[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[Amo]

Come on waggy, the person asked you a question. You said we could do "so much better" than Allardyce, so let's hear it? The fact the guy has us sitting 15th proves he's improved the team. So please provide an answer, because the trolling is becoming very predictable now.

What kind of football are you expecting with such a limited squad? Ince sold our most creative player and never replaced him. He adopted the WBA style of football: tap it about but let the opposition walk all over you. I don't really care if Sam has us playing ugly football, because he's doing the best with the players he has at his disposal.

[LeChuck]

The Arsenal game aside, I don't think the football's been any worse than it was under Hughes anyway, so I don't really see what the big problem is on that front.

I think we showed against Man Utd how Allardyce would like us to be set up against the big teams when the majority of our squad is available, Saturday was a 'needs must' selection because our midfielders can't keep themselves fit.

[Amo]

Not to mention in the past we've had the luxury of playing a full-strength team against Arsenal. But with safety hanging in the balance, and so many key players getting crocked, it's understandable that Sam threw a makeshift side to the lions.

If we have to lose one battle to win the war, then so be it.

[Billy Castell]

Come on Waggy, who would you have when Ince left? BFS has a certain style that is not to everyone's taste, but who are you suggesting would be a better choice at the time we had to (and did) get rid of Ince?

[BRFC1995]

right we have changed the messageboard rules,poor ince was slaughtered from week one,lardarse makes a complete balls up and its ok

do you disagree with the following.............we were a shambles under ince and would be below wba now with him in charge? i'd imagime that only wind up merchants and winterburn would disagree

[Commondore]

laughable.. i thought managers, in general plays to win, and tries to improve their team.

as i imagined, your reply wouldnt and didnt make much sense. But thanks for trying

Please don't stoop to semantics. You know very well that I don't mean that Sam Allardyce would have no interest in winning games. That he does, but improve his team? He has his formula on and off the pitch and sticks to it until he sinks with the ship. He is not improving teams, he builds them on sand and keep slapping on cement to replace the sinking foundations. I'm quite sure that he would have had the same luck with Bolton as Sammy Lee and Gary Megson has had recently, you can only go so long with Allardyces formula and then the only way is down.

[imy9]

Please don't stoop to semantics. You know very well that I don't mean that Sam Allardyce would have no interest in winning games. That he does, but improve his team? He has his formula on and off the pitch and sticks to it until he sinks with the ship. He is not improving teams, he builds them on sand and keep slapping on cement to replace the sinking foundations. I'm quite sure that he would have had the same luck with Bolton as Sammy Lee and Gary Megson has had recently, you can only go so long with Allardyces formula and then the only way is down.

Lets look at the FACTS:

1. Big Sam took Bolton Wanderers when they were BOTTOM in October 1999 and took them to the playoffs in season 1.

2. One year later he took them to the Premier league.

3. 2003-4, Bolton finished 8th and final of the CArling Cup.

4. 2004-5. finished 6th and qualified for Europe for the first time.

5. 2005-6, finished 8th- thats THREE top 10 finishes in a row.

6. 2006-7 he left Bolton in FIFTH place in touching distance of a champions league spot.

He bought Jay Jay, Campo, Anelka, Diouf etc to Bolton, world reknowned stars.

Now please explain where is the lack of progress? How has he dragged the team down? Your words are nonsensical, Sammy Lee and Megson? When they do what Sam has done with the budget he had then lets talk, remember Megson spent £11 million on Elmander... who and what has he done again?

Have a look at the Premier league and you will find two of Big Sam's assistants in charge of clubs, only Sir Alex can better this record, Sam is also a pioneer in the field of Sports science, if he was Portuguese going by the name of Mourinho we would be raving about him (Before you ask I saw little difference with the 'style' of play from both teams but they won)

[Hughesy]

Allardyce Formula?

Not improving his teams? Like Anelka wasnt an improvement to bolton?

Is that the same formula that got an arguably weaker team than ours promotion - twice, to the cup final, 6th in the league, then got them into Europe one season and then progressed to the knock-outs the season after, whilst still maintaining an 8th place before he quit.

