[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[gumboots]

Gumboots, you're a teacher, and you posted that?

Not the content, but I'll bet you know what I mean. Your students would not be pleased. I wonder how they would mark you

Typing errors are the bane of my life. I type at about half the speed of my thoughts but try to be quicker and sometimes can't be bothered to go back and correct things. When I need to write correctly, believe me, I do. Similarly with paragraphing and everything else. Free time in school is very limited and sometimes you just need to get things off your chest fast and then get back to the marking of books etc.

[tonyoz]

It shouldn't be a question of why not Allardyce. It should be why Ince? Ince failed, we know that and it was he played a major role in his appointment so needs to be held accountable. I wouldn't get rid of him, but this idea that JW is this irreplaceable figure just isn't right.

I promised myself that I wouldn't be drawn into any more "Why did we appoint Ince?" debates - damn it!

We appointed him because:

We had taken a successful gamble on a young inexperienced manager once before.

He had a short but impressive managerial record at two clubs. (I remember how devastated the MK Dons chairman was when he left.)

He must have performed effectively at interview.................others must have been less impressive. The field wasn't that great either, was it?

In my book, that does not add up to the incredibly stupid and impossible to understand decision that some are implying.

Yes, it all ended in tears but the board took a calculated risk and it didn't come off. It's all sorted now though and I must admit, I like Big Sam much more than I thought I would. He looks and talks like a proper Rovers manager should in my humble opinion. I think it's the honest assessment and the no nonsense approach that fits in so well. Well, I like it anyway. And I just can't see me feeling the same about a Laudrup or a HTC or, heaven forbid, a McLaren.

Now I am off to write out 100 times:

"I must never mention Paul Ince on the message board ever again."

[T4E]

so you also do not believe lardarse turned us down in the summer,after sparky ince's appiontment made sense,up and coming manager.lardarse would have been the safe bet,and with his nouse we would most probably be mid table playing crap football,now we have the excitment off a relagation battle

Atleast that saves me the bother of trying to discredit your logic.

[BuckyRover]

If JW comes out and explains why Allardyce was overlooked in favour of Ince in the Summer then we wont have to debate the reasons, we'll know.

As far as acting decisively to axe Ince - are you kidding? It was atleast 2 games too late.

#Always look on the bright side of life.

Cheer up T4E, you will give yourself an aneurism

[Blackpool_Rover]

Only just noticed this thread and can't be bothered reading it all but from the jist of it....are people actually not happy with allardyce? I don't quite understand that. What the hell do you expect? He is doing a great job, and everyone at the club is working hard...however i wont take much notice because from what i've seen and heard on tv the fans who are in the stadium are 100% behind him and im used to the selection of tools on this board.

T4E..i know where your coming from regarding Williams but i don't fully agree. I think the appointment was an easy one...he had 2 successful spells in lower leagues and it worked last time with Hughes. I do agree that maybe he left it a bit long for a change but he didn't want to be seen as a quick fire club...unless absolutely necessary.

Anyway lets enjoy more fully charged performances from the lads

[broadsword]

What's done is done, it's no good looking back. Unless it's to slag off Ince, 'cos he deserves it.

[Jan]

What's done is done, it's no good looking back. Unless it's to slag off Ince, 'cos he deserves it.

Correct

Anyone with nous knew that comparing Ince and Hughes was like comparing night and day. One was an intelligent, qualified manager who had been working for three years with a national side, and had them playing above themselves. The other was an ill-educated numpty who couldn't string a sentence together and who had had success in the 4th division- the second time by simply throwing money at the problem*.

I knew it wouldn't work, therefore felt no shock when it didn't.

And just LOOK at all the teams falling over themselves to hire him. Hopefully we've heard the last of him- although I'm sure if we have it'll be because of "racism".

*for proof look at how much they've missed their manager and star player in a division above

[T4E]

Correct

Anyone with nous knew that comparing Ince and Hughes was like comparing night and day. One was an intelligent, qualified manager who had been working for three years with a national side, and had them playing above themselves. The other was an ill-educated numpty who couldn't string a sentence together and who had had success in the 4th division- the second time by simply throwing money at the problem*.

I knew it wouldn't work, therefore felt no shock when it didn't.

And just LOOK at all the teams falling over themselves to hire him. Hopefully we've heard the last of him- although I'm sure if we have it'll be because of "racism".

*for proof look at how much they've missed their manager and star player in a division above

Correct Jan - and doesn't it worry you that our chairman couldn't see all of this?

