[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[Majiball]

The difference being that Sam's two were backroom boys in Sam's management team whilst Ferguson's two were players. In fact none of Ferguson's erstwhile Managerial backroom boys have made a go of it anywhere else.

Carlos Quieroz - Madrid and then Portugal.

[philipl]

Queroz boobed at Real Madrid.

Plus Ferguson now has two failures in Ince and Keane to Sam's one in Lee.

[Majiball]

Queroz boobed at Real Madrid.

Plus Ferguson now has two failures in Ince and Keane to Sam's one in Lee.

Ok his son Darren.

Henning Berg, has to be added in, Laurent Blanc can go in as well.

Gordon Strachan.

Billy Stark

Frank Mcgarvey

Willy Miller

Viv Anderson

Neil Webb

Brian Kidd

Bryan Robson

And thats just using Wiki, Fergie has produced far more coaches/mangers

[The Prof.]

In the last week I have to say I have quite enjoyed BS jostling with City. His latest comments, time is up for City, only puts more pressure on MH.

A couple of weeks ago he was asked about the pressure MH was putting on him, I think his reply was, he couldn't or he does not know how to.

What ever our fans think about Sam, I can't see many getting one over on him.

As a figure head for the club I'm impressed, now turn the draws into wins and where on our way.

Good point. It's also quite useful to have unrest at City at any time but never more than now. I suspect they will keep out of the real relegation dogfight but it will remain close. Two 'easy' games against Middlesborough and Pompey this month but Euro games and a very tough March mean they will not go too far clear. It remains to be seen if:

a. The owners put up with Hughes - it's too late to be changing now surely.

b. The owners put up with Gary Cook.

Either way it's a mess and we got a double bonus for the next few months at least. A decent striker and unrest at a rival.

[philipl]

I deliberately narrowed it to current Premier League Managers.

On that level, Sam proudly stands on the same numbers as Ferguson .

[Ray-Von]

Ok his son Darren.

Henning Berg, has to be added in, Laurent Blanc can go in as well.

Gordon Strachan.

Billy Stark

Frank Mcgarvey

Willy Miller

Viv Anderson

Neil Webb

Brian Kidd

Bryan Robson

And thats just using Wiki, Fergie has produced far more coaches/mangers

Mark McGee springs to mind also.

[Majiball]

I deliberately narrowed it to current Premier League Managers.

On that level, Sam proudly stands on the same numbers as Ferguson .

Fair play, then. I didn't realise that.

I'm sure Sam will generate one or two more if he's around as long as Fergie. He should start training Tugay now.

[LeChuck]

Sir Alex has an advantage in that he's been in the game much longer, not many of Allardyce's ex-players will have retired yet.

Plus...you can argue it's much easier for ex-Man Utd players/staff to get jobs just by throwing that name on their CV (just ask Paul Ince!), whereas people like Phil Brown and Sbragia really have to work to get to the top.

[Majiball]

As they say "great minds"

[Kelbo]

Funny thing here about managers, the top players rarely succeed as managers, the ones who 'werent quite at the top' seem to do better, Martin O'Neill was not much above average, Allardyce was a bruiser and nothing more, Wenger? did he play??

Redknapp, average, Brown, average, Moyes, average and so on, people such as Adams, Ince, Southgate, Bobby Moore, Peter Shilton, Southgate, Bobby Charlton all had a go and failed.

There may be the odd exception but in the main average players become better managers.

[blue/white]

Carlos Quieroz - Madrid and then Portugal.

Boys,

Quieroz should not count (techically speaking) in this little comparison of progeny. Unlike the others in SRN's account, Quiroz he had a long CV in Europe and N. America before Ferguson brought him inhouse to cater to show pony Ron. Quieroz was mgr. of Portugal's U21's, mgr. of the NewYork franchise in the Minor League Soccer and many large setups (as someone mentioned RM).

[Eddie]

Hate to break it to you philipl,but Sbragia has also wotrked under Ferguson.

[Majiball]

Funny thing here about managers, the top players rarely succeed as managers, the ones who 'werent quite at the top' seem to do better, Martin O'Neill was not much above average, Allardyce was a bruiser and nothing more, Wenger? did he play??

Redknapp, average, Brown, average, Moyes, average and so on, people such as Adams, Ince, Southgate, Bobby Moore, Peter Shilton, Southgate, Bobby Charlton all had a go and failed.

There may be the odd exception but in the main average players become better managers.

Wenger was at Strausborg in France, not sure if he rose above the reserves, playing wise.

My sig states my feelings on the matter.

[John]

Just showed the highlights on Setanta Sports 2 - afterwards, presenter (Paul Dempsey) saying what a good job Sam is doing.

Bascially saying that he is great at the getting the best out of his players!!

[Amo]

My sig states my feelings on the matter.

I'd reword it. It reads quite awkwardly.

[Majiball]

I would but its a quote. Its awkward because the chap who said it was not English.

It should read "to be the best jockey in the world, must you have been a top race horse?"

But I like the meaning with which he said it.

[LeftWinger]

There may be the odd exception but in the main average players become better managers.

Isn't that just because there are more average players though? (If that makes sense).

[DE.]

Just showed the highlights on Setanta Sports 2 - afterwards, presenter (Paul Dempsey) saying what a good job Sam is doing.

Bascially saying that he is great at the getting the best out of his players!!

Robbie Earle was similarly full of praise last night on the shambles that is ITV... said he thought with Sam at the helm we'd definately not go down. Not that hos opinion really matters to me, but it was nice to hear.

[T4E]

I would but its a quote. Its awkward because the chap who said it was not English.

It should read "to be the best jockey in the world, must you have been a top race horse?"

But I like the meaning with which he said it.

Just add a quesiton mark.

[Majiball]

Just add a quesiton mark.

Will do boss!

[T4E]

Thanks dude.

[Iceman]

Proper coach, excellent manager, knows what he needs to do, knows where each player needs to play, and thats why we are doing well and are more organised now. Confidence is high, and the team spirit are tremendous. It makes a huge difference when we have a manager who has proper communication skills with the players, and the players knows exactly what their roles are.

[BuckyRover]

Isn't that just because there are more average players though? (If that makes sense).

Good work. I am sure if you did some analysis and looked at the percentage of top players to total players, and the percentage of top managers who were top players to total managers.

I expect it would be more or less the same.

[thenodrog]

Good work. I am sure if you did some analysis and looked at the percentage of top players to total players, and the percentage of top managers who were top players to total managers.

I expect it would be more or less the same.

Personally I think that the 'ordinary' players develop a much better work ethic, professional attitude and understanding of tactics very early in their careers, usually through necessity. Top players fall into the trap of thinking that their team can all play as well as they did in their pomp and frequently fail through lack of effort, application and attention to detail.

[mckenny16]

Capello was a top player in his heyday, and more recently Frank Rijkard was very good.

But these could be classed as exceptions, along with Zola, Mancini and Jürgen Klinsmann.