[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[Bennisfromheaven]

Funny thing here about managers, the top players rarely succeed as managers, the ones who 'werent quite at the top' seem to do better, Martin O'Neill was not much above average, Allardyce was a bruiser and nothing more, Wenger? did he play??

Redknapp, average, Brown, average, Moyes, average and so on, people such as Adams, Ince, Southgate, Bobby Moore, Peter Shilton, Southgate, Bobby Charlton all had a go and failed.

There may be the odd exception but in the main average players become better managers.

....Mark Hughes

[T4E]

Franz Beckenbauer?

[philipl]

All credit to Sam for achieving two things I didn't expect at all:

- an 8 game unbeaten run IMMEDIATELY after those 6 defeats on the bounce

- what seems to be a tremendous team spirit again amongst the Rovers players so quickly

[Ronin]

I seem to remember that Dalglish was pretty good as a player and not bad as a manager either (until he went to the St James' Park Manager's graveyard)

[Majiball]

I remember reading about Gazza taking a training session at kettering, he had real problems communicating. He couldn't understand why the players could not see what he saw on the training pitch.

To him they where basic simple things he did with instinct, to them it must have been very challenging.

[Sparky Marky]

Don't mean to doom monger but we're having a good run and we're still in the shyte....

[Manc Rover]

Wenger was at Strausborg in France, not sure if he rose above the reserves, playing wise.

My sig states my feelings on the matter.

Although not a flair player, Martin O'Neill was a top drawer water carrier type. 2 European cups in that role too! Destined to be a great manager

Johan Cruyff. One of the best players ever and won the lot at Barca and Ajax as a manager, but the Kaiser has to be the greatest player to manager.

[thenodrog]

Don't mean to doom monger but we're having a good run and we're still in the shyte....

..... with tough games coming up! Still 'the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step' and getting Sam was that step. I'll bet the board and trustees are bloody well kicking themselves!

Impossible to say for certain of course but seeing where Fulham, Everton and Wigan are in the Div I'd wager we'd up there with em but for the juvenile know-nowt interfering knobheads on facebook.

[tony gale's mic]

...remember theno Sam wasn't the only choice in the summer. The facebook petition was silly but it wasn't a petition to appoint Paul Ince.

[BuckyRover]

..... with tough games coming up! Still 'the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step' and getting Sam was that step. I'll bet the board and trustees are bloody well kicking themselves!

Impossible to say for certain of course but seeing where Fulham, Everton and Wigan are in the Div I'd wager we'd up there with em but for the juvenile know-nowt interfering knobheads on facebook.

I don't think anybody ever doubted Sam's ability to work wonders on a tight budget. I think the fear was of his particular brand of football and signings. I don't think that fear has subsided. In fact I would say it has been realised. I firmly stand by the opinion that Sam wouldn't be in such a deified position had he signed for us in the Summer. His style of football would have been immediately picked on. Right now it doesn't really matter because we are winning games and we werent before. But I really do think people will start to moan about it as soon as we are safe.

I think Blackburn fans like to think of themselves slighly superior to Bolton. We don't want to be down at their level.

But even saying all that we can moan all we like, if we are winning it doesn't really matter (or does it???)

[waggy]

we are unbeaten in 9,3 cup games.so really we are unbeaten in the league for 6 games,winning only 2.the problem with lardarse he has got the defence playing but we cannot turn the draws into wins,the remaining 7 wins look far away

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Sam is doing a damn sight better than that Paul Ince isn't he Waggy?.................we can firmly lay the clubs current position at the feet of 'your man' the Guvnor.

[Majiball]

we are unbeaten in 9,3 cup games.so really we are unbeaten in the league for 6 games,winning only 2.the problem with lardarse he has got the defence playing but we cannot turn the draws into wins,the remaining 7 wins look far away

Surely with 4 draws we only need 6 wins now? 41 should do it.

[LeChuck]

At least we've hit some form and sorted our defence out as well. There are quite a few teams around us (Portsmouth and Newcastle for example) who are horribly out of form and have major problems.

If we can keep Dunn and Grella fit for the majority if games then we'll be fine.

[waggy]

At least we've hit some form and sorted our defence out as well. There are quite a few teams around us (Portsmouth and Newcastle for example) who are horribly out of form and have major problems.

If we can keep Dunn and Grella fit for the majority if games then we'll be fine.

thats a massive if,why dunny played last night was beyond me.

[BRFC1995]

Don't mean to doom monger but we're having a good run and we're still in the shyte....

we were terminal 6 games ago, 5pts adrift...........and fairly certain stoke would beat any team ince put out. 10pts in 6 games has given us a real fighting chance that was'nt there before, confidence is up, defence works, strikers are scoring and tugay is back to his best controlling games when he comes off the bench.

boro and pompey don't look like they'll pick up 10pts between before the end of the season, every reason to be optimistic

[broadsword]

Newcastle don't look too healthy either.

But it's true, we're still in the muck.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

That is true beyond any doubt Bryan and you have to pray and hope we have not been given too high a mountain to climb by the previous utter disaster in charge.

[waggy]

That is true beyond any doubt Bryan and you have to pray and hope we have not been given too high a mountain to climb by the previous utter disaster in charge.

get over it,if rovers go down this season lardarse will be as much to blame as ince

[broadsword]

Does that mean if we stay up this season, that Ince takes part of the credit, waggy?

[Guest Kamy100]

get over it,if rovers go down this season lardarse will be as much to blame as ince

I'm afraid I don't agree with this.

Sam in effect took over Rovers at -5 points (we were 5 points of safety) that is the handicap that Ince left him with. If he can't get us out of it he will have to shoulder some blame but no where near as much as Ince who to be frank was walking disaster area. John Williams and the board will also have to take some of the blame for employing someone as incompetant as Ince and then wasting crucial games dithering as to whether to sack him or not.

[Kelbo]

Personally I think that the 'ordinary' players develop a much better work ethic, professional attitude and understanding of tactics very early in their careers, usually through necessity. Top players fall into the trap of thinking that their team can all play as well as they did in their pomp and frequently fail through lack of effort, application and attention to detail.

That is probably the answer, good thinking Batman!!

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

get over it,if rovers go down this season lardarse will be as much to blame as ince

No he wont Waggy,anybody with a straight thinking mind would disagree with that statement.So much damage was done under Ince that anyone coming into the club was faced with a very difficult task indeed.....even Allardyce cant walk on water.

Sam has turned this side around in no time and made us hard to beat once again and the football is much better,problem is every other b'stard around is winning games too!

[LeChuck]

But there will be hundreds of average/poor players who tried their hand at management and were useless.

In my view, the real answer is that there is absolutely no relation between being a player and being a manager. Being a manager requires completely different skills to being a player, there's no reason for the two to be linked. As soon as clubs realise this and appoint managers based on their managerial credentials and not playing ones the better.

[thenodrog]

thats a massive if,why dunny played last night was beyond me.

Psychology perhaps?