[broadsword]

Correct Jan - and doesn't it worry you that our chairman couldn't see all of this?

Was it not the board's decision as well?

[Hughesy]

Correct

Anyone with nous knew that comparing Ince and Hughes was like comparing night and day.

Which one is which? Which is night and which is day?

[T4E]

Was it not the board's decision as well?

I honestly don't know Bryan. Which is all the more reason why I'd like to know how the decisions were made.

We're looking like we might just manage to dodge the bullet on this occasions. But you have to address the lessons learned. He who does not learn from history, etc.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Anyone else seen this yet:

Soccer AM Bullseye Challenge- Sam vs Dunny

[Atty]

A highly paid professional executive was influenced by a couple of thousand kids on Facebook? That itself needs explaining.

Two bad decisions - appointing Ince, and not sacking him sooner. Sacking Ince was not a "blinding decision" - unless of course you mean that a blind man could have seen it was the only option.

Don't get me wrong, I have no axe to grind with John Williams outside of this situation. Up until this season I have always been a big fan and primarily I remain so. However, Williams this season has shown a propensity for making bad decisions that we havent seen before. As with any person in a senior management position, he should be made to explain how he came to make these decisions so as to appease all involved that lessons have been learned and enable him to carry on with the full confidence of the board and the fans.

Totally agreed.

If we stay up or go down this year John Williams should have to explain his actions in-fact for me he has to either resign or step-down from being the clubs chairman.

He might be good at business side of the club but he has made some terrible errors regarding the football side of the club and should be made to explain his reasons for his decisions or step down.

Any other senior manager at any other company would be made to do the same.

If we get relegated he has to go FACT he would of lost the millions of pounds in lost revenue and the book stops with the chairman

[AggyBlue]

If we stay up or go down this year John Williams should have to explain his actions

Who to?

[den]

Totally agreed.

If we stay up or go down this year John Williams should have to explain his actions in-fact for me he has to either resign or step-down from being the clubs chairman.

He might be good at business side of the club but he has made some terrible errors regarding the football side of the club and should be made to explain his reasons for his decisions or step down.

Any other senior manager at any other company would be made to do the same.

If we get relegated he has to go FACT he would of lost the millions of pounds in lost revenue and the book stops with the chairman

Ridiculous.

What's the average tenure for a manager in the Prem - 2 - 3 years? Are you going to sack the Chairman every time the manager is sacked?

[gumboots]

Ridiculous.

What's the average tenure for a manager in the Prem - 2 - 3 years? Are you going to sack the Chairman every time the manager is sacked?

Well, every time he makes a mistake in an appointment, which amounts to the same thing.

[TimmyJimmy]

Totally agreed.

If we stay up or go down this year John Williams should have to explain his actions in-fact for me he has to either resign or step-down from being the clubs chairman.

He might be good at business side of the club but he has made some terrible errors regarding the football side of the club and should be made to explain his reasons for his decisions or step down.

Any other senior manager at any other company would be made to do the same.

If we get relegated he has to go FACT he would of lost the millions of pounds in lost revenue and the book stops with the chairman

I've read this and the last few pages, what utter b*llocks, when do you get off your high horse holier than thou soapbox. Have you ever made a mistake? If so did you intend to make it? Having made the mistake were you beaten up for it ever single day? There can be no one with BRFC closer to his heart than JW. His (and the board's) choice was a reasonable one. How could anyone (except with hindsight) have known Ince would tun out to be a dud? He had top recommendations from many in football including many whose opinion I respect eg King Kenny. His track record was brilliant and he looked to be the star in the ascendency, why on earth would you not have picked him back then. What was it that you knew then that no one else did. If you're that bl**dy good I suggest you apply when JW gets hounded out then I can take great pleasure in giving you the hard time you give him. Except it would be no real pleasure of course as we'd surely be doomed with you in charge. By the way, I think you'll find it's the 'buck' that stops with him and not the 'book'. FACT.

[4ever&ever]

What a joke, ''JW should step down'', you are having a laugh right?

He made a mistake, he corrected the mistake, end of story. I am very proud to have JW as our chairman, we have been one of the most successful teams outside the top 4 over the past few years and JW was a huge part of that for getting the right manager in Mark Hughes. I've been to places in europe following Rovers were other clubs fans will never see their team play. I've been to cup semi finals in Manchester & Cardiff, we are one of the cheapest teams to watch in the premier league thanks to JW.

