[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[47er]

Wow, it didn't take long for Allardyce to move from a stupid oaf of a Bolton manager who murdered the beautiful game with his "tactics" to the new football Messiah in some peoples eyes here.

I personally think all this talk of an experienced relegation battle warhorse manager is just a load of bull, what says that a manager with more class and ambition wouldn't have gotten the results (or better) than Allardyce has given us?

Like who for instance? Why do we need such a person anyway( if he exists), we 're doing fine.

[DE.]

Wow, it didn't take long for Allardyce to move from a stupid oaf of a Bolton manager who murdered the beautiful game with his "tactics" to the new football Messiah in some peoples eyes here.

I personally think all this talk of an experienced relegation battle warhorse manager is just a load of bull, what says that a manager with more class and ambition wouldn't have gotten the results (or better) than Allardyce has given us?

The fact is, whether or not another manager could have got the results, Sam has got the results, and that is all that matters. Anything else is speculation. As far as our perception of Mr. Allardyce, generally that's just how things go. When somebody is the manager of your team you warm to him and find his good points, whilst usually attempting to rationalise the bad. Similarly, in opposition managers and players you'll always look for the worst and try to ignore the good points. Most of here probably dislike Fergie, but I bet if he became our manager he'd have our support in no time. It's perception, it's how football works.

[Majiball]

Football Focus's Interview with Sam.

Sam speaks!

[trueblue]

What a cracking interview.. Sam really does talk sense and tells it how it is.. so refreshing !

[John]

Football Focus's Interview with Sam.

Sam speaks!

Good interview. Pleasant contrast from our previous manager....

[ABBEY]

Wow, it didn't take long for Allardyce to move from a stupid oaf of a Bolton manager who murdered the beautiful game with his "tactics" to the new football Messiah in some peoples eyes here.

I personally think all this talk of an experienced relegation battle warhorse manager is just a load of bull, what says that a manager with more class and ambition wouldn't have gotten the results (or better) than Allardyce has given us?

And if my mum had a willy shed be my dad.

[thenodrog]

Wow, it didn't take long for Allardyce to move from a stupid oaf of a Bolton manager who murdered the beautiful game with his "tactics" to the new football Messiah in some peoples eyes here.

I personally think all this talk of an experienced relegation battle warhorse manager is just a load of bull, what says that a manager with more class and ambition wouldn't have gotten the results (or better) than Allardyce has given us?

More class and ambition?! But for a stupid decision by the gormless bugggers at the FA (only exceeded in stupidity by that made by JW last summer)he should have been the England manager!! Do you ever think before you post?

btw......... Maudlin Street! Very apt. Is Maudlin St inBurnley? By any chance?

[1864roverite]

I think Waggy needs to view that interview.

[Commondore]

More class and ambition?! But for a stupid decision by the gormless bugggers at the FA (only exceeded in stupidity by that made by JW last summer)he should have been the England manager!! Do you ever think before you post?

btw......... Maudlin Street! Very apt. Is Maudlin St inBurnley? By any chance?

No. But if it was, it obviously wouldn't matter since what you think of things immediately change as long as they work for you? A little moral consistency would be nice.

And Allardyce as England manager? They had a tactically aware coach which produced fine results (Eriksson), replaced him with a blood-and-guts manager without a clue (McLaren) and got no results, and then replaced him again with a skillful and deft manager (Capello) who is getting good results. Is there a pattern here somewhere or is it just me...?

[imy9]

No. But if it was, it obviously wouldn't matter since what you think of things immediately change as long as they work for you? A little moral consistency would be nice.

And Allardyce as England manager? They had a tactically aware coach which produced fine results (Eriksson), replaced him with a blood-and-guts manager without a clue (McLaren) and got no results, and then replaced him again with a skillful and deft manager (Capello) who is getting good results. Is there a pattern here somewhere or is it just me...?

McClaren is a tactical coach NOT a blood and guts one, just look at the Dutch league for proof of that, do you not think that Big Sam is a tactically aware coach? He is reknowned as one of the most forward thinking managers around, indeed a number of his disciples are carving managerial careers in the premier league as we speak.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

McClaren is a tactical coach NOT a blood and guts one,

He is not one of those either

[thenodrog]

They had a tactically aware coach which produced fine results (Eriksson),

You are kidding aren't you? SGE thinks tactics are small mints. I'll never forgive his ineptitude and false smile when he tactically froze v 10 man Brazil!

[tony gale's mic]

As much as I'm a fan of Sam as a Rovers manager, there's no doubt that SGE is in a different league. You may talk about Brazil, but we had excellent wins against Germany and Argentina in big games during his reign. We also registered very convincing major tournament wins vs Croatia and Denmark too.

[imy9]

McClaren is a tactical coach NOT a blood and guts one,

He is not one of those either

Maybe you need to watch Dutch football, his team lie second, having spent a pittance and are playing 4-3-3 attacking football, Cryuff has said McClarens team play "total football", his words not mine.

[Commondore]

You are kidding aren't you? SGE thinks tactics are small mints. I'll never forgive his ineptitude and false smile when he tactically froze v 10 man Brazil!

PLEASE get over that one already. England were paying the likes of Nicky Butt, David Seaman and Danny Mills against a Brazil side with Ronaldinho, Rivaldo and Ronaldo who went on to win the tournament.

Still, that's not the point. This, however, is:

I'm happy that we are taking the points we are taking, but I'm not happy with Sam Allardyce, as a person and as a football manager. I think he plays an obsolete, destructive type of football that will get us nowhere in the long run. I think the points we are taking could have been taken by any manager with a clue, and I think they could have been taken in a whole different way than they have been as things stand today.

