[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[Darwen Rover]

Performances are improving though aren't they.. Newcastle... Villa... Wolves...

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

Does the quality of the playing staff have no bearing at all? Would a different manager turn this squad into one of creativity and more goals - if so, how?

Agree with you there, he inherited a squad of mediocre talent. As I have said, he was the best man to get us into new ownership. If he's backed considerably in the transfer market by the owners then it would be interesting to see if his targets would provide a more attacking edge. I am not screaming for his head, indeed I would be hard pressed to think of a replacement. Too many fans are fed up with his approach though, unless he wins the fa cup or something this year, I don't know how he will get all the fans onside.

That's my 2 penneth on the subject!

[Hughesy]

Credit for the win but 3-0? Another awful boring game and as for the negativity from Sam actually stopping an attack and making us turn a genuune attack into a backpass buggers belief. And before anyone accuses me of booing ..it wasn't me !

When going forward with the ball I agree we shouldnt be looking to stop, go back and just pass it around the defence...we should still attack, however we should not get daft, and our defence & shape should reign in abit.

However I do not condone any change in tactics to be more defensive in terms of positions. As a clean sheet is important to at least 5 of our players.

Whats better 4-1 or 3-0? Confidence for the keeper & defence after 7 against id say, so 3-0.

[ABBEY]

When going forward with the ball I agree we shouldnt be looking to stop, go back and just pass it around the defence...we should still attack, however we should not get daft, and our defence & shape should reign in abit.

However I do not condone any change in tactics to be more defensive in terms of positions. As a clean sheet is important to at least 5 of our players.

Whats better 4-1 or 3-0? Confidence for the keeper & defence after 7 against id say, so 3-0.

er 4-1 is better .look it up.goal difference then goals scored.

[den]

Agree with you there, he inherited a squad of mediocre talent. As I have said, he was the best man to get us into new ownership. If he's backed considerably in the transfer market by the owners then it would be interesting to see if his targets would provide a more attacking edge. I am not screaming for his head, indeed I would be hard pressed to think of a replacement. Too many fans are fed up with his approach though, unless he wins the fa cup or something this year, I don't know how he will get all the fans onside.

That's my 2 penneth on the subject!

He wont get the fans on his side Windy. Most of them had made their mind up before he stepped into Ewood park, and wont change their views whatever happens on the park.

Sam aint gonna be here forever, none of 'em are. My real fears aren't about Allardyce and where he will take us, but who the next manager is and where he'll take us. Most of the folk who would have him out now, seemingly don't know the answer to that one either.

[chris]

He wont get the fans on his side Windy. Most of them had made their mind up before he stepped into Ewood park, and wont change their views whatever happens on the park.

Sam aint gonna be here forever, none of 'em are. My real fears aren't about Allardyce and where he will take us, but who the next manager is and where he'll take us. Most of the folk who would have him out now, seemingly don't know the answer to that one either.

Well I thought that after Souness and Hughes did very well.

but you can't really think that far ahead as everyone has the same problem.

What will United do after Sir Alex, Arsenal and Wenger.

What will Liverpool do after Benitez?................oh wait they got the manager that took us down.

Anyway new managers are always a risk. Sure Sam has a good few years left.

[den]

Well I thought that after Souness and Hughes did very well.

but you can't really think that far ahead as everyone has the same problem.

What will United do after Sir Alex, Arsenal and Wenger.

What will Liverpool do after Benitez?................oh wait they got the manager that took us down.

Anyway new managers are always a risk. Sure Sam has a good few years left.

Yeah and after Jim Smith we got Jim Iley. and after Mark Hughes we got Paul Ince.

I accept your point though Chris. My only problem is that Hughes and Smith walked away, while some fans want to sack Allardyce. That's a totally different scenario and means if that were to happen, we might very well be inflicting harm on our club, not because results are poor, but simply because he's not "liked".

[Laurence]

Just seen this headline in the LET:

Allardyce: Thrashing left me exhausted

Thought there might be some Max Mosely-style goings-on, but sadly not.

Or perhaps its a good thing I'm not sure I could cope with the imagery that comes to mind.........

[Gav]

He wont get the fans on his side Windy. Most of them had made their mind up before he stepped into Ewood park, and wont change their views whatever happens on the park.

Sam aint gonna be here forever, none of 'em are. My real fears aren't about Allardyce and where he will take us, but who the next manager is and where he'll take us. Most of the folk who would have him out now, seemingly don't know the answer to that one either.

Not sure thats the case really Den.

If Allardyce had us playing decent football and approached away games differently I'd change my mind in an instant and respect the guy for changing his philosophy. But we all know that just won’t happen, it can’t happen, why should he change a winning formula in his eyes.

I’m not to concerned who we employ next, hopefully we’ll have a few quid to play with so that widens the catchment area.

[John]

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[Andy]

er 4-1 is better .look it up.goal difference then goals scored.

You've completely missed the point he was making.

[ABBEY]

You've completely missed the point he was making.

why? Go on show me where I'm wrong..4-1 IS better than than three nil..???????