[DE.]

Reading some of this is hilarious.

You can't compare a standard business with a football team. Yes, they're both 'business' and both involve cash being gained and lost, but there are so many differing variables in football that comparing JW's job to that of a Senior Executive in a normal business is ridiculous. Not only this, but JW has actually rectified his mistake and appointed a manager who is now taking the team onwards and upwards. As long as we stay up this season he has very little to answer for, as far as I'm concerned.

He took a gamble, it failed, he appears to have corrected it in time. Lessons learned, let's move on. If the same mistake is made again, THEN it may be worth questioning JW. Until then, accept the man made a mistake and has done his best to put it right.

[thenodrog]

Remind me which one of the four or five are actually on about?

Yeah OK!

Credit where it's due though, that finish against Fulham the other night by Jase was right out of the top drawer.

[tonyoz]

Yeah OK!

Credit where it's due though, that finish against Fulham the other night by Jase was right out of the top drawer.

And didn't he let everyone know it? That pic of him celebrating with Spit (BBC) is now my screensaver.

[thenodrog]

I don't think it was just facebook and those who suggest it was are simplifying the situation. there were many fans who would never have joined a facebook campaign who felt that Allardyce was not the manager to move us on from where Hughes left us and therefore welcomed the fact that we appeared to be prepared to look elsewhere. They did not at that time envisage our being in the relegation zone, selling friedel, or any of the other stuations that arose and therefore looked forward to a more exciting appointment. The decision to appoint Ince was greeted with some scepticism but a fairly open mind by many of these people. Perhaps Ince could make the step up. It turned out he couldn't and many of those who had wanted to give him a chance realised very quickly that he was not up to the job and should be replaced. At that stage Allardyce was looked on as a safe pair of hands. In the summer we did not want just a safe pair of hands - we wanted a bit more. JW tried to give us that but was man enough to admit his mistake and sort it. He should have done it sooner, yes, and alarm bells should have been ringing when Friedel left and when Bentley started swinging the lead before his drunken rant but there are often problems with any new regime and i guess if he'd sacked him sooner then we would have suffered even more of a media backlash than we did, which might or might not have mattered. I don't think Mr williams really has anything to explain to fans. If you want him to talk to you about it then do what many have done and write to him for an explanation. He'll probably give you the best he can.

Bloody long drawn out way of saying you were wrong signing facebook and even more ridiculous in cribbing Allardyces appearence and citeing that as a judgement on his ability. Mystifingly you were not alone of course and in fact seemed at one stage to be in the majority as more and more people took complete leave of their senses. I despair to think the kind and direction of thought process this involved.

[gumboots]

Bloody long drawn out way of saying you were wrong signing facebook and even more ridiculous in cribbing Allardyces appearence and citeing that as a judgement on his ability. Mystifingly you were not alone of course and in fact seemed at one stage to be in the majority as more and more people took complete leave of their senses. I despair to think the kind and direction of thought process this involved.

When did I say I signed any facebook petition? If I did then I apologise but I can't remember ever signing anything on facebook. I use it to keep in touch with my kids, all 4 of whom live either abroad or in other parts of the country! And I never said his appearance had anything to do with his ability to manage a football club. If it did I don't think there'd be more than half a dozen managers left in the country. I did say i didn't like his appearance - I still don't. I don't watch or listen to interviews with him most of the time and I find that suits me just fine. He gives interviews for those who want to listen and I have no problems whatsoever with that. At matches i simply sit too far away from the dugout to even be aware of where the manager is, let alone what he looks like and I find it quite easy not to even think about him. I watch the players and support my club and that's it. I doubt people would would find me particularly attractive either if they met me but it doesn't impact on my ability to do my chosen job. To think that would be stupid and I may be many things but not that. However, since I see to irritate you intensely, just leave me on ignore and that will keep your blood presuure down and avoid your having to keep having a go at me for things I'm not aware of having done or said I've done.

[Presty On Tour]

Anyone else seen this yet:

Soccer AM Bullseye Challenge- Sam vs Dunny

The Power must be having sleepless nights!

[Commondore]

Wow, it didn't take long for Allardyce to move from a stupid oaf of a Bolton manager who murdered the beautiful game with his "tactics" to the new football Messiah in some peoples eyes here.

I personally think all this talk of an experienced relegation battle warhorse manager is just a load of bull, what says that a manager with more class and ambition wouldn't have gotten the results (or better) than Allardyce has given us?