[Tango]

McClaren is a tactical coach NOT a blood and guts one,

Maybe you need to watch Dutch football, his team lie second, having spent a pittance and are playing 4-3-3 attacking football, Cryuff has said McClarens team play "total football", his words not mine.

Am completely with you imy9, McClaren has some tactical ability but a lack of man-management or transfer skills. In Holland, without the pressure of the British media, he has done a good job with an average squad, akin to what he did at Middlesbrough. In many ways he's like Benitez - can set out a side to beat the big teams, but struggles to put out a side that can win week-in, week-out.

He should never have been given the England job as he had neither the respect nor motivational skills to achieve great things with that side, but who wouldn't have jumped at that opportunity as presented by the FA? They are as much to blame, if not more so than McClaren.

[waynerovers]

No. But if it was, it obviously wouldn't matter since what you think of things immediately change as long as they work for you? A little moral consistency would be nice.

And Allardyce as England manager? They had a tactically aware coach which produced fine results (Eriksson), replaced him with a blood-and-guts manager without a clue (McLaren) and got no results, and then replaced him again with a skillful and deft manager (Capello) who is getting good results. Is there a pattern here somewhere or is it just me...?

i may be reaching here but is maudlin street a vague reference to morrissey's late night on maudlin street?

[thenodrog]

PLEASE get over that one already. England were paying the likes of Nicky Butt, David Seaman and Danny Mills against a Brazil side with Ronaldinho, Rivaldo and Ronaldo who went on to win the tournament.

Still, that's not the point. This, however, is:

I'm happy that we are taking the points we are taking, but I'm not happy with Sam Allardyce, as a person and as a football manager. I think he plays an obsolete, destructive type of football that will get us nowhere in the long run. I think the points we are taking could have been taken by any manager with a clue, and I think they could have been taken in a whole different way than they have been as things stand today.

Danny Mills had a cracking WC btw.

BUT 2nd half 2-1 down and we didn't have one shot on target in the entire 45 mins after Ronaldinho had been sent off and Ronaldo had been taken off.... and that IS the point!

You don't like Allardyce thats obvious so please let us know who would be your choice as manager who would have come to BRFC and without any compensation to pay.. Off you go....

[47er]

PLEASE get over that one already. England were paying the likes of Nicky Butt, David Seaman and Danny Mills against a Brazil side with Ronaldinho, Rivaldo and Ronaldo who went on to win the tournament.

Still, that's not the point. This, however, is:

I'm happy that we are taking the points we are taking, but I'm not happy with Sam Allardyce, as a person and as a football manager. I think he plays an obsolete, destructive type of football that will get us nowhere in the long run. I think the points we are taking could have been taken by any manager with a clue, and I think they could have been taken in a whole different way than they have been as things stand today.

Well he took Bolton to top half status in the long-run did he not? Who else could have done that? He is a manager with a clue and we should be delighted we have got him. He needs 2 or 3 years now to renew a tired and inadequate squad. Can he count on your support? guess not.

[thenodrog]

Can he count on your support? guess not.

I'm sure that Owen Coyle can!

[broadsword]

If Mcclown was a tactical coach, how comes that Russia ran rings round us, and he didn't change anything about the team, just stood there forlornly with his brolly being out-thought.

How comes he spent a fortune at Middlesbrough and they were still pony?

he might be a "tactical coach", but his tactics are total bobbins.

[rover6]

I guess, you can be the world's greatest tactical thinker but if you can't communicate those tactics intelligibly and eloquently to a bunch of wooly-brained footballers, you going to be a failure of a manager.

So even if McCLaren had some tactics knocking around in his head (which I doubt) he couldn't make any use of them because his personality lends well to insomniacs but not hapless footballers who need a good figurative head-bludgeoning to get them psyched for a match.

[Commondore]

I'm sure that Owen Coyle can!

But that doesn't matter now, does it? Since obviously everything a person stands for and does change into something positive if it works in your direction. You would probably kiss Owen Coyle's, Robbie Blake's and all of Burnley's away supports shoes with a slight change of circumstances.

To answer your earlier question; I am not the Blackburn Rovers board of directors, I am not the Blackburn Rovers scouting network and I am not Blackburn Rovers contacts throughout the footballing world. I do not know what other managers was unemployed and interested to go to Blackburn at the time of Ince's sacking. If it would interest anyone (drog?) I can give a list of names of realistic choices who I would rather see coaching Blackburn than Sam Allardyce.

To answer the question of my support of Sam Allardyce; No, it doesn't exist. I do support Blackburn Rovers Football Club tough, which is bigger than any player, chairman or manager (especially Sam Allardyce). If Allardyce change his ways and leads us forward I will be most happy to change my mind, but not until then.

[Guest Kamy100]

Sam was on "goals on sunday" this morning.

He talked a lot of sense and it is clear that player performances are analysed heavily through Pro Zone etc. and he said a couple of times that most Premier League games are won from set plays (he gave a percentage which I have forgot now), he said that they had managed to get the players more organised defensively and hoped that we could pull away from trouble as he felt we were a team on the "up".

[thenodrog]

To answer your earlier question; I am not the Blackburn Rovers board of directors, I am not the Blackburn Rovers scouting network and I am not Blackburn Rovers contacts throughout the footballing world. I do not know what other managers was unemployed and interested to go to Blackburn at the time of Ince's sacking. If it would interest anyone (drog?) I can give a list of names of realistic choices who I would rather see coaching Blackburn than Sam Allardyce.

Until you do provide your list you have not answered my question. So off you go commondore lets see it.