As for Ince - IF we still had him then I honestly believe we would be at least 3 points behind West Brom. We wouldnt of won at Fulham or Hull or beat Stoke and Newcastle and we wouldnt of picked anything up against Bolton. WE WERE doomed with him in charge - Allardyce has given us hope.

[cn_barlow]

not at all,i just love it when lardarse coocks up,because the guys football is total crap

Boring boring Waggy!

Boring boring Waggy!

Give it a rest will you for gods sake...

[imy9]

not at all,i just love it when lardarse coocks up,because the guys football is total crap

But you do realise that when he "coocks up" as you put it, then it means Rovers have "coocked" up, as a Rovers supporter surely that pains you rather than making you happy?

[Fife Rover]

for the upteenth time i do not like lardarse,but i do not want the rovers to go down,lardarse has a very special way off playing football,which i will never watch live,we could do sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better than him

So you didn't watch the Fulham game then Waggy? Or the Everton one? Or the Man. U at OT one either? Or the Hull away one? Shall I go on? If you watched even one of those games Waggy, how can you say you did not see any decent football?

[47er]

So you didn't watch the Fulham game then Waggy? Or the Everton one? Or the Man. U at OT one either? Or the Hull away one? Shall I go on? If you watched even one of those games Waggy, how can you say you did not see any decent football?

He only watches them on TV through a beer glass and everytime we do something good he buries his head in his hands.

[rover6]

He bought Jay Jay, Campo, Anelka, Diouf etc to Bolton, world reknowned stars.

Allardyce's dabble in the emiritus market is over-rated. Okay, so he was something of a mould-breaker in terms of welcoming ageing foreign faded stars and making use of them in his side. (Boro have done it for yonks but with no good effect).

I would really like to know from a Bolton fan (objective and honest, preferably) how much Okocha was performing wizardry with his passing range and skills for Bolton - and how much he was pumping in long balls, long throws, set-pieces into the box, aiming from the disturbingly big head of Kevin Davies. Same for Campo.

I am biased when I say this, and not fully informed, but I suspect that Okocha was hoofing the ball (in his own delightful way) much more often than performing crowd-pleasing skill.

Using skilful players to play hoofball is not the work of a great manager. It is just one step up from the Egil Olsson school of using skill-less cloggers to play hoofball - and no-one was calling that great management.

[thenodrog]

For your pleasure mr Drog.

Chris Coleman

Steve Coppell

Alan Curbishley

Didier Deschamps

Gerard Houllier

Roberto Mancini

Roberto Martinez

Henk Ten Cate

Fatih Terim

John Toshack

You've forgotten Pardew and Tony Adams.

right we have changed the messageboard rules,poor ince was slaughtered from week one,lardarse makes a complete balls up and its ok

Yeah it's odd that 99% have got it wrong waggy.

for the upteenth time i do not like lardarse,but i do not want the rovers to go down,lardarse has a very special way off playing football,which i will never watch live,we could do sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better than him

I'm sure that your points about Allardyce would be far better received on here if you hadn't kept declaring your undying love for Paul Ince all autumn.

[Amo]

I am biased when I say this, and not fully informed, but I suspect that Okocha was hoofing the ball (in his own delightful way) much more often than performing crowd-pleasing skill.

So you're just guessing, in other words?

Some people just aren't going to give Sam any credit. He takes a lowly Northern club, revitalizes former stars, and gets said minnows punching above their weight; yet obviously it was all thud and no think, and Sam was merely lucky in picking up a few has-beens on the cheap.

[broadsword]

Well, good old Bobby Robson likes Sam so that will do for me.

[John]

Well, good old Bobby Robson likes Sam so that will do for me.

Not a coincidence that most managers and opposition fans genuinely feel Sam will keep us up this season. That is the only priority for us, to stay up. I find it strange that some people still have a go at him (and don't rate him).

He has got us well organised and playing as a team. Also shown he has an eye in the transfer market (Givet), strong management (keeping Santa), and overall he has done well.

[Commondore]

Lets look at the FACTS:

1. Big Sam took Bolton Wanderers when they were BOTTOM in October 1999 and took them to the playoffs in season 1.

2. One year later he took them to the Premier league.

3. 2003-4, Bolton finished 8th and final of the CArling Cup.

