[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[den]

Bolton were nowhere near as bad as you're trying to imply, they played some good football

and nor were rovers Aggy.

[den]

He plays the same style of football wherever he goes. Bolton, Newcastle and Blackburn all hoofed it up to the front man and played the percentages. Nothing wrong with having a brand of football, but it irritates me when he shys away from it like that.

Really? Always?

It's only a short while ago that the Allardyce haters had to change tack, and were arguing that the good passing football was due to Sam suddenly deciding it was better to play the ball on the ground.

[John]

Very gracious comments from Big Sam, does not seem too bitter considering. Seems like he geuinely enjoyed his time here working closely with JW.

[XLM]

Read the NOTW article.

Sam explains how he got the boot - call from JW and when he heard the tone of JW's voice he knew something was up - he went into JW's office and JW said he has instructions to terminate his contract along with Neil McDonald's. Sam asked why and the response was there is not really a reason but the owners just feel they need to go in a different direction.

Sam proud of his time here working in incredibly difficult financial conditions.

Says the style of football was down to the players he had at his disposal here - he can't make sense of the sacking....

Trouble is nothing is ever Sam's fault, the world is always against him and he deserves to be England manager...yadda yadda.

If I owned Rovers I wouldn't want him as my manager, I'd like to see decent football. Most owners aren't fans, they don't have the emotional connection that means winning is life and death, that happens, but owners generally move on or are faceless shareholders. It is not unreasonable to see the club as a reflection of the owner and when did we last get anything better from the media than grudging respect?

Sam did a job after the Ince debacle but long term? Sadly Sam's way will not change no matter who he has in the team and I can understand the owners not wanting to give him money to spend. So thanks and goodbye.

Before the backlash comes, it isn't a choice between Sam's way or relegation.

[Jimmy612]

Trouble is nothing is ever Sam's fault, the world is always against him and he deserves to be England manager...yadda yadda.

If I owned Rovers I wouldn't want him as my manager, I'd like to see decent football. Most owners aren't fans, they don't have the emotional connection that means winning is life and death, that happens, but owners generally move on or are faceless shareholders. It is not unreasonable to see the club as a reflection of the owner and when did we last get anything better from the media than grudging respect?

Sam did a job after the Ince debacle but long term? Sadly Sam's way will not change no matter who he has in the team and I can understand the owners not wanting to give him money to spend. So thanks and goodbye.

Before the backlash comes, it isn't a choice between Sam's way or relegation.

Wanna bet? What odds are you offering?

[rovers_rob]

I find it amazing how many people around here suddenly think Sam is the messiah.

Even when we were 3-0 up against wolves fans were booing Sam because he told Diouf to keep hold of the ball and then he took a complete kicking for his negative tactics.

After speaking to a few people at the ground yesterday the feeling was that he was always going to go but the timing was strange.

Most people I spoke to were pleased that he had gone as well because they were fed of of the boring negative tactics and the zonal hoof ball that we used to play.

[Steve Moss]

Sam did a job after the Ince debacle but long term? Sadly Sam's way will not change no matter who he has in the team and I can understand the owners not wanting to give him money to spend. So thanks and goodbye.

The goodbye should have come in the summer, when there is time to minimize disruption. One changes things when there exists an ability to improve. We have neither improved on the pitch nor in the backroom. In fact, based on Saturday it can be argued that we've gone backward.

Before the backlash comes, it isn't a choice between Sam's way or relegation.

I would have believed you if they had immediately brought in a Grade A proven manager. They haven't done that. This seems most similar to at Newcastle when Ashley let Sam go at a similiar time of year and when Newcastle was sitting 11th. I'm incredibly apprehensive.

[bigbrandjohn]

Interesting perspective

http://www.sportingpreview.com/prem_news/10110464.php?

There is also a classic Rod Liddle piece in the Sunday Times. Gotta love a Millwall fan calling Grant, Agent Grant.

[Gav]

Really? Always?