[JoeBlueWhite]

why? Go on show me where I'm wrong..4-1 IS better than than three nil..???????

Are you just trying to be obtuse or are you just a bit simple ?

Try reading the next sentence in his post.

"Confidence for the keeper & defence after 7 against id say, so 3-0."

[ABBEY]

Are you just trying to be obtuse or are you just a bit simple ?

Try reading the next sentence in his post.

"Confidence for the keeper & defence after 7 against id say, so 3-0."

who the frig are you to call me simple..pillock.....I will say it slowly for you 4-1 IS better than 3-0...if its goal differences are level then its goals scored ffs!

Would you rather qualify for Europe by goals scored or fail and say oh it doesn't matter because the defences confidence was good against wolves...and get stuffed with the personal insults!

[JoeBlueWhite]

You still seem to be completely missing his point but anyway....

I apologize for suggesting you are simple. I believe the politically correct term nowadays is you have a learning disability.

[K-Hod]

Allardyce is the master of self-promotion and is a marmite type when it comes to management, in my view he's just the lesser of about a thousand evils. At any rate, only Rovers could win 3-0 at home as a response to a 7-1 mauling and still have whingeing fans. Unbelievable.

[PAFELL]

You still seem to be completely missing his point but anyway....

I apologize for suggesting you are simple. I believe the politically correct term nowadays is you have a learning disability.

I must be in the same boat as well. I have believed for years that 4 is a higher number than 3. Silly me. All these years I thought if I had 4 of something and another person had 3 that I had the most. Damn teachers taught me wrong.

[ABBEY]

You still seem to be completely missing his point but anyway....

I apologize for suggesting you are simple. I believe the politically correct term nowadays is you have a learning disability.

another brave keyboard hardman.

[chris]

Yeah and after Jim Smith we got Jim Iley. and after Mark Hughes we got Paul Ince.

I accept your point though Chris. My only problem is that Hughes and Smith walked away, while some fans want to sack Allardyce. That's a totally different scenario and means if that were to happen, we might very well be inflicting harm on our club, not because results are poor, but simply because he's not "liked".

I see, yeah your right the grass would probably not be greener.

and Harford, what a nightmare, how anyone can take a club from top of the league to 20th in 16 months, I'll never get over it.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Yeah and after Jim Smith we got Jim Iley. and after Mark Hughes we got Paul Ince.

I accept your point though Chris. My only problem is that Hughes and Smith walked away, while some fans want to sack Allardyce. That's a totally different scenario and means if that were to happen, we might very well be inflicting harm on our club, not because results are poor, but simply because he's not "liked".

After Quigley we got Furphy; after Furphy we got Lee; after Lee we got Smith; after Iley we got Kendall. Sam will go one day, by his own choice or not, and we will get another manager, just as we always have. He might be better or worse, just like they always have been. I really don't get the fear that many seem to have beyond Sam, especially as we have new owners and hopefully a new level of funding.

I think there are very few fans who want to sack Allardyce right now, but there seem to be a lot who want him to make some changes even though we all know he won't. We can live in hope though, which is what being a football fan is all about.

[jim mk2]

Fans might Allardyce to "make changes" but why should he change a tried and tested formula that works for him and brings good results ? I live in hope that fans get off the manager's back, recognise the good job he is doing and rejoice in the fact that Rovers continue to defy the critics and economic logic by continuing to dine at football's top table.

[Amo]

Fans might Allardyce to "make changes" but why should he change a tried and tested formula that works for him and brings good results ? I live in hope that fans get off the manager's back, recognise the good job he is doing and rejoice in the fact that Rovers continue to defy the critics and economic logic by continuing to dine at football's top table.

He's done a good job, but that doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement.

I live in hope that some fans get out of the manager's ass.

[CrazyIvan]

He's done a good job, but that doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement.

I live in hope that some fans get out of the manager's ass.

I live in hope that there's a bit of balance about people rather than the all or nothing approach. Big Sam is not perfect but he's a darned site better than what we could have ended up with. I also live in hope that people will be objective rather than letting their own opinion colour what they see. I'll live in hope until I die because people are people and it's not going to happen.

The criticism of Big Sam on here borders on the obsessive. Any little thing is seen as something to beat him up verbally with. It's tiresome and boring. If there were people blindly defending Sam to the hilt it would be understandable but there hasn't been. Most people defending Sam are doing so because the criticism is sometimes unrealistic and other times outrageous. Big Sam gets criticism for us winning a game 3 - 0, how bonkers is that? Losing 7 - 1, yes there can be some justification then but winning 3 - 0? Criticise when there is something REAL to talk about but don't make mountains out of mole-hills just for the sake of it.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

Chap at work commented on the fact that at no time during the game did the Blackburn end chant 'Big Sams blue & white army'. TBH I can't remember if this was right or not but quite telling if true.

[cn174]

Chap at work commented on the fact that at no time during the game did the Blackburn end chant 'Big Sams blue & white army'. TBH I can't remember if this was right or not but quite telling if true.

Tbf at hardly any time during the game did the Blackburn End chant anything!!