[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[Jason Rover]

ive never been more relaxed about facing a relegation battle.... we all know we have the players but after the ince period the mental side of our game had gone ...thus bring in the sports psychos..or whatever

no way will we go down

[Rovermatt]

The havoc wreaked by Ince's tenure is the reason we are where we are. If we played all season like we're playing now - steady, unspectacular - we would be well clear of the drop zone. The problem is that we were so far adrift under Ince that only consistent wins would drag us out of the mire. Our obvious limitations are never going to allow for that.

[No Nay Never]

ive never been more relaxed about facing a relegation battle.... we all know we have the players but after the ince period the mental side of our game had gone ...thus bring in the sports psychos..or whatever

no way will we go down

There lies the problem... Wake up man we are terrible

[thenodrog]

BFS has done better. The question is are people going to be that elated if we finish 18th instead of 19th? Because that's the situation right now. We have a fairly decent squad with players of the likes of Santa Cruz and McCarthy; Ince failed - fair enough, but BFS can't get us out of the mire either. With a good manager and the games we had, we should have been 13th-14th at least.

I'm sure we would have been but for facebook and impressionable numpty's. Give us your honest opinion Mr E .....if SA had been given the job last June instead of Ince do you think we would have more points or fewer points than we have now? Be honest.

[Mr. E]

I'm sure we would have been but for facebook and impressionable numpty's. Give us your honest opinion Mr E .....if SA had been given the job last June instead of Ince do you think we would have more points or fewer points than we have now? Be honest.

I'd say we would be doing better (not by that much), but then again no way could I have imagined he/the board would do so miserably in the transfer market this winter. We needed a central midfielder like a sinking ship needs a life-boat, but we got nothing. It remains a gaping hole in the team that blocks our play. Ince had very little money to spend too. By all accounts, our managers need to the best with what they've got - and so far we've been stuck in the relegation zone with both.

Even BFS is saying "we should have been well out of it by now", which points to a collective failure, one of which BFS is very much apart of. Not saying he can't turn it around - but this is our situation right now.

[47er]

I'd say we would be doing better (not by that much), but then again no way could I have imagined he/the board would do so miserably in the transfer market this winter. We needed a central midfielder like a sinking ship needs a life-boat, but we got nothing. It remains a gaping hole in the team that blocks our play. Ince had very little money to spend too. By all accounts, our managers need to the best with what they've got - and so far we've been stuck in the relegation zone with both.

Even BFS is saying "we should have been well out of it by now", which points to a collective failure, one of which BFS is very much apart of. Not saying he can't turn it around - but this is our situation right now.

More drivel. BFS has been part of a relegation battle because he inherited a side that had taken 17 points from 13 games and was 5 points adrift already.Sam's points total is NOT relegation form. Over a whole season it would have us comfortably in the top half. The only issue is whther he can make up the lost ground in time. You know this but you carry on with this garbage regardless.

[Mr. E]

More drivel. BFS has been part of a relegation battle because he inherited a side that had taken 17 points from 13 games and was 5 points adrift already.

Ince had the same side, and had quite the harder fixture list to start with.

You know this but you carry on with this garbage regardless.

Yeah, this is true, I'm just imagining the league table in my head, in reality we're not 18th. I don't understand people's argument here. If BFS cannot be blamed, then who can? If it is the squad, then you can't blame Ince either. It doesn't add up.

Unless the argument is that we had a good squad all-along, but somehow Ince devised training methods to completely ruin it in the few months he was in charge, to such an extent that the players can't even perform for future managers.

[47er]

Ince had the same side, and had quite the harder fixture list to start with.

Yeah, this is true, I'm just imagining the league table in my head, in reality we're not 18th. I don't understand people's argument here. If BFS cannot be blamed, then who can? If it is the squad, then you can't blame Ince either. It doesn't add up.

Unless the argument is that we had a good squad all-along, but somehow Ince devised training methods to completely ruin it in the few months he was in charge, to such an extent that the players can't even perform for future managers.

This is the most infantile line of argument I've ever seen on this list. Who's to blame ? Everyone knows but you. But here's a clue--the incompetant idiot who got sacked too late.

We are 18th because , at one stage, we had 13 points from 17 games and were leaking goals like a sieve. Remember Wigan-all over after 11 minutes. We are still trying to make up the ground Ince lost for us. I note you totally ignore the FACT that Sam's side has taken 14 points from 10 games which I repeat is NOT relegation form.

Sam deserves our whole-hearted support in this not the sniping you keep giving him.

[Mc Love]

BFS has done better. The question is are people going to be that elated if we finish 18th instead of 19th? Because that's the situation right now. We have a fairly decent squad with players of the likes of Santa Cruz and McCarthy; Ince failed - fair enough, but BFS can't get us out of the mire either. With a good manager and the games we had, we should have been 13th-14th at least.

Half the fault lies with Sam for having patience with the bigger oaf than Moko....and thats Roberts!!! He must be waiting to drop a division that way he stays at the club and becomes next seasons championship top goalscorer!

[allrovertheworld]

Ince had the same side, and had quite the harder fixture list to start with.

Yeah, this is true, I'm just imagining the league table in my head, in reality we're not 18th. I don't understand people's argument here. If BFS cannot be blamed, then who can? If it is the squad, then you can't blame Ince either. It doesn't add up.

Unless the argument is that we had a good squad all-along, but somehow Ince devised training methods to completely ruin it in the few months he was in charge, to such an extent that the players can't even perform for future managers.

Not sure where this has come from 'players can't even perform for future managers'??????????