4. 2004-5. finished 6th and qualified for Europe for the first time.

5. 2005-6, finished 8th- thats THREE top 10 finishes in a row.

6. 2006-7 he left Bolton in FIFTH place in touching distance of a champions league spot.

He bought Jay Jay, Campo, Anelka, Diouf etc to Bolton, world reknowned stars.

Now please explain where is the lack of progress? How has he dragged the team down? Your words are nonsensical, Sammy Lee and Megson? When they do what Sam has done with the budget he had then lets talk, remember Megson spent £11 million on Elmander... who and what has he done again?

Have a look at the Premier league and you will find two of Big Sam's assistants in charge of clubs, only Sir Alex can better this record, Sam is also a pioneer in the field of Sports science, if he was Portuguese going by the name of Mourinho we would be raving about him (Before you ask I saw little difference with the 'style' of play from both teams but they won)

The record with Bolton is impressive, but could he have went further? Or kept them in the top 10 i he had stayed instead of leaving for Newcastle (I'm getting to that...)? Or was the fall down the table inevitable with Bolton's player development and continuity being completely ripped apart for several years?

About the transfers; Ivan Campo and Diouf weren't/aren't exactly world renowned stars. Okocha was rotting in the Bolton reserves until Allardyce was forced to play him due to injuries. And for every one of those buys there are at least two Idan Tals or Matt Jansens.

Also, his almost godlike powers in the transfer market seemed to completely disappear at Newcastle (where he really did a splendid job overall...). Geremi? Alan Smith? Mark Viduka?

And a pioneer in the field of football science? You mean by using Egil Olsens 15 year old ideas of goals being scored on set-pieces and counters/hoofing? Or how he defended Newcastle's 0 -1 loss at Derby by providing OPTA stats that his team won the possession by moving the ball back and forth in the defensive line?

You've forgotten Pardew and Tony Adams.

No I haven't. I wouldn't want Tony Adams to manage Blackburn Rovers since he seems about as skillful as Paul Ince, and Pardew... That's a tough one actually.

[Hughesy]

But you would want Chris Coleman as manager? Seriously enough said on that one!

Geremi?? OMG a player like Geremi or someone like Vogel or Grella? No contest!

[neekoy]

About the transfers; Ivan Campo and Diouf weren't/aren't exactly world renowned stars.

Well they had just left two of the biggest clubs in the world to join Bolton, seems like a bit of a coup. You seemed to have left out the signing of Anelka as well.

He also signed, whilst ageing yes, quality players who were proven performers and whilst they were probably one or two year past Premier League quality showed his ability to attract name players to a small club.

If anyone could top or equal Mark Hughes for his cost/benefit ratio in purchasing players BFS is certainly the man.

[Napoleon]

I don't believe how anyone can be against Allardyce after the improvements he has made. We actually look like a team now, a team who can avoid relegation. Before that we were a total shambles who were going down for sure.

As for his style of football, I think we all know how the biased media gave us the wrong reputation as bully boys under Hughes which still remains with us today to an extent. I think Allardyce and Bolton were similarly unfairly represented.

[Hughesy]

It makes me laugh - we get labelled because of our manager - who apparently plays long ball football.

Did nobody else see Torres 1st goal for Liverpool and the 4th by Dosser? Why did they not get called for the same tactics?

The big teams play long raking balls each week but dont get picked on - screw the media!

[waggy]

Come on Waggy, who would you have when Ince left? BFS has a certain style that is not to everyone's taste, but who are you suggesting would be a better choice at the time we had to (and did) get rid of Ince?

SVEN for 1

[gazsimm]

SVEN for 1

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cmon you are winding us up, just own up to it. Sven would of not got us out of the relegation zone unlike sam has, he did an allright job at City but he had money to spend. Anyway i am sure Sven had and still has a job managing Mexico does he not?

[den]

SVEN for 1

£46m spent, and sacked after one season? The team he left had won 4 of their last 15 games and lost to Middlesbrough 8-0 on the last day of the season.