It's only a short while ago that the Allardyce haters had to change tack, and were arguing that the good passing football was due to Sam suddenly deciding it was better to play the ball on the ground.

Absolute tosh Den, the one thing about the anti-Allardyce brigade in the main was consistency. We hated his style of football from day one, but understood needs must in the early days, to remain in the premiership.

If we played decent football, which we did towards the end of last season, we gave credit, unlike the new breed of poster, that’s appeared over the past 3-4 yrs, who seem incapable of seeing the world from other posters points of view, sad really.

Please don’t end up changing your name to D55, E17 or 34ERS please Den, because then you’ll have really sold out and we can’t have that pal

[den]

Please don’t end up changing your name to D55, E17 or 34ERS please Den, because then you’ll have really sold out and we can’t have that pal

Sounds like a list of vitamin supplements!

Absolute tosh Den, the one thing about the anti-Allardyce brigade in the main was consistency. We hated his style of football from day one, but understood needs must in the early days, to remain in the premiership.

If we played decent football, which we did towards the end of last season, we gave credit, unlike the new breed of poster, that’s appeared over the past 3-4 yrs, who seem incapable of seeing the world from other posters points of view, sad really.

I'll give you the "consistency" bit Gav. Consistently against Sam from before he even stepped into the club and continued up until the day he was sacked. My comment was aimed towards those that continually said we never played anything but hoofball -and when we did actually play good football used even that against him, with comments about him eventually understanding how football should be played.

You can't deny Gav, that for a lot of rovers fans, Allardyce never stood an earthly.

[John]

Looking back, one thing often forgotten about Sam is his man management skills - there is no doubt he created a first class team spirit during his time here and also used innovative techniques when he first came in (Jamil Qureshi).

He controlled the dressing room and there were very few instances of "unrest" which can be typcial at a lot of other clubs these days.

[sparkspakespoke]

Looking back, one thing often forgotten about Sam is his man management skills - there is no doubt he created a first class team spirit during his time here and also used innovative techniques when he first came in (Jamil Qureshi).

He controlled the dressing room and there were very few instances of "unrest" which can be typcial at a lot of other clubs these days.

Loving how short peoples memories are, history is literally being rewritten. Tell me how long ago was it that there was a dressing room lock in following the Man City loss and the mothero f all arguments involving Sam and many senior members of the squard, partically Dunn?

[47er]

Absolute tosh Den, the one thing about the anti-Allardyce brigade in the main was consistency. We hated his style of football from day one, but understood needs must in the early days, to remain in the premiership.

If we played decent football, which we did towards the end of last season, we gave credit, unlike the new breed of poster, that’s appeared over the past 3-4 yrs, who seem incapable of seeing the world from other posters points of view, sad really.

Please don’t end up changing your name to D55, E17 or 34ERS please Den, because then you’ll have really sold out and we can’t have that pal

Absolute travesty of a post from you. You were against the manager before he was appointed and never wavered. Occasionally you said something good about him to restore your credibility, given the results he was achieving, but you were never going to accept him. You got what you always wanted and look what's happening.

[sambo]

The two wins vs Burnley stand out for me from his reign. Especially at Turf Moor, the players looked ridiculously up for it - the celebrations at the end were telling. The management in those games was excellent, and Big Sam obviously instilled the perfect mindset for the players for those games. The fans played a massive part too with the fantastic atmospheres, but nobody can doubt Big Sam's record in the big games. The contrast with Laws was astounding, Big Sam got it spot on - his use of Olsson that day was superb.

[John]

Think Ryan Nelsen's comments sum things up pretty well.

[Bobby G]

When the in-effect club captain comes out to say these things, the owners better stand up and listen hard.

If some people think some fans on these boards are running away with things and getting ahead of themselves, then the same must be true of players such as Nelsen ay?

Everyone from top to bottom is worried about our club and there are only a few, a minority, that seem to be very relaxed about things.

[bob fleming]

Sam going back into double glazing?

[Bobby G]

Not even a million pound PR campaign could have put Sam out in the light he is in now. The only "winner", in a strange affair.