Have you watched any Rovers games this year? Can you not see the improvements Sam has made? The team under Ince was shambolic. After the Wigan game I accepted we had a big chance of getting relegated no matter who took over as manager. I still think we can go down despite the improvements Sam has made, but that is just how the league is going this year. Our form since Sam took over has been very good, yes we have drawn games we should have won, but at the same would Ince have taken anything out of the games against City, Bolton at home and Boro, Sunderland away. I don't think he would have.

We all know wins are going to get us out of this and we have great opportunity next week against Fulham to put some teams right in it. Games at home to Portsmouth Spurs and West Brom also give us real chances to pick up points.

Lets remember Sam has been in the job for 3 months and look at the way we played last night, the work rate was outstanding, every single player gave their all for the club. Everton are so hard to breakdown and we had a few snatches at goal which we couldn't take. Next week is again a huge game but I think we can do it.

[Parsonblue]

If we are relegated - and we will do well to avoid it - the blame for me will rest at the door of Paul Ince. Not just because of his inability to get the squad playing but because he weakened the squad with his signings. We have very little money and yet the best part of £5 million was spent on Grella and Andrews - a midfield combination that has relegation written all over it. Both have struggled with the pace of the Premier League and Grella, of course, is never out of the treatment room. We have spent money on wages for Fowler - who contributed nothing during the time he was here. We have spent wages, and possibly a loan fee, for Carlos whose contribution has been less than impressive.

Big Sam has been given little to spend and yet has improved the position in terms of points and performances. He has not been able to bring in his own players - apart from Diouf and Givet - and yet has given us a chance of staying while working with a very small squad. If Sam had been given the job in the summer there is no way we would be in the mess we are now. If we do drop into the Championship it will be due the mistakes made by an inexperienced manager who got the job in the summer.

[jim mk2]

If we are relegated - and we will do well to avoid it - the blame for me will rest at the door of Paul Ince. Not just because of his inability to get the squad playing but because he weakened the squad with his signings.

Don't forget the executive who interviewed and appointed Ince.

[philipl]

Sam came into a situation five points adrift.

Ten games later (with a game played fewer than some of our rivals) we are one point adrift.

Gain another four points and five goals difference on 17th place again over the next ten games and we will be safe.

[den]

Parsonblue has got the situation right.

The damage was done in the summer and is pretty much irreversible. Allardyce is stuck with the squad that Ince left him. Selling our TWO best players and then bringing in SIX players of his own - none of whom was an improvement on what we already had. In fact, they were all a damn site worse. That, and nothing else, was our undoing.

Hopefully, all the guys who couldn't wait to get rid of that marred arse Bentley, fast enough, and all the guys who thought it was only fair to allow Brad to leave, realise that you sell your best players at a price - usually a rapid fall down the league table and eventual relegation. You can't replace your best players.

[LeChuck]

With Diouf and certainly Givet, we've seen the sort of quality we could have expected Allardyce to bring in the summer if he'd had the money to spend instead of Ince. They're a world apart from the likes of Andrews, Fowler, Grella, Simpson and Villanueva.

[Eddie]

Diouf looks OK, don't know what everyone has seen in him to be so impressed though. A bit of pace and a work ethic? His final ball has been inconsistent so far and he's yet to do anything above average in my mind. Room for optimism and he could turn into a great signing, but I don't think we can put him into the "good signing" category quite yet.

[Majiball]

If Givet and Diouf are what we can expect from Sam signing wise, it will be interesting to see what he can do with the RSC transfer money.

[Sparky Marky]

Diouf looks OK, don't know what everyone has seen in him to be so impressed though. A bit of pace and a work ethic? His final ball has been inconsistent so far and he's yet to do anything above average in my mind. Room for optimism and he could turn into a great signing, but I don't think we can put him into the "good signing" category quite yet.

Pace? like a bloody carthorse....doesn't look fully fit to me.

[den]

Pace? like a bloody carthorse....doesn't look fully fit to me.

Hope you're right, because I've been disappointed from what I've seen to date. Diouff is better than this - IMO.

[Eddie]

The damage wasn't done in the summer. In the summer and the first half of the season damage was done that meant this year would be unsuccessful, but it didn't mean that we were condemned to relegation, or even the bottom 5. Since Allardyce has taken charge we've had plenty of winnable games and opportunity to change the squad around.

[SoccerHQ]

Surprised he's getting some stick, he'll keep you up and you'll be fine in upper middle team next season.

[waggy]

we have won one in six,play our best centre forward on the wing,hoof the ball up front,play for dead ball situations,long throws are our speciality,bwfc 2006.lardarse's limitations are showing

[Mozzer]

im not bothered if we arent playing good football-its about results..

i dont know how people can even give sam allardyce stick-hes doing a good job for us-we look a completely better team then the one playing under ince-we actually look like we can defend..

for me, if sam allardyce was in charge from the summer we wouldnt be in this mess..

paul ince created the mess we are in, and we in my opinion have got the manager to get us out of it..

[Amo]

waggy, it's like someone else said, we're back to where we were with Mark Hughes circa 2004. Allardyce has inherited a deflated team that has been poorly invested by the board and previous manager. We don't have the quality to play good football. WBA stick to this principle and they're still rooted to the bottom of the table. That's where we would be if Ince was still here, no doubt. Sam doesn't care about impressing fans or neutrals, he just wants us to scrap as many points as we possibly can.

[roversmum]

There was a period of sublime passing in last night's match, one of the best I've seen but unfortunately the ball was lost as it got towards the goal. Yes, there was a fair bit of hoof-ball, and most certainly not just by Rovers.