – 0,64

Blackpool – 0,35

Bolton – 0,52

Chelsea – 2,16

Everton – 0,68

Fulham – 0,65

Liverpool – 2,18

Man City – 3,79

Man United – 1,54

Newcastle – 0,77

Stoke – 0,96

Sunderland – 1,05

Tottenham – 0,97

West Bromwich – 0,56

West Ham – 1,11

Wigan – 0,62

Wolves – 0,74

Thanks for that. what exactly does it mean and when is it from?