[Gav]

Absolute travesty of a post from you . You were against the manager before he was appointed and never wavered. Occasionally you said something good about him to restore your credibility, given the results he was achieving, but you were never going to accept him. You got what you always wanted and look what's happening.

Again you've fallen at the first hurdle 47er by throwing around statements that have no evidence or foundation whatsoever.

I WAS ALL FOR THE APPOINMENT OF ALLARDYCE AFTER THE INCE DEBABLCE.

Try keeping up, and stop being such a bleedin drama queen, its only been 1 game since he left.

[cruz]

Somehow Fat Sham's reputation has gone from ultra conservative long ball surrender monkey into a multi-european cup winning God purely by being sacked for being the former

[Jimmy612]

Again you've fallen at the first hurdle 47er by throwing around statements that have no evidence or foundation whatsoever.

I WAS ALL FOR THE APPOINMENT OF ALLARDYCE AFTER THE INCE DEBABLCE.

Try keeping up, and stop being such a bleedin drama queen, its only been 1 game since he left.

Your credibility is blitzed by your own admission Gav.

BEFORE Ince was appointed you were dead against Allardyce being our manager? Remember Facebook? You realised your mistake too late and unfortunately, no unforgivably you did not learn a thing from it. Your opinions should be subject to as much ridicule as Vinjays. Staceys too for that matter!

[Gav]

Your credibility is blitzed by your own admission Gav.

BEFORE Ince was appointed you were dead against Allardyce being our manager? Remember Facebook? You realised your mistake too late and unfortunately, no unforgivably you did not learn a thing from it. Your opinions should be subject to as much ridicule as Vinjays. Staceys too for that matter!

You're clearly on the wind up 'Mr 34 posts since 2008'

Nice try, but using facebook as bait had you falling at the first hurdle also, like your mate 47er

If you can find me, or find that I've ever been on facebook, I'll buy your season ticket next season.

[47er]

I WAS ALL FOR THE APPOINMENT OF ALLARDYCE AFTER THE INCE DEBABLCE.

Try keeping up, and stop being such a bleedin drama queen, its only been 1 game since he left.

I would like to see proof of that. All I recall is your absolute support for your mates Waggy and Abbey every time they aimed their neanderthal comments at BFS.

And whats only 1 game since he left to do with anything? A turnip could see the club is in turmoil after one week largely due to events OFF the pitch (although Saturday's display has only deepened the gloom).

You think everything is OK then?

[Gav]

I would like to see proof of that. All I recall is your absolute support for your mates Waggy and Abbey every time they aimed their neanderthal comments at BFS.

Well its not up to me to prove anything 47er, you said I was against the manager before he was appointed, attributing comments to me that are factually incorrect.

I supported Waggys right to voice his opinion, when a section of the new breed of posters thought he wasn’t entitled to do so. He was indeed against the manager before his appointment, but Abbey, like me, gave Allardyce a chance and it took a while for us to turn against him fully, although after the away game at Stoke in his first season I think I really gave up on him, which wasn't long granted.

As for everything being ok, I think its to early to judge, but as I said on another thread, I am a little concerned about the direction the club seems to be taking.

[Mattyblue]

Well its not up to me to prove anything 47er, you said I was against the manager before he was appointed, attributing comments to me that are factually incorrect.

I supported Waggys right to voice his opinion, when a section of the new breed of posters thought he wasn’t entitled to do so. He was indeed against the manager before his appointment, but Abbey, like me, gave Allardyce a chance and it took a while for us to turn against him fully, although after the away game at Stoke in his first season I think I really gave up on him, which wasn't long granted.

As for everything being ok, I think its to early to judge, but as I said on another thread, I am a little concerned about the direction the club seems to be taking.

End of the day GAV, you are entitled to your opinion on Allardyce, mine was the opposite of yours, that's football!

But you are a long standing and passionate Blue, are you not more than a 'little concerned' about the antics of the last week, a week that has trashed the good name of Blackburn Rovers and ruined 20 years of stability?